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It appears that a lot of silliness results when the subject of masons comes up in this forum. Here are some facts about masons:
  1. Masons don’t worship the devil.
  2. Freemasonry has a history of anticatholicism.
  3. Freemasonry is similar enough to protestantism that Catholics are not allowed to join.
The end.
 
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CheesusPowerKid:
My mom was looking through our Catholic dictionary, and it said that very recently the Vatican and Freemasons have made a better understanding with eachother, and that certain laypeople of the Catholic Church have been allowed to become masons. But enrollment in the freemasons is still prohibited to ordained ministers, and any layperson who joins is given extreme caution.
Whatever reference book offered that for an explanation is absolutely irrevocably incorrect. Look up masons on the search tool within the forum and you as we’ve all mentioned before can read up on it.
 
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streetcar:
I’ve been told when I turn 21 I have an open invitation to join the Masons. I’d like to attend a meeting and see what they’re all about.
Since you list yourself as Protestant that’s entirely up to you.
 
Went to the Rose parade yesterday and I was shocked to read this on their wagon ‘All shriners are masons’. Although I knew that they were, it seemed to me that they were flaunting the fact right in front of my face. :tsktsk:

Blessings,
Shoshana
 
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Absurdum:
It appears that a lot of silliness results when the subject of masons comes up in this forum. Here are some facts about masons:
  1. Masons don’t worship the devil.
  2. Freemasonry has a history of anticatholicism.
  3. Freemasonry is similar enough to protestantism that Catholics are not allowed to join.
    The end.
I think this(above) is a very good summation.
I personally know some very fine Protestant Christians who are Masons. I also know some very fine Protestant Christians who have left the Masons, because it seemed to contradict their faith. None of these people are worshiping satan.
Masonry is antiCatholic, though not as strongly in the US as in some other countries.(The story re Padre Pio makes perfect sense, as Italy has some of the most anti Catholic Masons; so does Scotland). For this reason, I think that it is no doubt true, that Catholics would not want to be Masons. (Excomunication I don’t know about, being Methodist).
As far as the material on the mailbox, that sounds more like the KKK, or another hate group. Also, it is illegal to fasten anything to a mailbox. If you still have the material, take it to the police and/or postal authorities. If not, call & inform them of what happened. I do not think that this is Masons! I think that it is someone that needs to be caught, before they do morer than leave nasty flyers! Please inform the authorities!! This is seriously weird & scary. It needs to be investigated.
 
“Today the Church and the Order of Freemasons have a greater understanding and often work together on charitable and civic enterprises, but the prohibition of Catholic membership is still in force. On September 18, 1974, the Congregation of the Doctrine of the Faith stated an exception, saying that Catholic lay persons may join Masonic lodges that do not plot against the Church: ‘In considering particular cases, it must be remembered that penal law is always subject to strict interpretation. Therefore, one may safely teach and apply the opinion of those authors who hold that c. 1374 refers only to Catholics who join associations which plot against the Church.’ Excluded were members of the clergy, religious, and secular institutes who are still denied any Masonic membership.”

Broderick, Robert C. The Catholic Encyclopedia. Thomas Nelson Publishers: Nashville, Tennessee, 1987.

That’s where I got it from:) Maybe I misquoted, sorry:) I honestly don’t know enough about it to state an opinion:)
In Him,
Britty
 
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Chazemataz:
They allow Chrsitisans, Jews, Muslims, Islams, and other Jeudo-Christian religions into their group.
Hence the claim that they promote indifferentism.

In reference to “Grand Architect of the Universe”, and to quote what I often here, where is **that **in the Bible? (That would be the Holy Bible, not the Satanic Bible 😃 )
 
Dear Lost&Found,

Why the hostility??

As I stated in post #7, I’m not a Free Mason and I’m not trying to recruit. But in the interest of tolerance and understanding I wanted to dispel the lie that Free Masons worship Satan.

Sir Knight posted this lie here with no reference or quote to back it up. That kind of dishonest “bomb throwing” happens all the time on the internet. When I see bigotry I try to confront it. And as I stated before, all the Free Masons I know are honorable Christians. From reading the other posts here it seems the people that actually know Free Masons have had the same experience as me.

Shoshana,
What is wrong with the Shriners informing people that they are Masons (all Shriners are Masons)? I don’t understand what the problem is.
 
**Freemasons – Current Status
**QUESTION from . Bro. Ignatius **November 7, 2000

Dear Suzanne:

Just a followup on the status of the Freemasons (Masons) in the Church:

The anti-Catholicism of the Freemasons in the past century moved the Church to codify in the 1917 Code of Canon Law a prohibition against Catholics joining the Masons because the Masons were not only anti-Catholic, but specifically plotted against the Church.

At the time of the revision of the Code of Canon Law in 1983 many Bishops, especially in Germany, wanted to maintain a specific mention of Masons in Canon Law, but this was rejected because the problem was not perceived to be a universal one needing a general universal provision. (Including this in Canon Law would make it a global statute, when it was perceived that this problem was no longer global, but regional).

Thus, while the Code of Canon Law of 1983 (canon 1374) still prohibits Catholics from joining anti-Catholic groups plotting against the Church, the Freemasons are no longer specifically mentioned.

