Mary the mediatrix

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I’m having a hard time with this catholic notion. How can this idea be justified from the Bible?
Mary is invoked in the Church under the title Mediatrix of all grace. All the graces which flow from the redemption of Jesus Christ are granted to the human family through the motherly intercession of Mary.
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We are told to look to our Father in Heaven. Not to Mary.

I’m no Bible dude, but I dont recall Paul, the Apostles, or anyone else in the Bible saying you cant get any graces from God except through Mary.
 
Where did you get that quote?

Catholics think of Mary as ONE of the intecerders for us to God. (at least that is what I have been always taught and since I’ve been in Catholic school all my life I am pretty sure that is credible. I have also done research for myself and I have NEVER found that Mary is the only interceder.)
 
Where did you get that quote?

Catholics think of Mary as ONE of the intecerders for us to God. (at least that is what I have been always taught and since I’ve been in Catholic school all my life I am pretty sure that is credible. I have also done research for myself and I have NEVER found that Mary is the only interceder.)
The quote comes from EWTN
 
This is not an official Marian dogma of the Church so really, Mary as Mediatrix is up for theological speculation right now. People aren’t really expected to understand or accept it, so if you don’t, then that’s alright. 🙂
 
This is not an official Marian dogma of the Church so really, Mary as Mediatrix is up for theological speculation right now. People aren’t really expected to understand or accept it, so if you don’t, then that’s alright. 🙂
Cool. But why have soome popes taught this - surely if the pope teaches it then the catholic faithful are expected to follow suit, or are catholics free to ignore the teachings of the pope?

From the same article:
and several twentieth century popes have officially taught the doctrine of Mary as Mediatrix of all graces, quoting the words of St Bernard: "It is the will of God that we obtain all favours through Mary
Where does the Bible speak of this as the will of God?
 
Have you read the entire article?

This is at the end of the article.

Now, at the summit of the Marian era, what remains is the final proclamation by the Church of this final Marian doctrine as Christian dogma revealed by God.

This means that it is not official doctrine yet. It has to wait until the pope agrees that it is true.

I hope this helps.🙂
 
Have you read the entire article?

This is at the end of the article.

Now, at the summit of the Marian era, what remains is the final proclamation by the Church of this final Marian doctrine as Christian dogma revealed by God.

This means that it is not official doctrine yet. It has to wait until the pope agrees that it is true.

I hope this helps.🙂
Sure does. Thanks. But who are the popes that have already taught this as official in the church as referred to in the article, and if the pope says its so, is it not so?
 
I’m having a hard time with this catholic notion. How can this idea be justified from the Bible?

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We are told to look to our Father in Heaven. Not to Mary.

I’m no Bible dude, but I dont recall Paul, the Apostles, or anyone else in the Bible saying you cant get any graces from God except through Mary.
I think you are reading that as something that must be done, when, it is something that can be done.

You can be a Catholic your entire life and never say prayer one to Mary. Of course, we can, and we do, but we should always have a mind and heart toward Jesus. Mary is a star, who shows us the way to her Son. As a Mother does.
 
Cool. But why have soome popes taught this - surely if the pope teaches it then the catholic faithful are expected to follow suit, or are catholics free to ignore the teachings of the pope?

From the same article:

Where does the Bible speak of this as the will of God?
The Bible doesn’t speak of it because it is simply not true. The Bible actually speaks in opposition to it. Mary plays no role whatsoever in our Salvation. Mary is a special person chosen for a special purpose but saving souls is not that purpose.
 
I think you are reading that as something that must be done, when, it is something that can be done.

You can be a Catholic your entire life and never say prayer one to Mary. Of course, we can, and we do, but we should always have a mind and heart toward Jesus. Mary is a star, who shows us the way to her Son. As a Mother does.
Thanks Rebecca, but Im still struggling - even more so - with these quotes:

St. Bonaventure:

"No one can enter into heaven except through Mary, as entering through a gate.” [31]

Surely that’s just downright blasphemy???

