Mask situation in your church

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Same here in Liverpool. Numbers strictly limited, mask wearing throughout Mass, Communion directed by ushers, and socially distanced exit immediately afterwards - no returning to the benches.
 
farronwolf said:
So I imagine you didn’t actually read the links in the CDC article of the studies on face masked that you posted. I saved you some time and copied portions of the conclusions from those individual studies, since the “science” doesn’t support wearing face masks.
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I read the entire article several times and I certainly did not read the 50 references.

I stick with the following from the Abstract:

Although mechanistic studies support the potential effect of hand hygiene or face masks, evidence from 14 randomized controlled trials of these measures DID NOT support a substantial effect on transmission of laboratory-confirmed influenza. We similarly found limited evidence on the effectiveness of improved hygiene and environmental cleaning. We identified several major knowledge gaps requiring further research, most fundamentally an improved characterization of the modes of person-to-person transmission.

AND from the “Discussion” which is sometimes called the “Conclusion”:

We DID NOT FIND evidence that surgical-type face masks are effective in reducing laboratory-confirmed influenza transmission, either when worn by infected persons (source control) or by persons in the general community to reduce their susceptibility (Figure 2). However, as with hand hygiene, face masks might be able to reduce the transmission of other infections and therefore have value in an influenza pandemic when healthcare resources are stretched.

BTW, I saw my cardiologist last week and I handed him a copy of the study because when I saw him six months ago, he said there was some evidence that masks help stop the spread of a virus.

He took a quick look at it along with the few highlights I had in it and said “interesting.”
I asked him if he had ever seen it and he said no, but he would take a look at it. And then I asked him to email me or call me if he thinks I should change my opinion on masks and I haven’t heard from him yet.
 
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farronwolf said:
Or one could simply say, I found something that supports my position and am sticking with it, no matter what else is out there. I find a lot of folks do that regarding climate change. Doesn’t make them right though.
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😃. Religion & Politics!!!

Both Climate Change & Covid are more political than science.

If Climate Change has more to do with the big yellow thing in the sky and an Ice Age cometh, I guess that there will be a big “Ooops!!”

I’m a big supporter of climate change, I just don’t agree with the politicization of it. It’s another thing that divides us as a country.

Thomas
 
Many N95 masks are specifically designed to expel your breath entirely. These masks are designed for CONTAMINATED environments. That means when you exhale through N95 the design is that you are exhaling into contamination. The exhales from N95 masks are vented to breathe straight out without filtration. They DO NOT filter the air on the way out. So much for “protecting others.”

Surgical masks were designed and approved for STERILE environments. The number of particles and contaminants in the outside and indoor environments where people are, are CLOGGING these masks very, VERY quickly. The moisture from your breath combined with the clogged mask will render it “useless” IF you come in contact with Covid and your mask traps it, YOU become a walking virus dispenser. Every time you put your mask on you are breathing the germs from EVERYWHERE you went. They should be changed or thrown out every 20-30 minutes in a non-sterile environment. Most telling is what is written right on the box of the standard surgical mask: “This product is not a respirator and WILL NOT provide any protection against COVID-19 (Coronavirus) or other viruses or contaminants.”

Cloth masks are the WORST. It is equivalent to using a chain link fence to stop mosquitos. They offer NO FILTERING whatsoever. As you exhale, you are ridding your lungs of contaminants and carbon dioxide. Cloth masks trap this carbon dioxide the best. It actually risks your health, rather than protect it. The moisture caught in these masks can become mildew ridden overnight. Dry coughing, enhanced allergies, sore throat are all symptoms of a micro-mold in your mask.

Healthy people wearing masks accomplishes nothing. Sick people wearing masks creates reservoirs of disease. They touch and fiddle with and adjust and raise or lower their masks dozens or hundreds of times a day, getting a good glop of viral load, and then go touching things. People typically remove the mask improperly creating additional problems. Mask maniacs are spreading the disease, not stopping it.

We are going to lose our country because people cannot wait to give up their rights and liberty. What happened to “my body my choice?” Guess what: the Constitution does not end when people get sick; particularly when only 600,000 people world-wide have died from COVID-19. And most of that is not directly. Not to mention the guys who die of “COVID” from motorcycle crashes and falling out of a building. Last year 1.5 MILLION people died of tuberculosis and we were not wearing masks and standing six feet apart. WAKE UP! It is a scam designed to control you, keep you scared and get you to conform.

Listen to the song and lyrics of one of my favorite songs. Above and Beyond’s Blue Sky Action. Written years ago, but it can be interpreted for this. Tired of life…well of the burdens being forced upon us. I want you to be “breathing today” and I want to see your “smiling” as you go out and the sun shining world we are living in:
 
Thomas54 said:
If Climate Change has more to do with the big yellow thing in the sky and an Ice Age cometh, I guess that there will be a big “Ooops!!”
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As an engineer, I find it difficult to believe that you can’t see how humans contribute to the warming of the globe.

What is a by product of energy creation? Heat. How much of every automobiles extra energy production that isn’t put towards motion is released as this? How much of the energy we create for power is released as heat? Why are large metropolitan areas hotter than the surrounding areas? Because they serve as giant heat sinks.

Name anything that man does that doesn’t produce heat as a result? Heck, even our metabolism creates heat.

