It is amazing that Christ founded a Church with Apostolic Succession to lead us into all truths so that we could agree. I can understand the dificulty you have in consideration that John Smythe started the Baptists movement and there is no such thing as an absolute authority or there would no be so many types of Baptists. Hang in there however and you will learn.So let me see if I understand you properly. Which part is the contradiction for you?
Do you not have the Holy Spirit to guide you?
Yes
Do you think that God only gave the Holy Spirit to the apostles?
No
Do you think that the Holy Spirit is unable or unwilling to lead a person down the path of righteousness?
No
Do you think that your magisterium is a modern day apostle?
Yes
I never called the apostles useless, that would be you that said that in your response. I will seek to respond to this further when I understand where exactly you object.
Protestants, scripture says:* “all have sinned and fall short of the glory of God.”* Romans 3:23
Meaning that Mary must have been a sinner too… i found the truth that can separate the confusion with this scripture as they are confused some without condemnation even as they protest that doesnt contradict this scripture nor does it support the misguided claim that Our Mother OF the Church is not a sinner, yet is humble enough to not be self righteous, nor have any deed that those in the fullness of Grace for certain could deny. however if you are saved by Grace yet have not enough grace to be revealed this scriptural fact undeniable when in Total Submission to God and HIs GLORY. you would neither accuse a catholic of worshiping mary, praying to the dead or idolatry. yet if you cannot be saved in Grace and have KNOWLEDGE of your own spiritual pride and sin that is NOT being HELD AGAINST YOU IF YOU ARE IGNORANT OF THAT INFORAMATION GUILTY BY LAW FOR YOUR SIN THAT YOU DONT SEE IS AGAINST THE GLORY OF GOD BUT IF YOU ARE SAVED BY THE BLOOD OF CHRIST AND ARE IN HIS BODY AND YOU DO INDEED KNOW HIM, you came to know him first by a miracle a parable knowing he was born of the Virgin of God, which i encourage you to research the scriptures yourself for the passage in Isiah, where in Old Testament She Who IS Concieved in GRACE and DID NOT SIN BEFORE BIENG TAKEN UP IN BODY AS DID ELIJAH ALSO, she in that BOOK THAT IS THE BODY OF CHRIST THAT DID DIE ON THE CROSS SINLESS and His MOther, God’s Servant, A WOMAN in Isaih WAS TOLD OF A SIGN A LIVING SIGN. PURE AND BLAMELESS BEFORE THE LORD IN HIS PROPHECY OF HER THAT HE GAVE US OUR SAVIOR AS THE LORD’s VIRGIN, before she WAS CONCIEVED IN HER MOTHERS BODY BEFORE SHE WAS TEMPTED AND DID NOT SIN AND EMBRACED SALVATION BLAMELESS as Catholics i find miss the mark saying she COULD NOT SIN, but INDEED SHE THROUGH GRACE DEFEATED SIN AND EMBRACED IN GRACE HER SINNLESSNESS WITHOUT PROCLAIMING IT, before she was born she was CALLED IN OLD TESTAMENT THE VIRGIN GOD WOULD GIVE AS A SIGN THAT JESUS IS CHRIST. and IF you are not able to be in GRACE without the ignorance of thinking that SHE is sinner first then redeemed, then YOU MUST NOT KNOW WHAT YOU WOULD CODEMN YOURSELF BY SAYING AGAINST GOD AND HIS ABIILATY AND HIS SCRIPTURES WHICH ARE HIM if indeed you have salvation and speak these things against God. then I hope you dont get your answer til after you get to heaven. cause alot of charasmatic scripture challenges are indeed not an evil, but thank God the church AS I KNOW IT, ALL the places the SHEEP are scattered in, thank GOD THE SHEEP ONLY HEAR GOD’s VOICE yet can you tell me the errors in your doctrine? can you find the the errors that GOD HAD NOT GIVEN YOU OPPURTUNITY TO KNOW YOU NEED TO REPENT OF YOUR CHURCH"S SPLIT FROM MERCY AND THE GLORY OF GOD IN JESUS EVERY WHERE HE IS? so what then is grace, can you edjucate yourself enough to achieve grace? can the illiterate not be saved? is it easier to be forgiven when you have less knowledge of sin and of the LAW or when you have more? the more you have recieved the more will be required of you. Mary’s requirement for Her PURPOSE IS A SIGN FOR THE END AS WELL AS THE BEGINING OF THE CHURCH AS WELL AS A PERSON A HUMAN A WOMAN. The REVEALATIONS YOU DO NOT HAVE YOU CAN NOT RECIEVE AS JESUS AS YOUR TEACHER IF YOU TEACH YOURSELF AND BE NO BETTER THAN A SCRIBE OR A PHARASEE TO GOD"S CHILDREN< HIS CHURCH AND HIS MOTHER AND HIMSELF, so then be glad for grace because you at the moment can not contain all the glories of salvation if you percieve Mary to have sinned, and do not know better than those who know she did not, though you may decieve and be decieved to know there sin. Peace be with you and also to me. thank you.
Scripture says: For just as through the disobedience of the one man the many were made sinners…" Romans 5:19
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Romans 3:23Protestants, scripture says:* “all have sinned and fall short of the glory of God.”*
NO!!! God said this not Protestants. It is not the fault of Protestants that you choose to employ eisegesis on this passage and try to exempt Mary. God also said that if we say we have no sin then the love of God is not in us, but I guess that doesn’t apply to Mary either. No matter how much quoting you do with all of the caps you add at random areas it does not change what God said.
The absolute authority for Baptists is called the Bible, I realize that as a Catholic you do not understand that since you think the church is as authoritative as the Bible and at times more authoritative. And to add to your issues apostolic successionism is not present in any church today through a physical succession. If you read so church history you will learn that many of the practices of the Catholic Church are absent or in contradiction to the early church…unless you only want to read what the Catholic Church produces.It is amazing that Christ founded a Church with Apostolic Succession to lead us into all truths so that we could agree. I can understand the dificulty you have in consideration that John Smythe started the Baptists movement and there is no such thing as an absolute authority or there would no be so many types of Baptists. Hang in there however and you will learn.
The Catholic Church authoritatively and infallibly decreed which books should belong to the canon of Scripture. So the final authority - the power to bind and loose - rests with her. Moreover, the Scriptures themselves do not teach or definitively interpret their own meanings. The ability to teach and define what is materially and formally presented in the Scriptures rests with the final teaching authority (Magisterium) of the Church.The absolute authority for Baptists is called the Bible, I realize that as a Catholic you do not understand that since you think the church is as authoritative as the Bible and at times more authoritative.
Naturally, since Jesus Christ founded what has always been called the “Catholic Church” since earliest times (cf. St. Ignatius of Antioch, Epistle to the Smyrnaeans 8:2, c.A.D.110). The Baptist clergy, for example, came into existence independently with no connection to the divine office of the Apostles and their successors in the episcopacy once John Smyth established this religious movement at Amsterdam in 1609.And to add to your issues apostolic successionism is not present in any church today through a physical succession.
The early Church did practise infant baptism, as the Catholic Church always has since apostolic time. And the early Church did practise devotion to Mary, as Catholics always have.If you read so church history you will learn that many of the practices of the Catholic Church are absent or in contradiction to the early church…unless you only want to read what the Catholic Church produces.