And this one:

Pope Benedict XV

Pope Benedict XV (1914‑1922), writing to Cardinal Gasparri on April 27, 1917, affirms, “… **since all the graces **that the Author of all good designs to bestow upon the poor descendants of Adam are, by favorable design of divine Providence, dispensed through the hands of the most holy Virgin…" [22] In an allocution after the solemn reading of the decree approving the two miracles for the canonization of St. Joan of Arc, Benedict XV replied to the objection of the promoter of the faith for her cause, who objected that one of the two miracles should be attributed to Our Lady. His Holiness states:
"If in every miracle we must recognize the mediation of Mary, through whom, according to God’s will, every grace and blessing comes to us, it must be admitted that in the case of one of these miracles the mediation of the Blessed Virgin manifested itself in a very special way. We believe that God so disposed the matter in order to remind the faithful that the remembrance of Mary must never be excluded, even when it may seem that a miracle is to be attributed to the intercession or the mediation of one of the blessed or one of the saints.” [23]

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Hi, Guy!

We Catholics believe that Mary’s “Behold, I am the handmaid of the Lord; let it be to me according to your word,” is of the greatest importance. She has free will; she could have refused to be the mother of our Lord. Because of this, we admire and revere her as the person through whom we received Jesus.

In that sense, we believe that all the graces Jesus brought to us also came through her. In that sense, she gave them to us.

A lot of the language used about her is flowery and extravagant. And some of it makes me uncomfortable, like the quote "No one can enter into heaven except through Mary, as entering through a gate.” But I would have to see it in context. It sounds like the kind of thing someone might say in defense of Mary’s role.I mean… the saying “Know Mary; know Jesus. No Mary, no Jesus” sounds over the top - until you think about it.

Hope this helps. God bless you,

Ruthie
 
Hi, Guy!

We Catholics believe that Mary’s “Behold, I am the handmaid of the Lord; let it be to me according to your word,” is of the greatest importance. She has free will; she could have refused to be the mother of our Lord. Because of this, we admire and revere her as the person through whom we received Jesus.
Ruthie sorry to jump in here but I see this claim made by Catholics all the time and it makes no sense at all. No disrespect but Mary did not have the option of saying no. She was told she would conceive and have a child. The Angel did not ask her for permission. You implication is that our salvation depended on Mary’s cooperation which is again, no disrespect to you, but quite ridiculous. Let’s say Mary would have said no I can’t handle this. Then what? Do you really think GOD would be scratching HIS head saying wow now what 🤷
In that sense, we believe that all the graces Jesus brought to us also came through her. In that sense, she gave them to us.
No this is incorrect thinking. It’s because of GOD’s grace that HE sent Jesus to us. Jesus is the propitiation for our sins. It’s how we are justified before GOD. That’s like saying the woman who gave birth to the man who cures cancer is responsible for the cure. Ultimately it’s GOD’s will.
A lot of the language used about her is flowery and extravagant. And some of it makes me uncomfortable, like the quote "No one can enter into heaven except through Mary, as entering through a gate.” But I would have to see it in context. It sounds like the kind of thing someone might say in defense of Mary’s role.I mean… the saying “Know Mary; know Jesus. No Mary, no Jesus” sounds over the top - until you think about it.
Hope this helps. God bless you,
Just keep one thing in mind. Scripture tells us that there is one GOD and one mediator, Jesus Christ. The Greek word used for one is heis which means absolutely one exclusive of any other. Paul uses this term to refer to one GOD and one mediator. So it’s clear that there can’t be another unless Paul’s use of the word heis somehow implies more than one GOD. We both know that is not true. Bonaventure is quoting complete blasphemy and is consistent with what the apparition at Fatima told the children. That she was now the way to GOD in Heaven. It’s scary how the RC even gives credence to this. Again no disrespect to you and forgive me if I sounded too harsh 🙂
 
The Bible doesn’t speak of it because it is simply not true. The Bible actually speaks in opposition to it. Mary plays no role whatsoever in our Salvation. Mary is a special person chosen for a special purpose but saving souls is not that purpose.
You are SO right, my friend. I expect that even those words as they are phrased make Jesus’ skin crawl. Here are three things that, in my humble opinion, this teaching does:

1.It grossly contradicts the doctrines of Jesus being the source and provider of our grace.
  1. It begs the question as to whether those who teach it have any true personal knowledge of the grace that is alive in Christ.
  2. The fact that popes have disagreed further demonstrates that the claim to authority by them is a vain one.
 
