Mary Magdalene

[ricchetto]

I would suggest that you fail to understand what sin is. Sin is separation from God.

Our quest is to be united with God, and as such we are only in need of this quest because of our sinful state. The only people who are without sin are those united with God in Heaven.

All of us are sinners, all of us are imperfect. To claim to be without sin is to claim to be perfect, to claim to be in no need of improvement, to claim to be divine.

I am sorry but as far as i can understand sin is doing something wrong.
If the son is not yet ready to go back home where his father is that is not sin.
People have to grow up and have to learn so many things before they are ready to expand their consciousness and become part of the supreme consciousness.
Would you tell your son that he is a sinner just because he is not yet grown up properly as you are?
The problem with this sort of dogma is that they are grown on top of other dogmas.
And that distort the original truth.
In the Bible there are a lot of truth but there are also a lot of things that are made up as the time goes on in order to please the establishment of the day.
Would you really believe that someone live about 900 years or that animal sacrifices are ok?
And what about permanent hell?
How can a perfect God can create something that may end up to rot in a hell?
From perfection you get more perfection not rotting material.

 

[ricchetto]

The RCC is the number one target for paying respect to a Woman. The Blessed Mother.

The teaching of the RCC is to love and repsect women as Jeuss loved and respected his own Mother.
Heck we even get accused of putting her above Jesus half the time, So how could the RCC get accused of this.
I don’t think it religions who degrade women it is people. Usualy people who have no self-esteem for oneself.

It seem that you are missing the point.
IN THIS CASE I am talking about the role of women which are kept out the role to administer the sacrament by man decision and not by God decision.
So the point is this…WHEN EVER GOD SAID THAT WOMEN HAVE TO HAVE A SECONDARY ROLE?

 

[ricchetto]

What positive feeling would you suggest to spread to someone who continues to sin.

Don’t worry about it, it will be okay? Or don’t listen to the word of God you will still get into heaven with mortal sin.
Or continue to live in this sin your life will get better? Would it not be better to tell someone to go back to the church confess the sin, get help from the Church to rid one of the sin, and enjoy not only peace in this life but in the next to come.Sin ruins a persons life. It not only takes away much needed peace, if it a mortal sin, or deadly sin it not only ruins our life it separates us from the grace of God.
Why would it be produce a mental issue to try to help the sinner turn to God and rid oneself of the sin, I don’t understand.

You are also missing the point.
I never said that sin is ok.
I instead said that …

1. It does not help to tell someone that he-she is a sinner even if he-she is.
   It is rather better to be positive.
   If you work in an hospital and you tell your patients that their cancer will soon kill them you surely will accelerate their death and on top of that if your boss hear you to say that you will be out the door in second.
2. The separation from God is certainly no good but to build up a proper relationship with someone it take time and effort.
   The problem with religious dogmas is that someone in the past took away the physical reincarnation and replaced with only one life ONLY ONE CHANCE.
   In this way there is no time to sort out our problem and on top of that there is permanent punishment if we do not sort out our problem in time.

 

[rinnie]

You are also missing the point.
I never said that sin is ok.
I instead said that …

1. It does not help to tell someone that he-she is a sinner even if he-she is.
   It is rather better to be positive.
   If you work in an hospital and you tell your patients that their cancer will soon kill them you surely will accelerate their death and on top of that if your boss hear you to say that you will be out the door in second.
2. The separation from God is certainly no good but to build up a proper relationship with someone it take time and effort.
   The problem with religious dogmas is that someone in the past took away the physical reincarnation and replaced with only one life ONLY ONE CHANCE.
   In this way there is no time to sort out our problem and on top of that there is permanent punishment if we do not sort out our problem in time.

Well to address number one if you were a true Christian you would never tell anyone they were going to die you would tell them to pray and you would pray for them. If you were a really a true Christian, your prayer would not be for a cure or not it would be, Thy Kingdom come THEY WILL BE DONE on EARTH as it is in heaven. I would tell them to forget all their troubles give them up to God and let it Go and trust him.

Secondly Sorry that you do not see that it was by the death of Jesus that we got this second chance, and rather we take advantage of it or not comes with free will.

By the way that someone that gave us the religious dogma was Jesus Christ himself. God made Man, and we do take it quite serious.

