Mary "getting together" with other women?

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I’m sure Mary “got together with” other women where she lived, and they would have been wives and mothers themselves, and been her friends, just like any woman of today would have her girlfriends. Of course, I know they didn’t refer to them as “girlfriends” in ancient times, but I got to wondering…Where would Mary have gotten together with other women, just to visit and talk? What would they have done together? In those days, no one “met for brunch or coffee”, and there were no little church ladies committees, so I’m a little blank on how and where exactly these opportunities would have come up? Asking this, because I’m writing little stories of her. Thanks:)
 
Most likely, Mary would have spoken with other women while doing regular, household chores. Most chores (like washing clothes, etc) were done outside. The homes were typically close together.

I’m sure she would have also spoken to people on the way to temple, in the market, etc.
 
I imagine they talked about their husbands and children and mended clothes. Maybe they
prayed together and gave each other advice on raising children and recipes.
 
The home was a centre of hospitality. I am sure she would have invited them home for a drink and a whinge about the kids… Mary would have been a very silent hostess on those occasions.LOL
 
im sure she did i mean look at modern women most of us crave other womens company im sure she enjoyed talking and socializing with other women, now im sure her time in egypt was hard on her being a foreigner and all but shes our lady shes compassionate and involved in our lives now im sure she was the same during her earhtly life.
 
I’m sure Mary “got together with” other women where she lived, and they would have been wives and mothers themselves, and been her friends, just like any woman of today would have her girlfriends. Of course, I know they didn’t refer to them as “girlfriends” in ancient times, but I got to wondering…Where would Mary have gotten together with other women, just to visit and talk? What would they have done together? In those days, no one “met for brunch or coffee”, and there were no little church ladies committees, so I’m a little blank on how and where exactly these opportunities would have come up? Asking this, because I’m writing little stories of her. Thanks:)
I’m not entirely sure that such a thing wouldn’t be the case. Pompeii, for example, had fast food joints where the restaurant would be cooking food in front of customers, who would buy the food and then go on their way. Humans aren’t much different today than they were 20,000 years ago much less 2000. They wouldn’t have gotten coffee and brunch, but it’s not a stretch to believe that they would have gone to get lunch together or go look around at the market. Eating has, for most all of human history, been a social event. One could argue that God intended it to be that way. The Bible talks about the Heavenly banquet trope pretty frequently, and Jesus almost always ate with his apostles. Two mysteries of the Rosary involve food, in fact, the Wedding at Cana and the Last Supper.

As others have mentioned, women would have likely gotten together to do laundry, which isn’t too different from today in many places, to cook, to sew. They would probably stop by the nearest well to chat while they drew water. People would gather to watch sporting events, performances and plays, music, lectures. Mary and Jesus both attended parties and dinners, and there’s the story of Mary and Martha (different Mary of course).

It’s easy to forget that, even in cultures rather different than our own, there are a lot more commonalities than there are differences. For one, modern Jewish and Mediterranean customs didn’t just spring out of nowhere, and hardly any ideas are truly original. I’m sure Jesus was friends with the other children He grew up around, and I doubt that Mary would let even Him run about unsupervised with strangers, so it’s reasonable to assume that she became friends with the other mothers in Nazareth and would socialize while they supervised their kids. I doubt they’d go to Starbucks, but I’m sure there were market kiosks and various shops that they would go to together for groceries, cloth, and various necessities. Joseph was the local carpenter, so I’m sure they were also friends with people who would come in for furniture, tools, etc. There were certainly quite a few people who owned chairs and tables and plates and cutting boards assembled by Jesus.

Hopefully all that can give you some ideas!
 
I’m sure Mary “got together with” other women where she lived, and they would have been wives and mothers themselves, and been her friends, just like any woman of today would have her girlfriends. Of course, I know they didn’t refer to them as “girlfriends” in ancient times, but I got to wondering…Where would Mary have gotten together with other women, just to visit and talk? What would they have done together? In those days, no one “met for brunch or coffee”, and there were no little church ladies committees, so I’m a little blank on how and where exactly these opportunities would have come up? Asking this, because I’m writing little stories of her. Thanks:)
I won’t repeat what the other posts said (since I agree with them anyway). I’d just like to post some pictures.


