Mary gave birth to glorified Jesus?

[Henning]

This might sound like an odd question but…

I know Mary gave birth to Jesus in the natural, but does the CC claim that Mary gave birth to the form and substance of Jesus’ glorified body too??, ie, did she give birth to what John sees in Rev 1:13-17,

“…one like unto the Son of man…his **head **and his **hairs **were white like wool, as white as snow; and his **eyes **were as a flame of fire; And his **feet **like unto fine brass, as if they burned in a furnace; and his **voice **as the sound of many waters…and out of his **mouth **went a sharp twoedged sword: and his **countenance **was as the sun shineth in his strength…And he laid his right hand upon me, saying unto me, Fear not; I am the first and the last.”

If not, then who created Jesus’ glorified body? Jesus Himself or the Father? Or has His glorified ‘spiritual body’ (1 Cor 15:44) somehow always been (John 17:5)…or?
Any help appreciated, H.

 

[Nickkname]

This might sound like an odd question but…

I know Mary gave birth to Jesus in the natural, but does the CC claim that Mary gave birth to the form and substance of Jesus’ glorified body too??, ie, did she give birth to what John sees in Rev 1:13-17,

“…one like unto the Son of man…his **head **and his **hairs **were white like wool, as white as snow; and his **eyes **were as a flame of fire; And his **feet **like unto fine brass, as if they burned in a furnace; and his **voice **as the sound of many waters…and out of his **mouth **went a sharp twoedged sword: and his **countenance **was as the sun shineth in his strength…And he laid his right hand upon me, saying unto me, Fear not; I am the first and the last.”

If not, then who created Jesus’ glorified body? Jesus Himself or the Father? Or has His glorified ‘spiritual body’ (1 Cor 15:44) somehow always been (John 17:5)…or?
Any help appreciated, H.

1. Jesus was glorified bodily in His Resurrection. It is the work of the whole Holy Trinity.
2. The description you gave is symbolic, not an actual description of Jesus risen from the dead.
3. Jesus was like us in all ways save sin. He did not come like a pagan god but humbled Himself, coming as a baby comes into the world: Naked, vulnerable, and crying from the cold.

 

[Alethiaphile]

If not, then who created Jesus’ glorified body? Jesus Himself or the Father? H.

You’re forgetting thre Third Person of the Trinity, the Holy Spirit. Christ, as the Firstborn of the New Creation, was glorified by being completely, irrevocably filled with the Holy Spirit. The Resurrection was more a result of this Glorification than a cause.

Or has His glorified ‘spiritual body’ (1 Cor 15:44) somehow always been (John 17:5)…or?

In a sense, I think that’s true. For God, the end state of things is in a sense what has always been.

 

[Todd_Easton]

Yes and no. Jesus’ mortal body and his glorified body are the same but different. When he resurrected, Jesus’ mortal body was transformed into his glorified body, something like when a caterpillar transforms into a butterfly.

 

[rocketrob]

I think the Catechism is pretty clear that Jesus, while mysteriously maintaining His divine nature, took on human nature:

CCC 461
Taking up St. John’s expression, "The Word became flesh,"the Church calls “Incarnation” the fact that the Son of God assumed a human nature in order to accomplish our salvation in it. In a hymn cited by St. Paul, the Church sings the mystery of the Incarnation:

Have this mind among yourselves, which is yours in Christ Jesus, who, though he was in the form of God, did not count equality with God a thing to be grasped, but emptied himself, taking the form of a servant, being born in the likeness of men. And being found in human form he humbled himself and became obedient unto death, even death on a cross.

Later, at His resurrection, Jesus’ human body was transformed into its glorified body:

CCC 645
By means of touch and the sharing of a meal, the risen Jesus establishes direct contact with his disciples. He invites them in this way to recognize that he is not a ghost and above all to verify that the risen body in which he appears to them is the same body that had been tortured and crucified, for it still bears the traces of his passion. Yet at the same time this authentic, real body possesses the new properties of a glorious body: not limited by space and time but able to be present how and when he wills; for Christ’s humanity can no longer be confined to earth and belongs henceforth only to the Father’s divine realm. For this reason too the risen Jesus enjoys the sovereign freedom of appearing as he wishes: in the guise of a gardener or in other forms familiar to his disciples, precisely to awaken their faith.

This thing to remember is that Jesus is the ultimate model for all of us. What happened to His body can one day happen for ours!

CCC 658
Christ, “the first-born from the dead” (Col 1:18), is the principle of our own resurrection, even now by the justification of our souls (cf. Rom 6:4), and one day by the new life he will impart to our bodies (cf. Rom 8:11).

I encourage everyone to go to these areas of the Catechism and read the surrounding paragraphs for themselves.

rocketrob