I’m having a hard time with this catholic notion. How can this idea be justified from the Bible?

:confused:

We are told to look to our Father in Heaven. Not to Mary.

I’m no Bible dude, but I dont recall Paul, the Apostles, or anyone else in the Bible saying you cant get any graces from God except through Mary.
Please read John 2:1-11
 
Ruthie sorry to jump in here but I see this claim made by Catholics all the time and it makes no sense at all. No disrespect but Mary did not have the option of saying no. She was told she would conceive and have a child. The Angel did not ask her for permission. You implication is that our salvation depended on Mary’s cooperation which is again, no disrespect to you, but quite ridiculous. Let’s say Mary would have said no I can’t handle this. Then what? Do you really think GOD would be scratching HIS head saying wow now what 🤷

No this is incorrect thinking. It’s because of GOD’s grace that HE sent Jesus to us. Jesus is the propitiation for our sins. It’s how we are justified before GOD. That’s like saying the woman who gave birth to the man who cures cancer is responsible for the cure. Ultimately it’s GOD’s will.

Just keep one thing in mind. Scripture tells us that there is one GOD and one mediator, Jesus Christ. The Greek word used for one is heis which means absolutely one exclusive of any other. Paul uses this term to refer to one GOD and one mediator. So it’s clear that there can’t be another unless Paul’s use of the word heis somehow implies more than one GOD. We both know that is not true. Bonaventure is quoting complete blasphemy and is consistent with what the apparition at Fatima told the children. That she was now the way to GOD in Heaven. It’s scary how the RC even gives credence to this. Again no disrespect to you and forgive me if I sounded too harsh 🙂
Are there Rcc teachers on record as actually saying, "No one can enter into heaven except through Mary, as entering through a gate.”??? I dare you to tell me there are!
 
Are there Rcc teachers on record as actually saying, "No one can enter into heaven except through Mary, as entering through a gate.”??? I dare you to tell me there are!
I don’t know. But is it, or can it, not be at the very least misleading for such quotes from saints and popes to be propagated, given the devotion catholics have to various saints and popes.

Thanks Ruthie, and others, for your replies. But it’s still not a whole lot clearer to me. maybe the problem is with the exaggerated language that is used :confused:
 
From the Dogmatic Constitution on the Church.
  1. There is but one Mediator as we know from the words of the apostle, “for there is one God and one mediator of God and men, the man Christ Jesus, who gave himself a redemption for all”.(298) The maternal duty of Mary toward men in no wise obscures or diminishes this unique mediation of Christ, but rather shows His power. For all the salvific influence of the Blessed Virgin on men originates, not from some inner necessity, but from the divine pleasure. It flows forth from the superabundance of the merits of Christ, rests on His mediation, depends entirely on it and draws all its power from it. In no way does it impede, but rather does it foster the immediate union of the faithful with Christ.
Feel free to read the whole section “On the Blessed Virgin and the Church” to better understand the Catholic understanding of Mary’s role in history and in the Church. 🙂
 
I’m having a hard time with this catholic notion. How can this idea be justified from the Bible?
The idea of asking the holy ones to intercede for us before God with their prayers is biblical and it’s apostolic. The Old Testament reveals that God’s servants can in some capacity intercede on behalf of his people. Such figures include Abraham (Gen 18: 22-26), Moses (Exo 32: 30-32), Jeremiah (Jer 42: 1-5), and David ( 1 Chron 21: 17, 26-27).

In the New Testament Christians are exhorted to pray for one another, which clearly shows they weren’t expected to believe that they could receive graces from God only by praying for themselves directly to the Father isolated from the Church ( cf. Jas 5:16) Intercessory prayer, as a form of human factual mediation, was encouraged by the apostles. Indeed, the apostles themselves mediated on behalf of the Church by their prayers and asked members of the community to pray for them (cf. Col 1:9; 2 Thess 3:1). Couldn’t the apostles have only gone into their own rooms and directly pray to the Father on their own behalf? They could have, but they didn’t because the apostles believed in the power of human intercessory prayer.