We are CALLED to share the good news.

The bad news is sin kills the soul, the good news is Jesus saved us from Sin by his death and gave us the tools within the Church to save our soul.

Some how you see this as a negative. While we see it as Salvation through Jesus Christ through the Sacraments given to us through his Church.

 

[rinnie]

By the way just wondering how can you be positive about someones sin?

 

[rinnie]

It seem that you are missing the point.
IN THIS CASE I am talking about the role of women which are kept out the role to administer the sacrament by man decision and not by God decision.
So the point is this…WHEN EVER GOD SAID THAT WOMEN HAVE TO HAVE A SECONDARY ROLE?

Well I totally disagree with you. The Pope has authority by God to do this.

By the way Jesus chose 12 Apostles and they were all men also. Do you accuse him of this also? Just wondering.

 

[rinnie]

I am sorry but as far as i can understand sin is doing something wrong.
If the son is not yet ready to go back home where his father is that is not sin.
People have to grow up and have to learn so many things before they are ready to expand their consciousness and become part of the supreme consciousness.
Would you tell your son that he is a sinner just because he is not yet grown up properly as you are?
The problem with this sort of dogma is that they are grown on top of other dogmas.
And that distort the original truth.
In the Bible there are a lot of truth but there are also a lot of things that are made up as the time goes on in order to please the establishment of the day.
Would you really believe that someone live about 900 years or that animal sacrifices are ok?
And what about permanent hell?
How can a perfect God can create something that may end up to rot in a hell?
From perfection you get more perfection not rotting material.

Not according to the word of God. If you fall into sin and refuse to repent thats exactly where you rot in hell.

Is it all religions you have a problem with, or is it the word of God.

 

[concretecamper]

Not only religions put women down but also in politic and in business we see the same trend.
Sad indeed.
It is like pretending that a bird can fly with only one wing.
No wonder there are so many problem in the world.

Haha…that about the Church that holds “The Woman” in the highest esteem among all of God’s creation.

 

[Brendan_64]

I am sorry but as far as i can understand sin is doing something wrong…

I would suggest that you have a shallow understanding of what sin is then. Sin is separation from God. God is complete goodness, and is the opposite of sin. Sin separates us from God and from each other. Sin is separation from God. to be free from sin is to be united with God, which is of course our aim.

Can anyone living on this Earth claim to have never done anything wrong, to never have done anything harmful, to have always acted with complete goodness?

If the son is not yet ready to go back home where his father is that is not sin.
People have to grow up and have to learn so many things before they are ready to expand their consciousness and become part of the supreme consciousness.
Would you tell your son that he is a sinner just because he is not yet grown up properly as you are?

What you are advocating is a complete absence of responsibility on the part on the individual. As humans we have the ability to determine right from wrong. We therefore have a responsibility to act, not as it suits us, but to act in accordance to what we know is right.

The problem with this sort of dogma is that they are grown on top of other dogmas.
And that distort the original truth.

If you are going to make such grand statements, then back them up with fact. What dogmas are you referring to? What original truth are you referring to?

In the Bible there are a lot of truth but there are also a lot of things that are made up as the time goes on in order to please the establishment of the day.

And on what authority do you determine this? Just because it looks that way to you?

Would you really believe that someone live about 900 years or that animal sacrifices are ok?

You have now displayed a complete lack of understanding about what the catholic Church teaches regarding the Bible. Not all the books of the Bible have to be taken literally. The Bible is made up of many different genres, including allegorical texts. The Church does not insist that anyone (Methuseleh, Abraham or otherwise) lived longer than a natural lifespan.

And what about permanent hell?
How can a perfect God can create something that may end up to rot in a hell?

We all have the gift of free will. We all have a choice how we live our lives, but with that free choice comes responsibility.

What you seem to want is plenty of choice to live exactly as we like, without having to take any responsibility, or suffer any consequence for our actions.

God does not condemn anyone to Hell, we choose that fate ourselves as a result of the actions that we freely choose.

From perfection you get more perfection not rotting material.

That perfection was tainted when sin and wrong actions entered into the equation.