Here’s a bunch of Palestinian women from the 19th century carrying water jars over their heads. Presumably they would have been fetching water at the local well.

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And here’s a group of women hanging out while weaving.

http://www.lifeintheholyland.com/im...winepress,_natives_with_MB_jars,_mat03013.jpg
And here’s a handful of people on a winepress.


And here are girls sewing.

http://www.lifeintheholyland.com/images/Arab_women_working_hand_mill,_mat06017.jpg
And here’s a couple of women grinding grain on a handmill.

I think Mary would have made contact with the other women of Nazareth pretty much like this: mainly while working. Since the demands of daily work were so heavy (and you really had to work), people pretty much worked for six days of the week. The Sabbath was the one day when families rested and really socialize (which they would have done by eating together).
 
Our Lady would, I believe, have mothered in the ways normal to other mothers, as some have already suggested in various ways, although in the case of Our Lady, she lived her life immaculately; furthermore, it is reasonable to assume that she would have, as well as tending to her Son, tended also to the sick and suffering, and to children, participating actively, in this way also tending to her Son who had complete confidence in her, bringing them to Him, and Mary herself lovingly caring for them too - as St. Dominic prayed: “Oh most worthy Mother of Wisdom…!”

catholictradition.org/Classics/secret-rosary33.htm

😉
 
…I love some of those photos, btw! The winepress area is familiar - I remember seeing it on a documentary about the Holy Land.
 
…I love some of those photos, btw! The winepress area is familiar - I remember seeing it on a documentary about the Holy Land. This is a really great thread, IMO - if only it was possible for it to have a twelve star rating!
That winepress is in Ein Kerem, the village where (as per tradition) Elizabeth and Zechariah lived. This seems to be it.

And here’s another photo of two women grinding a mill.

I actually like these old 19th-early 20th century photos - they’re so down-to-earth-y. I doubt you’ll ever get to see something like these again (unless of course you go to some remote rural village in that part of the world, probably). In a way, I think they’d be the kind of sights Jesus and Mary would have seen back 2,000 years ago.
 
I actually like these old 19th-early 20th century photos - they’re so down-to-earth-y.
We were thinking the same thing seemingly!
I doubt you’ll ever get to see something like these again (unless of course you go to some remote rural village in that part of the world, probably). In a way, I think they’d be the kind of sights Jesus and Mary would have seen back 2,000 years ago.
Bible background snapshots. 🙂
 
What strikes me from those photos is the humbling environment compared to ours. Real hands-in-the-mud living. The face of the woman in the second photo has real expression.
Exactly. I mean, icons, statues and holy cards don’t really capture that grittiness, that ‘real’-ness that these photos do. Jesus and His disciples and family would have lived pretty much like these people.

Here’s some more:

Women carrying baskets of olive wood
Women and children at Mary’s Well, Nazareth
A Palestinian village in the 19th century
Kefar Malek (Kfar Malik) near Ramallah. No high-rise buildings to obscure the horizon back then
A covered street in Nazareth. Those donkeys 😃

19th-century Bethany
Fishermen drawing in a dragnet in the Sea of Galilee
Picking olives
A carpenter making plows
 
Exactly. I mean, icons, statues and holy cards don’t really capture that grittiness, that ‘real’-ness that these photos do. Jesus and His disciples and family would have lived pretty much like these people.
Amazing images. I like the one with the woman standing by the boy on a donkey.

It might have been a lot busier in Bible times as the Romans were there, and the old Temple I imagine had much going on, in response. A time of business. Of various diverse people in one huge area. Fervour could spread quickly in terms of sending a message. I think it was a hectic time. Guaranteed, there would have been quieter times too. I imagine Our Lady to be more active and gentle-yet-strong so I know what you mean about “grittiness”. I like the statues of her when conveying movement in them, to convey her active faith. I believe Our Lady and the disciples would also have been educated, albeit possibly by remembrence, in the history of their people, Scripture, and been attentive to their religious practices.
 
Amazing images. I like the one with the woman standing by the boy on a donkey.