John assures us that we can receive our Lord’s grace through Mary’s intercession. This is one of the important lessons the evangelist teaches to the Christian community in his narrative of the wedding feast at Cana. Jesus performed his first miracle, which inaugurated his ministry, through the merciful solicitation of his mother. Our Blessed Mother’s intercession did in a sense serve to dispense the grace of our salvation. Our Lord’s hour had in fact arrived, since the start of his ministry was overshadowed by the shedding of his Precious Blood represented by the element of wine. Mary served our Lord as a steward of his grace at this event. Her solicitation on behalf of the wedding guests, who stand for those who attend the wedding feast of the Lamb in the Apocalypse, is a demonstration of the power of human intercessory prayer. And it signifies the great mediatory influence Mary holds as the mother of our Lord in God’s plan of salvation. All Mary had to say was “They have no wine” for our Lord’s hour to arrive. It was only this most important miracle Jesus had performed through the mediation of his mother.

Not unlike Abraham, Moses, David, Jeremiah, and Paul, Mary is a factual mediator in God’s plan of salvation that calls for human collaboration in the divine initiative. But Mary’s role is greater than that of the others. For the Mother of our Lord is more closely linked to the event of salvation by virtue of the Incarnation. The Word was made flesh through Mary’s free consent to be the mother of the Messiah. Her Divine Maternity marks the uniqueness of her mediation on our behalf. And it’s because of her close personal relationship with Jesus as his mother that she wields the most powerful intercessory influence with our Lord in the order of grace.

Mary is the Mediatrix of all Grace because by her humble ‘Fiat’ she gave us Grace Himself: our Lord and Saviour Jesus Christ (Jn 1:16-17). For no other reason did Jesus postpone the arrival of his hour until his mother should accordingly solicit him to perform his first miracle and begin his ministry under the shadow of the cross. Jesus honoured his mother’s request at the wedding feast because she consented to bear the Source of all Grace who would redeem the world. For the same reason our Lord and Saviour grants the requests of his Blessed Mother in heaven on our behalf. The graces we receive through Mary’s prayerful intercession originate from the Father and are given by the Holy Spirit in conformity with the divine will of the Son that is one with the Father.

God does not channel his graces only through the mediation of Mary. You misunderstand the quote. Every true disciple of our Lord “should use whatever gift he has received to serve others, faithfully administering God’s grace in its various forms” (1 Pet 4:10). For all of Christ’s true disciples are “stewards of God’s grace” (Eph 3:2). We share our grace according to our gifts or calling. Peter and Paul served to channel God’s grace through prayer and sacrifice as apostles. Their ministries embodied a form of factual mediation in God’s plan of salvation. Jesus does not wish to save us all by himself (Sola Christu). Paul insists that we are all partakers of his grace (cf. Phil 1:7) because he himself is a “minister of grace” (Eph 3:7).

Mary had served as a type of minister of grace while on earth, and she still does in heaven by praying for us in the Communion of Saints. But Elizabeth asks: “How does this happen to me, that the mother of my Lord should come to me” (Lk 1:43)? That’s because Mary, the Mediatrix of all Grace, brought us the Source of All Grace, for which reason she was created perfected in grace (Lk 1:28). She mediates a fullness of grace unlike any grace we have received “according to the measure of the gift in Christ” (Eph 4:7) and is not ours alone, but ours to share. By petitioning Mary we become partakers of the fullness of grace she has received. No other saint has the intercessory power she has to unite us with her divine Son.

“With the Mediator you are the Mediatrix of the world.”
Ephraem (A,D. 373)
 
I believe She is! Mother Mary has brought me closer to Jesus. If Jesus can come to us through Her, then His grace can pour down upon us through Her.

She is full of grace. If She can share with us the love of God and most of all - Jesus, She can share with us whatever God has given to Her.
 
I believe She is! Mother Mary has brought me closer to Jesus. If Jesus can come to us through Her, then His grace can pour down upon us through Her.

She is full of grace. If She can share with us the love of God and most of all - Jesus, She can share with us whatever God has given to Her.
I disagree.
 
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