Mary "full of grace"

[copland]

I do want to make a correction concerning my last post. My mouth out ran my brain. “Full of grace” is in Luke not Matthew. I gave an explanation from the Aramaic Peshitta as if I was quoting from Matthew, sorry! Though I do stand by the rest of the post I posted.

 

[Thal59]

Protestants are funny people. For instance, they insist that the root of Kecharitomene is the Greek word charitoo, not charis.

While one may argue this, most concordances I have seen explain charitoo as …to grace, gift, or favor. But if one follows the traditional rule as it also applies to dictionaries; that the defining words are given in order of their best validity, then to favor is the third best choice.

But even so, Protestants will not render the expression as Hail, perfectly favoured one. I suppose this is because if they did, then it would strengthen the Catholic practice of asking Mary in our prayers to pray with/for us as she has perfect favor before the Father. So, they reduce the perfect prefix of Ke- to the lesser expression, highly; Hail, highly favoured. So their translation fails on two parts.

I usually tell people that a good way to render Kecharitomene in English would be… Hail, perfectly graced, gifted and favored one.
But that pads out the single Greek word with too many English words.

Lo, and behold… Hail, full of grace gets the job done nicely.

Now why didn’t I think of that?

Thal59

 

[big_guy144]

“Woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! for ye pay tithe of mint and anise and commin, and have omitted the weightier matters of the law, judgment, mercy, and faith: these ought ye to have done, and not to leave the other undone. Ye blind guides, which strain at a gnat, and swallow a camel,” Matthew 23:23-24.

“He that believeth on the Son hath everlasting life: and he that believeth not the Son shall not see life; but the wrath of God abideth on him,” John 3:36.

In the words of the “pope” Peter when asked “What shall we do? Then Peter said unto them, Repent and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins, and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost,” Acts 2:38.

“I came not to call the righteous, but sinners to repentance.” Luke 5:32

 

[Axion]

Mickey:

Axion,

This is a superb post. Can I have your permission to use it if need be on other threads?

You’re welcome.

 

[Thal59]

“Woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! for ye pay tithe of mint and anise and commin, and have omitted the weightier matters of the law, judgment, mercy, and faith: these ought ye to have done, and not to leave the other undone. Ye blind guides, which strain at a gnat, and swallow a camel,” Matthew 23:23-24.

“He that believeth on the Son hath everlasting life: and he that believeth not the Son shall not see life; but the wrath of God abideth on him,” John 3:36.

In the words of the “pope” Peter when asked “What shall we do? Then Peter said unto them, Repent and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins, and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost,” Acts 2:38.

“I came not to call the righteous, but sinners to repentance.” Luke 5:32

Just out of curiosity, what does all of this have to do with the subject matter of this thread?

Thal59

 

[Thal59]

Never mind, Big Guy, I just noticed your “Christian” religion selection. Your reply sounded terribly familiar to the typical Protestant blind-side shot at a discussion that has nothing to do with what is being talked about.

Believe me, I am not trying to be offensive and you are certainly welcome here. It’s just that your post was so totally pointless to the discussion that I was wondering what you were doing.

If you have legitimate questions, please feel free to ask them. If, however, you are only going to interrupt threads with sermons, don’t be surprised if you don’t get much attention in the future.

Thal59