Mary Magdalene

[ufamtobie]

Strange, the church give her a shade of sinner but the Bible say nothing about her so where the church got the idea that she was a sinner?
I think that for the male dominated church was and still is a bit embarrassing to have a woman smarter then the male apostles.
ramon_k_jusino.tripod.com/magdalene.html

Ricchetto,

“Let the one without sin cast the first stone”. The Catholic Church teaches we are all sinners, in need of Jesus Christ. Amen

Embarrassing? For you perhaps, but not for the Catholic Church, because if what you are saying is true, there won’t be a Saint by the Name of Mary Magdalene, in the Catholic Church.

ricchetto, Since you posted the thread above, do you feel embarrassed if a woman is “smarter” than you?

Mary Magdalene, was obviously smart but it was God’s Grace given to her, that she may be with Jesus until the end of His Life on the cross and seeing Him at the resurrection.

Ufam Tobie

 

[ricchetto]

Ricchetto,

“Let the one without sin cast the first stone”. The Catholic Church teaches we are all sinners, in need of Jesus Christ. Amen

Embarrassing? For you perhaps, but not for the Catholic Church, because if what you are saying is true, there won’t be a Saint by the Name of Mary Magdalene, in the Catholic Church.

ricchetto, Since you posted the thread above, do you feel embarrassed if a woman is “smarter” than you?

Mary Magdalene, was obviously smart but it was God’s Grace given to her, that she may be with Jesus until the end of His Life on the cross and seeing Him at the resurrection.

Ufam Tobie

I am not a psychologist but to me to keep on repeating that you are a sinner produce a mental disease.
After sometime a person that is told that he-she is a sinner really start to believe that he-she is a sinner.
Why don’t you try to be a bit more positive and spread a positive feeling instead?
Even if a person did the wrong thing the only way to rehabilitate him-her is positivity not negativity.
Have you ever read the Aquarian Gospel?

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Aquarian_Gospel_of_Jesus_the_Christ

 

[1ke]

I am not a psychologist but to me to keep on repeating that you are a sinner produce a mental disease.

What it hopefully produces is a repentant sinner.

After sometime a person that is told that he-she is a sinner really start to believe that he-she is a sinner.

Well, good, because that is true.

Why don’t you try to be a bit more positive and spread a positive feeling instead?
Even if a person did the wrong thing the only way to rehabilitate him-her is positivity not negativity.

It seems you don’t understand the call to conversion, it is most definitely positive. The Good News of salvation is what we preach, what Christ preached.

Have you ever read the Aquarian Gospel?

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Aquarian_Gospel_of_Jesus_the_Christ

You expect people to take you seriously with the “Aquarian” gospel?

 

[ricchetto]

What it hopefully produces is a repentant sinner.Well, good, because that is true.
It seems you don’t understand the call to conversion, it is most definitely positive. The Good News of salvation is what we preach, what Christ preached.

I don’t think you would ever get a job in a rehabilitation centre.
Nor physical nor mental nor spiritual.
You may be convinced that God said this or that but that is not how the whole system works.
How can you inherit somebody else sins or problems?
Why should i be responsible for other people mistakes?

You expect people to take you seriously with the “Aquarian” gospel?

The only way to understand the truth is to see all the different options.
That is what a good detective would do but if you are happy with what you got and think is right then good luck with your option.

 

[cmodrmac]

There were a number of Marys (Miriams) I believe it was the most common name for Jewish females around the time of Jesus

She was the first to see the risen Jesus -pretty important I believe-

 

[ufamtobie]

I am not a psychologist but to me to keep on repeating that you are a sinner produce a mental disease.
After sometime a person that is told that he-she is a sinner really start to believe that he-she is a sinner.
Why don’t you try to be a bit more positive and spread a positive feeling instead?
Even if a person did the wrong thing the only way to rehabilitate him-her is positivity not negativity.
Have you ever read the Aquarian Gospel?

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Aquarian_Gospel_of_Jesus_the_Christ

Richetto,

Have you ever read the Holy Bible such as the scripture below:

1John 1: 8If we say that we have no sin, we deceive ourselves, and the truth is not in us. 9If we confess our sins, he is faithful and just, to forgive us our sins, and to cleanse us from all iniquity. 10If we say that we have not sinned, we make him a liar, and his word is not in us.

We all are sinners from the day we were born until the day we die. If I were to say otherwise I make Him, my Lord and Savior a liar, as YOU do.

Any Christian would rather have a mental disease than call Jesus Christ a liar, because having any disease will not take one to hell, but calling Him a liar, will!!! Though I cannot judge no one, but God did give us common sense to know right and wrong and your belief, is totally wrong.

