Mary Mediatrix of All Graces

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God obeys her.
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Those are figures of speech meant to teach God’s mercy. The God-inspired Scriptures have multiple accounts of God obeying people and changing His mind. No one today really believes that is what happens, but it makes the point simpler and clearer then explaining how God in His Providence allowed a creation to ask for the grace and then bestowed it in response, while all along always doing what is right and giving graces without measure.
 
The Beatles. Let it Be. Listen to those lyrics. And if you play that song backwards it says,“Mary Mother of All Graces,” over and over.
So there ya go! The Beatles and Mary. 'Nuff said, campers!
 
God said He obeys His Church . His Mother is our Mother. What Is bound on earth is bound in heaven. I believe that obedience flows from a bond that is naturally human and Divine in Jesus and Mary.
 
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“Let my tongue cleave to my jaws, if I do not remember thee:
If I make not Jerusalem the beginning of my joy.”
(Psalm 136:6)

Jerusalem, the beginning of our joy? Isn’t God supposed to be the beginning of our joy?
Is this a contradiction? Are these two competing for who is the beginning of our joy?
 
Technically, if I remember correctly, I think Jerusalem is supposed to represent Heaven in this Psalm. 🤔
 
Just a rhetorical question 🙂 Heaven, of course, is still a creation, yet the author didn’t feel the need to qualify that line with an unnecessary distinction, saying, ‘But really God is the source of our joy,’ since it is obvious what that means. Heaven is secondary to God, but for us we don’t get one without the other.
I don’t know, maybe it’s not the most helpful point, but it just seems kind of sad that we can’t all as Catholics know what we really mean when we say what we say about Mary, without constantly qualifying it. I myself do it too, I think because anyone who knows Protestants acquires a little nagging Protestant in their conscience. But I guess that’s the tricky thing about language.
 
There are many troubling instances in this Psalm, for instance, “Happy are they who dash your infants across a rock.” We’re not supposed to take everything in the Psalms as instructional.
 
I’ve thought for some time that binding and loosing on earth is a decision that God has pledged His obedience to.
 
Well I agree, that is sort of my point. We have to look for what the words actually mean.
If the author of that Psalm was overly concerned with it seeming like it meant something contrary to God’s way and truth, then rather than writing what the Holy Spirit inspired he would have written something much easier to read.
Jerusalem refers to Heaven. So the DRC Bible notes about Babylon: “In the spiritual sense, we dash the little ones of Babylon against the rock, when we mortify our passions, and stifle the first motions of them, by a speedy recourse to the rock which is Christ.”
 
Isn’t cognition an act and recognition an act of will? To will to act according to decisions of another, is that an act of obedience to that other?
 
Jesus is saying that He’ll accept any direction on faith on morals. We interpret this as meaning the Pope is free from error in ex cathedra statements. It’s not God obeying humanity; He’s active, not passive in this instance.
 
Oh I see. Ok I don’t see the binding and loosing as necessarily the authority to teach. St Paul hands a couple guys over to Satan with that power to teach them a lesson. I guess it is a teaching power. Infallibility is the work of the Holy spirit guiding to all truth. That requires a beginning without error, a teaching that continues to develop without error. If it becomes adulterated with error it begins to develop error. It’s like breaking the law, break the tiniest law makes one a law breaker.
 
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I’m sorry if I sounded snippy. I didn’t mean to.
This thought keeps coming back to me. Why is Mary so important? Because from the beginning, the very beginning, God had a plan that included the Blessed Mother. He could have sent Jesus to us via any other way imaginable… but he had a plan and it was in fact to bless his creation, the way he created his creation. Maybe I’m not making sense. It would have been easy for God to have Jesus descend from the sky from a space ship, to appear from the depths of the sea, to shoot out of a volcano… (nothing is impossible with God) but he chose the simple… to us it is mundane because we are so used to it, women giving birth (ha). God was trying to tell us that his creation/his plan is beautiful just the way he envisions it, even the way he foretold it in Genesis… “And I will put enmity between thee and the woman, and between thy seed and her seed; it shall bruise thy head, and thou shalt bruise his heel.”
And why does she dispense grace? Because the Angel said to her, “Hail, Full of Grace.” I don’t know for sure but I heard that has never been said to another person in the bible…
 
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