So you reckon that mankind is perfect? Look around you? Do you see a perfect world? Do you see no evil in this world? You see only perfect people No cruel actions from one man to another? No war, no murder, no child-abuse, no rape, no torture?

How do you explain all that if you insist that man is perfection?

 

[ricchetto]

I would suggest that you have a shallow understanding of what sin is then. Sin is separation from God. God is complete goodness, and is the opposite of sin. Sin separates us from God and from each other. Sin is separation from God. to be free from sin is to be united with God, which is of course our aim.
Can anyone living on this Earth claim to have never done anything wrong, to never have done anything harmful, to have always acted with complete goodness?

Strange but the Christian belief is very similar to the east philosophy and religions.
They also believe that once you get rid of your sins you can go to paradise.
I said SIMILAR and not the same because there are some differences.

1. For them sins are reactive momenta. Every action has got to have an equal and opposite reaction so if you do bad or good you will have to experience that bad or good later on. They call it KARMA law.
2. Their paradise is not like the Christian one in which you will be in a beautiful place and enjoy It in God presence. For them paradise or nirvana is to become God itself like when a drop of water merge in the big ocean it become the ocean itself.
3. Today Christian belief is that you got one life and one chance on the contrary the eastern philosophy believe that you have as many lives and chances as it is needed to bring you up to human emancipation.
   I said TODAY Christian belief because i believe that Christ never said…one life one chance.

What you are advocating is a complete absence of responsibility on the part on the individual. As humans we have the ability to determine right from wrong. We therefore have a responsibility to act, not as it suits us, but to act in accordance to what we know is right.

Not really.
It is only a question to employ the right method to educate people.
I have been working in rehabilitation centers in the past and i know how to deal with reeducating people.

If you are going to make such grand statements, then back them up with fact. What dogmas are you referring to? What original truth are you referring to?

Dogma is an idea turned into an official truth coming from a human mind not from God.
You put this idea into an enclosure and do not allow anyone to challenge that idea.
To say that Christ is the ONLY savior send by God is a dogma.
Suppose you are God.
You created life and humans long long time ago (maybe millions years ago).
All of a sudden (2000 years ago) you decide to send your savior to educate and save the people.
What then happen to the million of people that came before Christ?
And what happen to those who never heard about Christ?
And what happen to those born under different religions?
And what happen to those living in other planets that never heard about Christ?
Don’t you think that if you really care about the present and the past you would send a savior everywhere is needed?
I think that there are and there were saviors in all ages and times and there will be in the future as the need emerge in all places and ages.

And on what authority do you determine this? Just because it looks that way to you? You have now displayed a complete lack of understanding about what the catholic Church teaches regarding the Bible. Not all the books of the Bible have to be taken literally. The Bible is made up of many different genres, including allegorical texts. The Church does not insist that anyone (Methuseleh, Abraham or otherwise) lived longer than a natural lifespan.

If you really understand what the Bible say you also would know the meaning of the word Abraham.
It come from BRAHMA the God of the eastern religions and philosophies.
Abraham father and the people around were following the philosophies of the Vedas from the teaching of Shiva so he wanted his son to be educated that way that is why he called him Abraham.
As you can see Christ was not yet born and what people follow in those times was what God offer them in tune with those times and places.

We all have the gift of free will. We all have a choice how we live our lives, but with that free choice comes responsibility.
What you seem to want is plenty of choice to live exactly as we like, without having to take any responsibility, or suffer any consequence for our actions.
God does not condemn anyone to Hell, we choose that fate ourselves as a result of the actions that we freely choose.

Not really.
I know well that i will have to pay for my mistakes so i am very careful when i do something. What i do not believe in is permanent punishment as God can not be God if he would hate anyone to put him into a hell.
There are only 2 things that God can not do.
One is to hate anyone the other is to create an other God.

That perfection was tainted when sin and wrong actions entered into the equation.
So you reckon that mankind is perfect? Look around you? Do you see a perfect world? Do you see no evil in this world? You see only perfect people No cruel actions from one man to another? No war, no murder, no child-abuse, no rape, no torture?
How do you explain all that if you insist that man is perfection?

Easy explained.
The seed can get dirty outside but the chances to germinate and produce a perfect life are there.
The seed i am talking about is not physical if you can understand.