Richetto, you are not here on your own accord, it was Jesus Christ himself who brought you hear to CAF to learn the truth from His Church that He and only He has established over 2000 years ago and counting strong.

Ufam Tobie

 

[ricchetto]

Richetto,

Have you ever read the Holy Bible such as the scripture below:

1John 1: 8If we say that we have no sin, we deceive ourselves, and the truth is not in us. 9If we confess our sins, he is faithful and just, to forgive us our sins, and to cleanse us from all iniquity. 10If we say that we have not sinned, we make him a liar, and his word is not in us.

We all are sinners from the day we were born until the day we die. If I were to say otherwise I make Him, my Lord and Savior a liar, as YOU do.

Any Christian would rather have a mental disease than call Jesus Christ a liar, because having any disease will not take one to hell, but calling Him a liar, will!!! Though I cannot judge no one, but God did give us common sense to know right and wrong and your belief, is totally wrong.

Richetto, you are not here on your own accord, it was Jesus Christ himself who brought you hear to CAF to learn the truth from His Church that He and only He has established over 2000 years ago and counting strong.
Ufam Tobie

Could be that the sins that we have (as described by John) are sins that we carry on from previous lives?
In this case we deal with the reincarnation of the body which is something widely accepted by religions older then Christianity.

 

[ufamtobie]

Could be that the sins that we have (as described by John) are sins that we carry on from previous lives?
In this case we deal with the reincarnation of the body which is something widely accepted by religions older then Christianity.

Ricchetto,

There is no such thing as reincarnation!!!

Ufam Tobie

 

[Reuben_J]

How can you inherit somebody else sins or problems?
Why should i be responsible for other people mistakes?

Psychiatrists and psychologists will tell you that sins and problems can be genetically inherited and acquired by their off-springs.

A child of a compulsive gambler would likely to be one himself. A person who saw his parents fornicated and treated adultery as right would likely do that himself when he becomes an adult.

A drunkard can leave problem he created by being a poor husband and father to the family – a dysfunctional family and children who would be traumatized in their childhood by the treatment that their father imposed on them and on their mother, that these children can have problem resulting in them finding it difficult in adapting to bringing up a family of his own unless he is rehabilitated.

There is a saying, “like father, like son” and how often we see this happening. Thus one can be responsible for another person to inherit one’s deficiencies, faults and problem.

There are experiments with animals that grew up in different environments and treatments which will affect their personalities and behaviour later in their lives.

 

[ricchetto]

Ricchetto,

There is no such thing as reincarnation!!!Ufam Tobie

So where we suppose to get the consciousness that we have as human being?
Do you really think that one life is enough to reach this stage?
If you think in this way then you also can become a doctor in one year without having to go through all the years in primary school then all years in high and uni years.
It would be very good to pop up as evolved human just like this without having to do all the hard work and having someone who impress this knowledge in our mind.
Tell me one thing.
If you would have a son would you really pop up high consciousness to him or you would like to see him grow step by step?

 

[ricchetto]

Psychiatrists and psychologists will tell you that sins and problems can be genetically inherited and acquired by their off-springs.

A child of a compulsive gambler would likely to be one himself. A person who saw his parents fornicated and treated adultery as right would likely do that himself when he becomes an adult.

A drunkard can leave problem he created by being a poor husband and father to the family – a dysfunctional family and children who would be traumatized in their childhood by the treatment that their father imposed on them and on their mother, that these children can have problem resulting in them finding it difficult in adapting to bringing up a family of his own unless he is rehabilitated.

There is a saying, “like father, like son” and how often we see this happening. Thus one can be responsible for another person to inherit one’s deficiencies, faults and problem.

There are experiments with animals that grew up in different environments and treatments which will affect their personalities and behaviour later in their lives.

What you say make sense and i agree with you.
Unfortunately you are missing something.
What you say does not exclude that what i say in my analysis is true.
Life is like a big puzzle or mosaic in which we are put in the right spot within this mosaic.
If we deserve and make sense that we should be born in a certain spot then we will be placed there and not in a different spot.
Sorry to upset you but reincarnation make sense to me so if in the previous life you were a drunkard then you will be born in similar situation and if in the previous life you were a good person then you will born in a good situation.
As you can see your post make sense, unfortunately you miss to understand why we born in different situation.
Everybody at the end deserve what they build up or destroy up waiting for better opportunity to correct their mistakes.

 

[Reuben_J]

What you say make sense and i agree with you.
Unfortunately you are missing something.
What you say does not exclude that what i say in my analysis is true.
Life is like a big puzzle or mosaic in which we are put in the right spot within this mosaic.
If we deserve and make sense that we should be born in a certain spot then we will be placed there and not in a different spot.
Sorry to upset you but reincarnation make sense to me so if in the previous life you were a drunkard then you will be born in similar situation and if in the previous life you were a good person then you will born in a good situation.
As you can see your post make sense, unfortunately you miss to understand why we born in different situation.
Everybody at the end deserve what they build up or destroy up waiting for better opportunity to correct their mistakes.

