Mary...Full of Grace?

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Whats everyones opinion on the blessed virgin? haha

if you don’t think she was free from sin whats your evidence in scripture and vice versa 🙂
 
In the Magnificat, Mary says “my soul doth magnify the Lord; my spirit rejoices in God my savior.” If Mary was free from sin, why did she need a savior?
 
Whats everyones opinion on the blessed virgin? haha

if you don’t think she was free from sin whats your evidence in scripture and vice versa 🙂
Your profile lists you as ‘Catholic’, but you start with ‘blessed virgin? ha ha’ … Are you Catholic? If so, why would you use a ‘ha ha’ after the mention of the Blessed Virgin? :confused:

As for your question:

I think she is free from sin. Why would God, Our Father, who would have His only begotten Son to walk the earth, put Him into anything that is not clean, and free from sin? 😊

That alone is enough for me.👍

What more do you need?
 
Whats everyones opinion on the blessed virgin? haha

if you don’t think she was free from sin whats your evidence in scripture and vice versa 🙂
I’m not sure I’m understanding your question correctly… 🤷

Why would we, as Catholics, not believe the dogma of Mary’s Immaculate Conception and continued holiness through out her life?
 
In the Magnificat, Mary says “my soul doth magnify the Lord; my spirit rejoices in God my savior.” If Mary was free from sin, why did she need a savior?
Mary was preserved from sin by the sacrifice of Our Lord who employed the graces merited for us by Him on the Cross. Christ as God is not bound by time. Mary was simply saved in a more perfect manner than we are ourselves.
 
Flatty10, I’m not sure if you’re questioning Mary being Immaculately conceived or if you’re questioning her perpetual virginity as well?

In the Bible Mary is addressed by the angel Gabriel as being the “favored one” (Luke 1.28). Likewise she is referred to as “blessed among women” by Elizabeth (Luke 1.42). During the annunciation Mary herself is shocked by Gabriel’s message that she will bear a son because she is a virgin (Luke 1.34). Her greeting to Elizabeth sanctifies John the Baptist in his mother’s womb as well (Luke 1.44), which is a further indication of her blessed state. In Matthew’s gospel Joseph is also told that Mary, though pregnant, is a virgin (Matthew 1.20).

It would have been much easier for the early Christians to simply have said Mary had normal relations with her husband Joseph and conceived a child who God then sanctified than it was for them to insist on the virgin birth. For example, John the Baptist’s birth was a holy birth, influenced by God, yet he was still born the way all of us are. Yet in his lifetime some thought he was the Messiah despite this fact. So it’s not as if the early Christians couldn’t have convinced people that Jesus was the Messiah unless it involved a virgin birth. But from the start Christianity insisted on Mary’s virginity and her Blessedness. If this wasn’t something these folks truly believed in and felt to be essential to their faith then I doubt they’d have stuck to such an incredible claim as the virgin birth.

Likewise there are gnostic gospels from the early life of Christiantiy that further attest to Mary’s blessed state, from her being born without sin to her being a virgin all her life. The one I am thinking of in particular is the Protoevangelium of James (also called the Infancy Gospel of James), which dates to around 150 AD. Now I know the gnostic gospels are not cannon, but I mention them to illustrate that this belief was common among Christians from the very beginning.

And to make two further points:

Mankind was orignally made without sin. Adam and Eve were both without sin until they gave in to temptation. Now whether you take the Genesis story literally or figuratively I believe one message in that story is clear: mankind originally came into being through God without sin. So if you can believe that mankind began without sin, then how hard is it to believe that God could yet again create a being (Mary) without sin?

I also agree with Apryl regarding Mary needing to be a “pure vessel”, so to speak, in order to carry the Incarnation in her womb.

In the end I suppose none of this will convince you if you are not open to the possibility of it all being true. However, if you are Christian then you must believe in many things that are hard for many to believe in. The Resurrection for starters. Not to mention things like: Jesus walking on water, Jesus turning water into wine, Jesus healing people with a touch, Jesus raising people from the dead, etc. And even his disciples (who were certainly not born without sin) were able to perfom many miracles which would be hard for the skeptic to believe in.
 
lol yeah i probably didn’t ask the question very well, i am catholic yes. The “haha” was definitely not intended to be laughing at the fact that people think she is lol. i agree she is.