It might have been a lot busier in Bible times as the Romans were there, and the old Temple I imagine had much going on, in response. A time of business. Of various diverse people in one huge area. Fervour could spread quickly in terms of sending a message. I think it was a hectic time. Guaranteed, there would have been quieter times too. I imagine Our Lady to be more active and gentle-yet-strong so I know what you mean about “grittiness”. I like the statues of her when conveying movement in them, to convey her active faith. I believe Our Lady and the disciples would also have been educated, albeit possibly by remembrence, in the history of their people, Scripture, and been attentive to their religious practices.
Fun fact: unlike in some Jesus films, where Roman soldiers are these omnipresent baddies that will randomly raid villages and confiscate stuff and just start crucifying people left and right, it’s actually likely that the Romans had a minimal presence in the Holy Land at the time. Daily government was actually run by native officials and elders; the Romans preferred staying in the background and stepped in only when there was a threat to public security.

The Galilee was under Antipas’ jurisdiction: he had his own soldiers and he ran his own government. He paid tribute to Rome occasionally, kept things in line by keeping public order and defending his borders, and Rome would grant him some degree of autonomy in return (and some promise of protection against hypothetical enemies). I mean, he minted his own coins - one of the principal signs of ‘independence’. (Note, these coins were bronze rather than silver; essentially, they’re just small change. So the primary purpose of Antipas’ coins was political propaganda: it advertised that he was ‘autonomous’.) So the tax collectors in the Galilee we see in the gospels - such as Matthew/Levi - would actually be working directly for Antipas, rather than Rome as we often imagine. In fact, the ‘hekatontarch’ in Capernaum - whose servant Jesus heals - is probably not a Roman centurion, but an official in Antipas’ army. (Note that John’s closest parallel to the synoptic story of the centurion’s servant is the royal official’s son.)

It’s kind of like the Soviet Union and its satellite states during the Cold War: Eastern Bloc countries established by the Soviets like East Germany, Hungary, or Poland all had their own ‘independent’ governments. They had to contribute to the Soviet Empire in various ways, but Moscow only intervened directly in these countries only very occasionally, when unrest or civil tumult got out of hand or when a brash government felt too independent. That’s the same tactic Romans used: as long as a client ruler ruled correctly (in Rome’s view), he was left in peace.

Down south in Judaea, daily government was left to Jewish authorities, who acted as the middlemen: for example, in Jerusalem it is the high priest and his circle of advisors. There were a few Roman soldiers in garrisons acting as token lookouts for trouble, but otherwise, cities, Jewish towns and villages were run by Jewish magistrates and elders, according to Jewish law. The Roman prefect only showed up in Jerusalem during the major pilgrimage festivals (such as Passover) to check for any potential unrest; for the rest of the year, he and most of his soldiers are in Caesarea-by-the-(Mediterranean) Sea (Maritima) with other gentiles. Again, you have here a form of indirect rule: letting the natives run their own affairs.

Speaking of which, the 20s-30s were actually relatively ‘peaceful’. When we think of the 1st century and imagine all those Roman soldiers patrolling the streets, that’s actually a picture that would fit the 50s-60s, when the land was becoming dangerous and Jews were beginning to engage in a massive rebellion against the Romans, more than the time Jesus lived in. There was of course the threat that some uprising might erupt (it was a sort of tense ‘peace’), but all in all, the first half of the 1st century was relatively better when you compare it to the latter half of the same century. A lot changed in the decade or two after Jesus.
 
Remember that work was not allowed on the Sabbath. There would have been no pressing of wine or grinding at the mill on Saturday.

So why wouldn’t Our Lady have had friends and gotten together for enjoyment, even on a weeknight? She was a Jewish mother. She wasn’t a nun locked away in a convent.

The word recreation means re-creation. I’m sure she recreated with friends.

-Tim-
 
Thank you, everyone, for your thoughts…and I enjoyed the pictures!🙂 Those women are truly beautiful and so natural and hardworking. It’s the simple beauty of a hardworking wife and mother. I’ve devised little scenes in my mind…one in particular of Mary chatting with other women while they wash and hang their laundry. I would imagine they washed their clothes outside, in their courtyard, in a tub of soapy water, and hung them with some sort of clothespins. Even if this isn’t exactly accurate, I sometimes just write little things like that, because it is believable, and it makes it simpler for me…Also to add, that the stories I’m writing of Mary are of her in the years after the Crucifixion and Resurrection, focusing on Her quieter life in the years before Her own death (if she really did die) I won’t write about Her dying, I will still leave that to the unknown…
 
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