Indeed they make sense but I thought I was stating the obvious. Personally I have experiences in counselling and ministering to people who have problems that need solution, restoration and even healing. It is a kind of ministry in serving people who require such needs. Our approach is mainly from the spiritual aspect and the principle is based on Christian teaching, belief and doctrines. In doing all these, we understand that the medical, psychological and mental aspects are also relevant that we do sometimes consult friends who are professionals in these fields.

I am telling you this because I realize that what you said may be something of another belief which I have no knowledge on. You put your religion as spirituality; if you don’t mind, what is it actually? Since you did mention about reincarnation, are you practicing Buddhism?

No, I am not upset; in fact I am quite intrigued by your revelation.

Just a little question regarding incarnation, not that I believe in it but just out of curiosity: What was I before? I am now perhaps quite a mature person, sorry to say that but I am not boasting but to give you information for you to deduce on my ‘previous’ life. I don’t drink, don’t smoke, don’t gamble and faithful to my wife and try to be devoted parents to my children. I am kind of a religious person in the sense that I practice my religion seriously. So what was I in my previous life? Does a person know what he was in his previous life (if it exist, for I would not know what I was before)?

 

[ricchetto]

Indeed they make sense but I thought I was stating the obvious. Personally I have experiences in counselling and ministering to people who have problems that need solution, restoration and even healing. It is a kind of ministry in serving people who require such needs. Our approach is mainly from the spiritual aspect and the principle is based on Christian teaching, belief and doctrines. In doing all these, we understand that the medical, psychological and mental aspects are also relevant that we do sometimes consult friends who are professionals in these fields.

I am telling you this because I realize that what you said may be something of another belief which I have no knowledge on. You put your religion as spirituality; if you don’t mind, what is it actually? Since you did mention about reincarnation, are you practicing Buddhism?

No, I am not upset; in fact I am quite intrigued by your revelation.

Just a little question regarding incarnation, not that I believe in it but just out of curiosity: What was I before? I am now perhaps quite a mature person, sorry to say that but I am not boasting but to give you information for you to deduce on my ‘previous’ life. I don’t drink, don’t smoke, don’t gamble and faithful to my wife and try to be devoted parents to my children. I am kind of a religious person in the sense that I practice my religion seriously. So what was I in my previous life? Does a person know what he was in his previous life (if it exist, for I would not know what I was before)?

I always try to understand other point of view.
I like Jesus but i also like other spiritual teachers from Shiva to Buddha and many saints.
Yoga is also interesting but that is not going well with Christian teaching.
Reincarnation to me make sense because you learn step by step, life after life until you reach the very top of human evolution.
If you born as an intelligent human being just out of nothing then it does not make sense to me.
There are people who win huge amount of money playing lotto to loose everything after a short while and the reason is that they never learn how to manage money while someone who build up money by hard work will make even more money as he-she learn how to manage money.
Life work in the same way.
If you build up your consciousness from small to big you know more or less how to manage your life.
The manna does not fall from the sky.
You got to learn the hard way and by hard work.
There is no other way around.

About your question what you were in your previous life.
It is important not to know.
If you were allow to know then your present life would be very very difficult to manage.
Suppose you were a criminal.
Every time it come in your mind that you did bad thing you would feel terrible and this would prevent you from be in peace with yourself.
On the other hand if you were a good person that did good thing you would taking easy thinking that you have done enough.

 

[Reuben_J]

I always try to understand other point of view.
I like Jesus but i also like other spiritual teachers from Shiva to Buddha and many saints.
Yoga is also interesting but that is not going well with Christian teaching.
Reincarnation to me make sense because you learn step by step, life after life until you reach the very top of human evolution.
If you born as an intelligent human being just out of nothing then it does not make sense to me.
There are people who win huge amount of money playing lotto to loose everything after a short while and the reason is that they never learn how to manage money while someone who build up money by hard work will make even more money as he-she learn how to manage money.
Life work in the same way.
If you build up your consciousness from small to big you know more or less how to manage your life.
The manna does not fall from the sky.
You got to learn the hard way and by hard work.
There is no other way around.

Thank you, ricchetto. Since you did not say your religion was, I gather that this is a personal life principle rather than a teaching/belief of a religion so that I can remind myself who is saying this.

I agree that one (usually) learns the hard way and by hard work (though my concept on how this comes about may be different).