Nope, humans aren’t affecting global temperatures at all.
 
farronwolf said:
As an engineer, I find it difficult to believe that you can’t see how humans contribute to the warming of the globe.
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I did not say that we don’t contribute to environmental change, whether it be warming or cooling, it’s just that it may be insignificant compared to the big yellow thing. 😃

Long before our world became industrialized, we had thousands/millions of years of climate change.

Your average Joe doesn’t know jack squat about science and they believe whatever they see in the media, especially when they talk about computer models, which are a joke. If I remember correctly, wasn’t it the discredited scientist in England whose computer model predicted 2 million deaths in the US?

https://www.cato.org/blog/how-one-model-simulated-22-million-us-deaths-covid-19

Now that climate change has become politicized, I don’t believe that we can be sure about any of the science.

We’re quite a bit off the “mask at church” topic here, but I think that the science for masks should be challenged just like the supposed facts for Man-made climate change.

Thomas
 
There were a total of 9025 cases of tuberculosis in the US in 2018. That’s a far cry from the number of cases of COVID 19. There were 84,304 cases in 1953 and it has decreased steadily since then, save for a few upticks here and there. Same can be said for Canada. It’s usually transmitted through very close contact and can be treated and cured with medication.

In 2018, 87% of new TB cases occurred in the 30 high TB burden countries. Eight countries accounted for two thirds of the new TB cases: India, China, Indonesia, Philippines, Pakistan, Nigeria, Bangladesh and South Africa.
 
crusadermanj said:
Here is a very good article about the debate of mask requirements at Mass. Makes a very good case that its just a plant to keep Christians away from the sacraments ultimately. I agree obviously as I have not been to Mass in months myself because of it. I won’t wear those horrid things.

Can We be Required to Wear Masks at Mass? - Canon Law Made EasyCanon Law Made Easy
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It’s your choice not to go to church and receive Communion, all because you don’t want to wear a mask. You can’t put the blame on someone else and say they are keeping you from receiving Communion.

In our province we must wear one when entering any public building. In church (and theatres) we can remove them once seated but we must put them back on to move about, including when we process to Communion. And as of today we must wear them if we want to sing. That doesn’t keep anyone from receiving Communion. Most of those in attendance this morning received.

Personally, because I dislike touching my mask too often, I put it on before entering the church, take it off just before I put my hands out to receive Communion, replace it once I’ve placed the Host in my mouth and leave it on until I get back in my car after Mass.
 
That is not true. Jesus said “Come to me”. Placing restrictions such as keeping you from breathing does not do this. The clergy is openly stopping people from being in the presence of Our Lord and from receiving the sacraments by supporting these mandates which are made by the hostile civil authorities. You think governors like Cuomo and Northam have the Catholic Church’s best interest in mind?

Oh yeah to wear a mask when walking around a restaurant which is 2% of your stay there and not wear one at the table? What kind of sense in the world does that make? Society has gone mad with the reaction this pandemic. Making up all sorts of things that make no sense. Read my posts from above in the thread explaining this further. You can’t defend nonsense Mr or Ms. Phemie. The face cover mandates is 100% politics.
 
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crusadermanj said:
That is not true. Jesus said “Come to me”. Placing restrictions such as keeping you from breathing does not do this. The clergy is openly stopping people from being in the presence of Our Lord and from receiving the sacraments by supporting these mandates which are made by the hostile civil authorities. You think governors like Cuomo and Northam have the Catholic Church’s best interest in mind?

Oh yeah to wear a mask when walking around a restaurant which is 2% of your stay there and not wear one at the table? What kind of sense in the world does that make? Society has gone mad with the reaction this pandemic. Making up all sorts of things that make no sense. Read my posts from above in the thread explaining this further. You can’t defend nonsense Mr or Ms. Phemie. The face cover mandates is 100% politics.
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Masks don’t stop you from breathing or surgeons would be passing out on the job all the time. And they wear their surgical mask for the same reason we’re asked to wear one, to avoid getting their cooties on their patients.

YOU don’t want to wear a mask so you’re going to make it all about “the bad people who want to keep you away from Jesus”. Those of us who do wear them and are perfectly able to receive Jesus if we want to, are not buying into your blaming of others for your choice.
 
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Great article from The Remnant about the occult around the mask mandates. “We have to acknowledge that the Covid phenomenon could be occult. What has it done? It has shut down parishes and religious schools, denied the sacraments to believers, and discouraged church attendance generally.”

 
It is not a personal insult sir. Its the reality of the situation. There is no shades of grey here. Supporting these mandates is indefensible. To claim it is for “safety” is getting more and more debunked every day as things are put in perspective.

COVID-19 SURVIVAL RATES (per CDC):
Ages 0-19: 99.997%
Ages 20-49: 99.98%
Ages 50-69: 99.5%
Ages 70+: 94.6%

Sept 24, 2020

And there is a spiritual element in this. Computing Forever’s channel on youtube nails it good here.
 
crusadermanj said:
The masks mandates are nothing but a tool of The State to keep us afraid so that we can worship them. Not Jesus. Supporting the mandates means you are on the side of the secularists. Not Christains.
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So Bishops who came out early (and there were some) who required masks at Liturgy before individual states mandated it are on the side of secularists and want their flock to worship the state, and not Jesus?
 
crusadermanj said:
Yes no doubt. Bishops are very much in cooperation with The State nowadays. The funds from the bishop’s appeals are drying up as people see the corruption. So they rely on the government for the cash now.
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If you really believe that our Bishops want us to worship the state, I don’t think I have anything left to say here.
 
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