The lack of specific mention allows the Church to more spontaneously make a ruling on the issue from time to time as conditions warrant and local bishops to determine the state of the situation in their diocese.

Given the lack of mention of Masons in the 1983 Code of Canon Law, the Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith took steps to make it clear that this lack of mention in Canon Law did not change the Church’s view about Masonry. Thus on November 26, 1983 the Congregation issued a “Declaration on Masonic Associations”.

This “declaration” stated that the Church’s position on the Masons had not changed. Catholic membership in Masonic lodges is therefore still prohibited.

It stated that any Catholic who joins the Masons is involved in serious sin and is therefore barred from the Eucharist.

The reason for this declaration is that even if the Masons were no longer plotting against the Catholic Church, the very nature and beliefs of the Masons are irreconcilable with Catholic doctrine.

The issues involving the Masons have not been definitively concluded and will likely develop further. The traditional principles of moral theology, of course, still apply here as to the “mortalness” of a Catholic joining the Masons.

But it is certainly clear that the opinion of the Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith, who is in charge of protecting us Catholics against those things contrary to the Faith, has strongly asserted that membership in the Masons is irreconcilable with being a Catholic. Even apart from this, any Catholic with half a brain and with eyes open should be able to discern the irreconcilable nature of Masonic teaching with that of Catholic doctrine. But then again, the Masons are good at subtlety. Interestingly, in the initiation ceremony for joining Masons is the principle of “hoodwinking” (place a hood over the candidate until such time he is allowed to be exposed to the “light”). What a coincidence. Masons hoodwink people – blind them to the TRUTH and initiate them to a false truth whereby only with commitment to a false truth may the hood be removed. Personally, as a soldier in Spiritual Warfare, I consider the Masons to be the most dangerous cult on the planet. Why? Because of their great subtlety. Satan is far more dangerous when he acts covertly and subtlety than when he boldly gets in your face

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Thankyou,Shoshana:clapping: I am afraid most of us have to see a Jeffery Dalmer situation before you recognize the devils involvement,if that was the only way satan had to trick and seduce us we would be in pretty good shape.:ehh:
 
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Lisa4Catholics:
Thankyou,Shoshana:clapping: I am afraid most of us have to see a Jeffery Dalmer situation before you recognize the devils involvement,if that was the only way satan had to trick and seduce us we would be in pretty good shape.:ehh:
Code:
You are very welcome Lisa! 🙂
 
Casen,

You show up here handing out sunshine and lollipops, yet we can easily find your anti-Catholic hate propaganda in many recent books, one being the history for Da Vinci Code.

For this reason your credibility runs very, very low.

Don’t try to discredit our honorable member again or I will report you to the moderators.

Too bad you and your Masons buddies can’t find yourself a nice protestant forum for your recruitment projects.
 
There are many organizational alternatives to the Masons. There’s the Knights of Columbus (for men) the Legion of Mary, and my personal favorite of which I am a member,

The Knights of the Immaculata, this group was started by Saint Maximilian Kolbe, the myrter of Auschwitz (did I spell that right).

go to www.consecration.com to learn more about him and this wonderful organization.
 
Lost&Found said: You show up here handing out sunshine and lollipops, yet we can easily find your anti-Catholic hate propaganda in many recent books, one being the history for Da Vinci Code.

Why the anger? As I said before, I’m not trying to recruit for the Masons and I’m not one myself. But Sir Knight posted a serious accusation that Free Masons worship Satan without anything to back it up and I simply pointed out that he is just plain wrong. Why are you attaching anti-Catholic hate propaganda to me? I have nothing but good feelings towards the Catholic church.

RE: *Don’t try to discredit our honorable member again or I will report you to the moderators. *

Perhaps Sir Knight is indeed a respected contributor to the forum but in this case he’s simply wrong. I asked him to document his incendiary accusation and so far he hasn’t been up to the challenge. I suspect thats because he’s got nothing to back it up accept rumor or perhaps some links to anti-masonry websites. If correcting a lie is against the forum rules then please go ahead and turn me over to the moderator.

RE: Too bad you and your Masons buddies can’t find yourself a nice protestant forum for your recruitment projects.

I don’t understand why there is such hostility about this topic. I’m not trying to recruit! I’m only trying to dispel the lies and falsehoods that have been posted here. If there’s any hate or anger on this thread it’s certainly not coming from my direction. Who’s behaving more like a Christian?
 
I agree with Casen that Freemasonry is not satanism. I understand, however, that freemasonry is incompatible with Catholicism because it promotes religious indifferentism. In other words, freemasonry teaches that all religions have the same merit, that none is the absolutel truth, and that one can get to heaven by being a good Catholic, a good mormon, a good muslim, a good buddist, a good druid, or whatever. One cannot hold to religious indifferentism and still be a good Catholic. Hence, one cannot be a good Mason and a good Catholic.

Yes, there are misguided Catholics who are freemasons that think they are not engaged in a practice that is inconsistent with Catholic teaching. They are laboring under the false belief that Masonry is now acceptable when in fact the Church has always recognized that the philosphy that underpins Masonry is inconsistent with Catholicism.
 