When I was a kid, my parents though well to do, had never spoilt me with money. My father was discipline with my allowance and the amount was always just enough for my needs. If I needed something extra or desired them that were outside of the scope of the allowance, I had to justify and request for them before they were given. I was not quite happy about that then but now I realize that I must learn to appreciate everything that I have and if I must have them, I have to earn them.

About your question what you were in your previous life.
It is important not to know.
If you were allow to know then your present life would be very very difficult to manage.
Suppose you were a criminal.
Every time it come in your mind that you did bad thing you would feel terrible and this would prevent you from be in peace with yourself.
On the other hand if you were a good person that did good thing you would taking easy thinking that you have done enough.

I understand what you are saying though I disagree for obvious reason considering my background. Not just in principle but for the practical part of it. In any case, not everybody would behave as such, certainly.

I was amazed to run into you and it was not my expectation.

I guess we are probably digressing from your OP. Again out of curiosity, why bringing up Mary Magdalene? You do realize that the link that you gave is not the teaching of the Church. And Christians are never afraid that women may be smarter than men; they just have different roles. Mary Magdalene was believed to be a sinner before she met Jesus but repented subsequently. Christianity regards repentance highly and for this Mary Magdalene is greatly admired and honoured in our religion.

 

[concretecamper]

ricchetto:

Strange, the church give her a shade of sinner but the Bible say nothing about her so where the church got the idea that she was a sinner?
I think that for the male dominated church was and still is a bit embarrassing to have a woman smarter then the male apostles.
ramon_k_jusino.tripod.com/magdalene.html

What is your motive for this. Does you last sentence reveal it?

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[ricchetto]

I guess we are probably digressing from your OP. Again out of curiosity, why bringing up Mary Magdalene? You do realize that the link that you gave is not the teaching of the Church. And Christians are never afraid that women may be smarter than men; they just have different roles. Mary Magdalene was believed to be a sinner before she met Jesus but repented subsequently. Christianity regards repentance highly and for this Mary Magdalene is greatly admired and honoured in our religion.

You say…why bringing up Mary Magdalene?..
…and then you say…they just have different roles (women)…

This is where all the problem lies because is not God that said that women have a different role as far as spirituality is concern but is the church that establish this some time after Jesus and the first Christian advent.
You show me that God ever said that women are not entitle to have a prominent role in teaching spirituality and i will cover you with garland of flowers.:tiphat:

 

[ricchetto]

What is your motive for this. Does you last sentence reveal it?

Not only religions put women down but also in politic and in business we see the same trend.
Sad indeed.
It is like pretending that a bird can fly with only one wing.
No wonder there are so many problem in the world.

 

[Brendan_64]

I am not a psychologist but to me to keep on repeating that you are a sinner produce a mental disease.
After sometime a person that is told that he-she is a sinner really start to believe that he-she is a sinner.

I would suggest that you fail to understand what sin is. Sin is separation from God.

Our quest is to be united with God, and as such we are only in need of this quest because of our sinful state. The only people who are without sin are those united with God in Heaven.

All of us are sinners, all of us are imperfect. To claim to be without sin is to claim to be perfect, to claim to be in no need of improvement, to claim to be divine.

 

[rinnie]

I am not a psychologist but to me to keep on repeating that you are a sinner produce a mental disease.
After sometime a person that is told that he-she is a sinner really start to believe that he-she is a sinner.
Why don’t you try to be a bit more positive and spread a positive feeling instead?
Even if a person did the wrong thing the only way to rehabilitate him-her is positivity not negativity.
Have you ever read the Aquarian Gospel?

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Aquarian_Gospel_of_Jesus_the_Christ

What positive feeling would you suggest to spread to someone who continues to sin.

Don’t worry about it, it will be okay? Or don’t listen to the word of God you will still get into heaven with mortal sin.

Or continue to live in this sin your life will get better?

Would it not be better to tell someone to go back to the church confess the sin, get help from the Church to rid one of the sin, and enjoy not only peace in this life but in the next to come.

Sin ruins a persons life. It not only takes away much needed peace, if it a mortal sin, or deadly sin it not only ruins our life it separates us from the grace of God.

Why would it be produce a mental issue to try to help the sinner turn to God and rid oneself of the sin, I don’t understand.

 

[rinnie]

Not only religions put women down but also in politic and in business we see the same trend.
Sad indeed.
It is like pretending that a bird can fly with only one wing.
No wonder there are so many problem in the world.

The RCC is the number one target for paying respect to a Woman. The Blessed Mother.

The teaching of the RCC is to love and repsect women as Jeuss loved and respected his own Mother.

Heck we even get accused of putting her above Jesus half the time, So how could the RCC get accused of this.

I don’t think it religions who degrade women it is people. Usualy people who have no self-esteem for oneself.