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could you please with church documents to back up your claims show me what vestments priest have to wear during mass. (both daily and sunday) are there any optional things priest don’t have to where with the exception of a microphone yes I know not a vestment lol.

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There is a lectionary that you can buy (usually the parishes would buy this for the priests) which has all the daily readings and which saints or feasts to commemorate for those days including options and the color of vestments to wear.

I talked with a priest once and he was telling me of this story where a parishioner was complaining that he was wearing the wrong vestments. Then he showed me his booklet for those days and that there was indeed an option to wear white instead of green for the days in question.
 
could you please with church documents to back up your claims show me what vestments priest have to wear during mass. (both daily and sunday) are there any optional things priest don’t have to where with the exception of a microphone yes I know not a vestment lol.

thanks for any help
The GIRM tells the priest what to wear.
  1. The vestment proper to the priest celebrant at Mass and other sacred actions directly connected with Mass is, unless otherwise indicated, the chasuble, worn over the alb and stole.
The chasuble is usually the colour for the day or the colour for the ritual Mass (purple, black or white for funerals, for example). You find the information for the colours in the ORDO, aka the Liturgical calendar.
 
The GIRM tells the priest what to wear.

The chasuble is usually the colour for the day or the colour for the ritual Mass (purple, black or white for funerals, for example). You find the information for the colours in the ORDO, aka the Liturgical calendar.
Yep, our Father just went through the books and the robes, etc at the last RCIA meeting. It was very interesting. He’s just out of college and he showed us everything.

We also went over the color changes for the Liturgical Year and the various color changes for feasts and special days of the year.

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There is a lectionary that you can buy (usually the parishes would buy this for the priests) which has all the daily readings and which saints or feasts to commemorate for those days including options and the color of vestments to wear.

I talked with a priest once and he was telling me of this story where a parishioner was complaining that he was wearing the wrong vestments. Then he showed me his booklet for those days and that there was indeed an option to wear white instead of green for the days in question.
Just a FYI, This is “The Order of Prayer in the Liturgy of the Hours and Celebration of the Eucharist” or Ordo for short.👍
 
… could you please with church documents to back up your claims show me what vestments priest have to wear during mass.
GIRM #337: alb, stole and chasuble are mandatory.

GIRM #209 Allows concelebrating priests (except the principal concelebrant) to omit the chasuble if there are not enough chasubles available.
… are there any optional things priest don’t have to where …
GIRM #336: amice and cincture are optional in some circumstances. Amice can be omitted if the alb covers the priest’s ordinary clothing at the neck; cincture can be omitted if the alb is made to fit without one.
(both daily and sunday)
The day makes no difference.
 
thanks for the info there is actually a retried priest who never wears the chasuble, kinda bothers me alittle bit, luckily this guy only says mass when one of our two priest isn’t present to say the mass.

has there ever been a time where someone didn’t have to wear the chasuble or has it always been that way.
 
thanks for the info there is actually a retried priest who never wears the chasuble, kinda bothers me alittle bit, luckily this guy only says mass when one of our two priest isn’t present to say the mass.

has there ever been a time where someone didn’t have to wear the chasuble or has it always been that way.
No, the chusable has always been worn, and in fact, in the old rite, more vestments would be worn. The Biretta would be worn during some parts of the mass, and maniple (another photo) would be worn on the left arm (basicly like a small stole, but different symbolisim), as well as the amice and cincture being required (they are now optional, as another poster said).
 
No, the chusable has always been worn, and in fact, in the old rite, more vestments would be worn. The Biretta would be worn during some parts of the mass, and maniple (another photo) would be worn on the left arm (basicly like a small stole, but different symbolisim), as well as the amice and cincture being required (they are now optional, as another poster said).
Would not wearing the chasuble an abuse and if yes does it make the mass illicit.

Thankfully this priest doesnt say mass much there only when one of our two priest can’t say mass because they are on retreat or vacation and he isn’t the only non resident priest we use.
 
I didn’t realize it, but the priests buy the chasuble (outer robe). Perhaps the parish reimburses them the expense, I don’t know.

Father mentioned that he studied in Rome for a time and that he had bought a chasuble there.

And, they’re surprisingly expensive.

catholicchurchsupply.com/church-supplies/Liturgical-Vestments/category/1771/sort/popular
Many priests own their own, many parishes also own sets.

A Roman cleric requires a purple and a gold set as a bare minimum, with the standard being white, green, red, purple, and gold being normative, with rose and black optional. Certain dioceses also make use of blue by long-standing tradition (pre-Trent Tradition, no less).

Having helped my dad make many of his vestments, there’s a reason they are expensive. The materials are not inexpensive, and the work, while not overly difficult, is time consuming. At least, not unless one is doing embroidery and/or extensive applique work.

Dad and I, working together, turned out stoles in a couple hours each; simple ones, with simple trim bands at the ends, of straight construction. (Such a straight stole is the simplest version; it meets the canonical requirements, but should have a cross on it.) Add 20 minutes to 90 minutes for a trim-cross on the face of the stole (for a deacon) or join (for a priest); an applique cross takes about 30 minutes, and on the join, takes either hand sewing or specific special treatment). The more modern miter-jointed priest stole adds another half-hour; a round-neck closer to an hour and a half more (due to difficulties in turning it right side out around the neckline, and cutting time increases due to curves). Having to pattern match adds 20 minutes or so; having to deal with highly frayable fabrics, add another 20-40 minutes for serging and/or gluing. The fabric, in 60" wide, if able to be used width for length, means a yard per stole for straight. In 30" wide, 1.5-2 yards for straight or mitered, more for curved. Strategic Orphreys can make a 2’ chunk of 40" wide into a stole.