Just wanted everyones opinion if she was in fact free from all sin so the immaculate conception. and where in scripture do we get this belief from

I also used the phrase blessed virgin just as phrase so don’t worry too much into that part

thanks:thumbsup:
 
Just wanted everyones opinion if she was in fact free from all sin so the immaculate conception. and where in scripture do we get this belief from
For what it’s worth (I hope this was clear from the comments above), for Catholics the Immaculate Conception is not a matter of opinion, in the same way that the Trinity, the Real Presence of Christ in the Eucharist, and the contents of the Nicene Creed are not matters of opinion. This is not an issue on which we can weigh the evidence in Scripture or history for ourselves and make up our own minds. The Church has infallibly taught the truth on the issue of the Immaculate Conception, and although it can be interesting to see how it is described in Scripture or explore what the implications of the doctrine may be, we cannot just come up with and believe our own conclusions. It’s like asking, “just wanted your opinions on the trinity if it is in fact three persons in one god. and where in scripture do we get this belief from.” It’s an interesting Scriptural exercise, but we don’t really get to have “opinions” on the Trinity.
 
LOL yeah i entirely agree with you, im not disputing my opinion or even questioning the catholic church, i merely wanted to hear from non-catholics, what their belief is regarding the matter and where in scripture it says.
 
LOL yeah i entirely agree with you, im not disputing my opinion or even questioning the catholic church, i merely wanted to hear from non-catholics, what their belief is regarding the matter and where in scripture it says.
Then this thread would have been better suited for the Non-Catholic Religions section.
 
who is that Savior, by the way? If that was Jesus, she should have said ‘In God who will be my Savior’.

catholic.com/thisrock/2001/0102sbs.asp --this should have answered the question of the OP:cool:
Christ has always been God. It’s just that He was incarnate during those 33 years he walked the earth.

He is the Second Person of the Trinity… but he’s always been God.

Mary said just what she should have said. 🙂
 
I think it’s important to remember that long before Jesus came to live among us the Jewish people regularly thought of, and referred to, God as their savior. So Mary saying “my spirit rejoices in God my savior” would make perfect sense even before Christ came to save the world.

Though I also do agree again with Apryl that God is not bound by time.
Christ has always been God. It’s just that He was incarnate during those 33 years he walked the earth.

He is the Second Person of the Trinity… but he’s always been God.

Mary said just what she should have said. 🙂
So whether or not at that point Mary was fully aware of exactly what her Son was going to do in his earthly life doesn’t really matter because: 1) God has always been considered the savior by the Jews (He saved Noah from the flood, he saved Joseph the Patriarch, he saved the Jews from their Egyptian oppressors, etc., etc., etc.) and 2) Jesus, being God, has always been the Savior of humanity.
 
Whats everyones opinion on the blessed virgin? haha

if you don’t think she was free from sin whats your evidence in scripture and vice versa 🙂
The following was taken from this page of the Catholic Encyclopedia:
Scripture and tradition agree in ascribing to Mary the greatest personal sanctity; She is conceived without the stain of original sin; she shows the greatest humility and patience in her daily life (Luke 1:38, 48); she exhibits an heroic patience under the most trying circumstances (Luke 2:7, 35, 48; John 19:25-27).
As for midwestbeliever’s comment:
In the Magnificat, Mary says “my soul doth magnify the Lord; my spirit rejoices in God my savior.” If Mary was free from sin, why did she need a savior?
From the same page in the Catholic Encyclopedia:
Theologians assert that Mary was impeccable, not by the essential perfection of her nature, but by a special Divine privilege.
Being fully human, Mary still needed to be “saved”, she just got saved much earlier than anybody else. Otherwise, she would have been born with original sin like the rest of us.
 
Mary was born in the fires of human love in the normal way. God, who is not contstrained by time, all is present for Him, anticipated the death of Jesus on the cross and applied the merits of His death to Mary. Mary was saved by the death of Jesus in a special and marvelous way. Scriptural evidence can be found in the very words of the angel, “Hail full of grace…” The angel was not delivering grace to Mary, he was recognizing it was there BEFORE the earthly birth and death of Jesus. This Immaculate Conception was a special gift from God.
 
In the Magnificat, Mary says “my soul doth magnify the Lord; my spirit rejoices in God my savior.” If Mary was free from sin, why did she need a savior?
Mary needed a savior because she was human. She received redemption in a very special way from God the Father based on the “future” (as we see it) merits of God the Son. She was saved from sin in the same way as if I pointed out a pit to you before you fell into it. Please remember that God is not affected by time and space considerations. We see past, present, and future. God sees all of that now.

Do not be afraid of Mary’s Immaculate Conception. It was a wonderful gift extended to her by God.
 
Read the Bible. Everything you want to know is in there.
Yeah, if you’re a Catholic…not really. The Immaculate Conception is not in the Bible, nor is the Assumption (I have the name right, don’t I? The raising of Mary bodily into Heaven?). They’re part of Catholic tradition. In fact, I’m pretty sure the Assumption was one of the few dogmas proclaimed infallible by a Pope.

Quick question about Our Lady: Obviously she is a Saint, since a Saint is somebody in Heaven. Why do we never call her St. Mary? I’ve heard a TON of different names and titles, including Queen of Saints, but never simply St. Mary of Nazareth. Why not?
 
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