Mary, the New Eve?

[cfrancis]

Who is to say what should be canonized? I have seen recently on EWTN that a woman was canonized, a woman who penned “know that doctors can go where priests cannot go” or something to that effect, saying that these people have a duty which a priest cannot fulfill… excuse me!? I thought that it said “go preach the gospel, lay hands on the sick, and they will recover!” if you do not have healings, what exactly are you preaching??? So, you can “canonize” what ever you want. It’s funny how a quote from the book of Enoch made it into the canon in the book of James, but the book itself did not.
What is truly important is simply that we have the old testament - that is plenty of canon right there. Paul and Peter tell us to read those writings and Jesus tells us that they are spirit and life, and they sanctify us. “sanctify them in the truth: thy word is truth” John 17:17. The problem comes when men desire to make a name stand, rather than depend on the Lord’s power, which had departed to a great degree by the time men stood up to try to physically FORCE the church together by letters and physical documents, rather than by being dependent on the Lord’s grace. Paul told us what to read: the old testament, “which is able to make you wise unto salvation”.

Until you, I had never come across anyone who claims to be an “Old Testament-only” Christian. Very interesting…
You need someone to tell you what is and what isn’t Scripture so you can toss around verses like Jn 17:17 (BTW, Jn 17:17 is not about the OT).
How else do you know Peter and Paul’s writings are inspired by God?

The doctrine of a “trinity” is NOT important. I can read the Scripture and see that there is a Father, who gives His Son, and that the Son said He would send the Helper, the Spirit of Truth, and that this Person was the Administrator in the Church Acts 15:28. I do not need a title “trinity”. The essence is more important than the word “trinity”. It exists as truth with or without it.

Huh? The doctrine of the Trinity is not important? Wow. Tell that to the early Christians who fought against the Arian and Nestorian heresies.
Yes, the truth of the Trinity has always existed; but until that truth was revealed in a way the human intellect could express it, that truth was assaulted and bastardized. The doctrine of the Trinity the reason you know what that truth is.

 

[dan1el]

I have recently discovered the blessing in reading the old testament scriptures together with asking the Holy Spirit to speak to me and correct me. If anyone does this, the Holy Spirit will use the Scriptures as a mirror so that you can see your faults and defects and the Father Himself speaks to you and counsels you; it is really wonderful. Read Numbers, Deuteronomy, and Joshua, and ask the Spirit of God to speak to you through them, and you will experience it for yourself. God bless you.

I do not think the “trinity” is really that important because God will speak and work in your life whether someone has told you about a trinity or not. Maybe the only reason to proclaim it would be to stop people from creating various heresies.

 

[dan1el]

Well, of course. When the Church is a type of Mary (or is it the other day around?), then the Church and Mary being the New Eve is entirely consistent with Catholic Doctrine.
What? Moses wasn’t a type of Jesus? Joshua? Elisha? Mary, through Scripture is the type you mention.

Yes, but they are taken from Holy Scripture, Scripture written by the Holy Spirit - which every “new testament” doctrine implores us to read. Miriam is mentioned ONCE; she served her purpose, and there is nothing more to speak of her. If anything, the Queen is the Bride. But I do have to look up that thing about Jewish tradition.

The most obvious and literal interpetation would be that the Woman is Mary. The less obvious is that it could be Jerusalem.

 

[NotWorthy]

Yes, but they are taken from Holy Scripture, Scripture written by the Holy Spirit - which every “new testament” doctrine implores us to read. Miriam is mentioned ONCE; she served her purpose, and there is nothing more to speak of her. If anything, the Queen is the Bride. But I do have to look up that thing about Jewish tradition.

Where else does Scripture speak of Jesus? In Daniel 2, it speaks of the rock which was cut out of the Mountain which crushes the feet of the statue of human control/government.

The Rock = Jesus
The Mountain = Mount Zion/New Jerusalem (which is only called “New” in comparison to the type and shadow of it which was given to the Jews).

“Jerusalem above is free, and the mother of us all.” Gal 4:26
There are bodies of water all over the earth; the catholic church is not the only body of water. Remember also how the Kingdom was ripped from the established Jewish religious people (who had the temples, the laws, etc.,) and given to a people who would bring forth the fruit of it Matt 21:43 (of which King Saul/David was a type and shadow and warning: Saul added and subtracted to God’s word, but David was a man of faith towards God because He loved God’s word – how else would he have known not to touch the Lord’s anointined? or why would he approach a giant philistine, calling him “uncircumcised”, that is, that circumcision was a sign of the covenant, meaning that he could without a doubt defeat the giant because he had strong faith in his God, that God was on his side, and had read about how Joshua took the land with God fighting on his side); we cannot rest in our name “Christian” “Catholic”, etc.
Just as there are waters in the earth beneath and waters in the heavens above - the both of which God will open up in the last day, which is compared to the flood of Noah, wherein God opened the floodgates from above and the depths from beneath in order to flood the earth Gen 7:11 (Jesus said that whoever drank of his living water, it would turn into a well of water within them: an aquifer), even so, we have the Kingom of the Heavens in the earth and the Kingdom of the Heavens above. Let it be here as it is there. As we maintain fellowship with Jesus, what we allow is allowed; what we disallow is disallowed; this is why certain people must be excluded, because they contaminate by their very presence Heb 12:15.

Jesus is the Rock, the Door, the Light, the Vine, the Bread… etc., etc., etc.

You are proving nothing with this rant.

 

[Karen1960]

Mary is the new Eve.
Also the Church is the new Eve.

Mary, born without sin, just as Eve was created without sin. The difference is Mary obeyed, Eve did not.

The Church, Christ created is pure. Now, some may say, corruption took place, such and such happened, but the Church that Jesus Christ created is pure without sin. Men may have sinned against it, used the Church for their own benefit, but The Holy Catholic Church is still pure, these men have sinned not The Church.

 

[Ruthie]

f, because of one man’s trespass, death reigned through that one man, much more will those who receive the abundance of grace and the free gift of righteousness reign in life through the one man Jesus Christ. Romans 5:17 (RSV)

(“Man” is “anthropos” in the Greek - so it is gender-neutral.)

Adam and Eve brought sin into the world. Eve cooperated with the serpent, and gave Adam the fruit.

Jesus and Mary brought salvation into the world: Mary cooperated with God and gave us her Son.

If Jesus is the new Adam, then Mary is the new Eve. It has nothing to do with who was whose wife or mother; it has to do with their cooperation in the plan.

Pretty simple when you think about it.

(No, I am NOT equating Mary with Jesus. He is the way, the truth, and the light. She isn’t; she’s His mother.)

God bless us all,

Ruthie