Can we back off some of the personal attacks? Casen is right in defending anything he thought was an unjustified attack. If you do not agree, address what he said, not who he is.

That way we can get back to attacking Masons!😃
 
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Casen:
… Sir Knight posted this lie here with no reference or quote to back it up …
Lies? No proof? How about this taken directly from the Grand Lodge of Texas website
It would seem that the symbolical wearing of aprons by Freemasons in imitation of operative masons would require little explanation, as the workman wore the apron as a protective covering. However, the modern Masonic apron is a white lambskin apron, which adds two specific qualities. First, the color white is a ritualistic development to represent purity and, second, the lambskin material is emblematical of innocence. No better explanation of the Masonic apron can be found than that provided in the Apron presentation to the new Mason. It is quoted here as presented in the Monitor of the Lodge published by the Masonic Grand Lodge of Texas.
*My brother, in behalf of this Lodge, I now present to you this white Lambskin Apron. It may be, that in the coming years, upon your brow shall rest the laurel leaves of victory; it may be that, pendant from your breast, may hang jewels fit to grace the diadem of some Eastern potentate.
Aye! More than these, for light, added to coming light, may enable your ambitious feet to tread round after round of the ladder that leads to fame in our Mystic order; and even the purple of our fraternity may rest upon your honored shoulders; but never again, from mortal hands; never again, until your enfranchised spirit shall have passed upward and inward, through the pearly gates, can a greater honor be bestowed, or one more emblematical of purity and innocence, than that which has been conferred upon you tonight.
This Apron, the special gift of this Lodge, is yours to wear upon all proper occasions throughout an honorable life, and at your death, is to be placed upon the coffin that contains your lifeless remains and with them shall be laid beneath the silent clods of the valley.
May the pure and spotless surface of this Apron be an ever-present reminder of “that purity of heart and uprightness of conduct so essentially necessary,” thus keeping pure your thoughts, and inspiring nobler deeds and greater achievements.
Then, when at last, your weary feet shall have come to the end of life’s toilsome journey, and from your nerveless grasp, shall drop, forever, the working tools of life, may the record of your life and actions be as pure and spotless as this Apron now is; and when your soul, freed from earth, shall stand naked and alone before the Great White Throne, may it be your portion to hear from Him who sits thereon, the welcome plaudit: “Well done, thou good and faithful servant! Enter thou into the joy of thy Lord!”*
… Satan has the Masons by the throat. Read the highlighted sentence again, and think about it. Where have you heard the term “Great White Throne” before?

Rev 20:11 And I saw a great white throne, and him that sat on it, from whose face the earth and the heaven fled away; and there was found no place for them.
12 And I saw the dead, small and great, stand before God; and the books were opened: and another book was opened, which is the book of life: and the dead were judged out of those things which were written in the books, according to their works.
13 And the sea gave up the dead which were in it; and death and hell delivered up the dead which were in them: and they were judged every man according to their works.
14 And death and hell were cast into the lake of fire. This is the second death.
15 And whosoever was not found written in the book of life was cast into the lake of fire.

The Great White Throne is found at the judgment of the damned. Anyone who stands naked in that dreadful courtroom will have only one exit, and that is through the gaping maw of hell. Pity the poor Mason who trusted a “pure and spotless” lambskin apron rather than the sacrifice of the pure and spotless Lamb of God. The words that NO ONE at the great white throne will hear are, “Well done, thou good and faithful servant! Enter thou into the joy of thy Lord!”

What a hideous deception!
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Casen:
… Perhaps Sir Knight is indeed a respected contributor to the forum but in this case he’s simply wrong …
Look at the above quote from the Mason’s own website and tell us who’s wrong now? Want more proof? How about this quote by Pope Pius VIII when making reference to Masons: “* … Their Law is Untruth: Their God is the Devil and their Cult is Turpitude … *” taken from a Bio of his works – which can be found in printed format at larger libraries.

When a Pope publicly states that their god is the devil – that pretty powerful stuff.

Finally, here’s more information which will leave little doubt how satanic and anti-Catholic the Masonic Sect really is.
 
Sir Knight,
That’s your proof that they worship Satan??? The Great White Throne refers to the Final Judgment of God and the injunction is to live a righteous life so that at the Final Judgment God will say, "Well done, thou good and faithful servant! Enter thou into the joy of thy Lord!”

7 But the LORD shall endure for ever: he hath prepared his throne for judgment.
8 And he shall judge the world in righteousness, he shall minister judgment to the people in uprightness.
(Psalms 9:7 - 8)
 
The fact that a Pope said that their god is the devil is not a statement to be taken lightly and I doubt that he would have made it lightly.

Oh, and the Great White Throne is found at the judgment of the damned.
 
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Casen:
The Great White Throne refers to the Final Judgment of God
Then why would someone go and explicitly use that EXACT phrase (“The Great White Throne”, not an everyday expression in the bible) and context (judgement) found in the book of Revelation at the judgement of the damned?

I can’t figure out whether this is evil or ignorance. There always seems to be too many coincidences for it to be ignorance.
 
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