A maniple is not much different from a stole, save in length; about half the length, almost as much time.

A simple dalmatic, no orphrey nor trim, unlined, is 30 to 90 minutes, depending on fabric issues. Adding orphreys adds another 20-120 minutes. Trimming edges adds another hour to 4 hours, depending upon the nature of the trim, the fabric, and the strength of the sewing machine; a lining is about another 20-120 minutes.

A simple gothic chasuble with simple fabric orphrey, unlined, anywhere from one to six hours, depending upon fabric (including pattern, nap/directionality, specific cut, width of fabric, and amount of seam binding needed), presuming a serger is available. Further trim, add several hours.

A fancy fiddleback chasuble: the sewing is not much different, but the fabric is about 1/3 as much. The blackwork stitching in silverthread or gold thread, and the appliques, add 10 to 1000 hours, depending on complexity, proportion of stitching versus applique work.

Simple but fine fabrics run $5-$20 a yard in 45" wide, 60" wide is often $7-$30. Cross or floral brocades in silk are often $30-$100 per yard, usually in 30" to 45"…

Dad’s favorite Rose stole is of moire watermark upholstery silk… we found an endlot of upholstery silk in dusty rose for $7/yard, 1.5 yards, 60" wide… in 1983. Regular price? was $50 a yard at the time. (Good discount…)

Money was always tight; so in making vestments, we always looked for endlots. Dad now has several dalmatics in each color save blue, as he’s not in a diocese which uses it.
 
I didn’t realize it, but the priests buy the chasuble (outer robe). Perhaps the parish reimburses them the expense, I don’t know.

Father mentioned that he studied in Rome for a time and that he had bought a chasuble there.

And, they’re surprisingly expensive.

catholicchurchsupply.com/church-supplies/Liturgical-Vestments/category/1771/sort/popular
They may buy their own if they want a specific one, but most parishes have at least a set of green, white, purple, and red chasubles in their sacristy. Many parishes would also have gold, silver and rose ones too.

One priest who celebrates Mass in our parish has a beaded caribou hide chasuble that was made for him by the ladies of a the native parish where he is the pastor. It probably breaks many liturgical rules since it’s brown and the designs on it are of native spirituality, the most prominent of which is a very large eagle in flight.
 
A Roman cleric requires a purple and a gold set as a bare minimum, with the standard being white, green, red, purple, and gold being normative, with rose and black optional.
I believe the “minimum” would include white rather than gold. While it is often seen, “gold” is not, properly speaking, a liturgical color, but may be used in lieu of white.
 
I believe the “minimum” would include white rather than gold. While it is often seen, “gold” is not, properly speaking, a liturgical color, but may be used in lieu of white.
I see Aramis is a Ruthenian Catholic. Gold is likely for the Eastern Rites, while white would be for the Latin Rite.
 
I see Aramis is a Ruthenian Catholic. Gold is likely for the Eastern Rites, while white would be for the Latin Rite.
It seems to me he was speaking of the Latin Church. 🙂

FYI, in the East and orient, we really don’t have a “color scheme” in quite the same way as does the Latin Church.
 
The maniple would be optional (though seldom seen). Fr. Z has posted more than once how its use is still licit.
 
I see Aramis is a Ruthenian Catholic. Gold is likely for the Eastern Rites, while white would be for the Latin Rite.
I was speaking of the Roman. My father’s a Roman deacon.

White is preferred, and is used at ordination, but Gold may be substituted for white, green, and Red. Which is why the minimum is purple and gold. Blue is used for marian feasts in some dioceses of Spain, France and England, perhaps others.

newadvent.org/cathen/04134a.htm cites gold for white red and green, and lists (Decret. Authent., nn. 3145, 3646, ed. 1900) as citation. But I grew up knowing this…

I’ve never seen a parish that didn’t have at least one each that the parish owned, just in case. But that may be an Archdiocese of Anchorage thing… where Circuit preachers are not uncommon, due to distance and tiny parishes.

Ruthenian clerics require “Light” and “Dark” vestments. My home parish’s subdeacon has 3 dalmatics: White, Gold, and DARK Red (With black roses). Father has several sets of vestments: Gold, Green, Blue, White, Red. The parish owns a green, gold, white with blue, white with silver, sky blue, dark blue, red and gold, and a vibrant cherry red with red trim…
Note also: the 1917 Catholic Encyclopedia says Ruthenians use Roman colors; my pastors, however, follow the Russian pattern, as does the book from the metropolitan specifying canonical colors
 
Blue is used for marian feasts in some dioceses of Spain, France and England, perhaps others.
I know there is an indult that allows the use of blue in Spain. I don’t know whether is applies throughout the whole of Spain or just some of its dioceses. I have no idea whether it can be used in France. I can though advise you that blue is not an authorised colour in England.
 
I know there is an indult that allows the use of blue in Spain. I don’t know whether is applies throughout the whole of Spain or just some of its dioceses. I have no idea whether it can be used in France. I can though advise you that blue is not an authorised colour in England.
Indeed not. I rather wish it could be worn for Marian feasts.

The best decision our parish made was to get sets of machine-washable drip-dry chasubles. There’s a cupboard in the sacristy full of old shabbby vestments which must have looked splendid in their time, but now are threadbare and so heavy to wear that no-ne wants them, but nobody has the courage to get rid of them.
 
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