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They survive financially by Saudi Arabia government, read this report about mosques in US:

“In many examples, the Saudi link is readily apparent from the seal or name appearing on the cover of the publications of the Saudi Embassy in Washington, or of the Saudi cultural, educational or religious affairs ministries, or of the Saudi Air Force. While not all the mosques in the study may receive Saudi support, some of the mosques and centers, such as the King Fahd Mosque in Los Angeles and the Islamic Center in Washington, are openly acknowledged to receive official support by the Saudi king as recorded on his website.7 While some observers distinguish between funding from the Saudi state and donations made by individual members of the Saudi royal family, it should be noted that King Fahd makes no such distinction. His website asserts, “King Fahd gave his support, either personally or through his Government….” The website also asserts that “the cost of King Fahd’s efforts in this field has been astronomical, amounting to many billions of Saudi Riyals,” resulting in “some 210 Centers wholly or partly financed by Saudi Arabia, more than 1,500 Mosques and 202 colleges and almost 2,000 schools for educating Muslim children.” The King and his son donated millions of dollars to the King Fahd mosque.”

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freedomhouse.org/uploads/special_report/45.pdf
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Thank you again for the information. However, I find it even more distasteful that you have an aversion to The Church collecting money when your sovereign government sees fit to collect the Zakat, essentially a sales tax as we call it in America, only to distribute it to Islamic-only causes throughout the world. As Catholics, we give from the bottom up and our charity is blind to any particular religion. In the Kingdom Of Saud, you give from the top down ignoring non-Muslims. There is quite a bit of evidence that the 9/11 hijackers (15 of them, actually) received support from your Zakat.

I would rather give my money to the Catholic Church than to the government of Saudi Arabia and the 200 or so male descendants of King Abdul Aziz.

When the Kingdom of Saudi Arabia allows in importation of the Holy Bible into the country, I will support their supposed freedom of religion.
 
FLGreg said:
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  1. Summery Link:
    freedomhouse.org/article/revised-saudi-government-textbooks-still-demonize-christians-jews-non-wahhabi-muslims-and
  2. Full report:
    Copy and paste this link in Google search box, then click search, then in the result find the first link and click on “Quick View”, it will display the full report:
    freedomhouse.org/uploads/special_report/45.pdf
As Catholics, we give from the bottom up and our charity is blind to any particular religion. In the Kingdom Of Saud, you give from the top down ignoring non-Muslims. There is quite a bit of evidence that the 9/11 hijackers (15 of them, actually) received support from your Zakat.
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😦 you are right…
 
Sam_777 said:
Do Catholic Churches get any financial support from the Vatican?
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:rotfl:

I’m not laughing at you, I’m laughing at the common misconception that the Vatican is rolling in money.

It is the parishes that support the Vatican.

The only way a parish would get support from “the Vatican” is if it is considered mission territory. And even then the money that the Vatican is giving them came from parishes around the world.
 
Sam_777 said:
So parishes around the world contribute financially to the Vatican?
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Once a year we have a collection for the “Pope’s Pastoral Works”. This collection helps the Vatican provide disaster relief, etc.
 
Phemie said:
Once a year we have a collection for the “Pope’s Pastoral Works”. This collection helps the Vatican provide disaster relief, etc.
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Interesting…

Does it have a specific date across Churches?, is it only one donation in a specific Mass?.
 
Sam_777 said:
Interesting…

Does it have a specific date across Churches?, is it only one donation in a specific Mass?.
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This collection is taken up at various times around the world, the date set by each country’s Bishops’ Conference…

In Canada, it’s always in May, and there is usually a second collection at each Mass that Sunday.

The traditional name for this collection is “Peter’s Pence”. It’s been a tradition for centuries.
 
Joannm said:
No, but it is sort of like the Christmas collection is (I’m stretching it here) like Black Friday for retailers. Black Friday is called so because for many retailers it is when they are out of the red for the year. Many parishes depend on a big Christmas collection, in addition to the regular Sunday collections, to break even or to have that extra money in the bank for unforeseen needs, like the boiler breaking or a leaky roof.
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Air Conditioner going down, diocese ups its tax on the parish, flood in the school library (that one cost us), parking lot cracking and needs resurfacing, entire school needs repainting on exterior, battery backup for church needs replacing…well you get the idea
 
Sam_777 said:
Interesting…

Does it have a specific date across Churches?, is it only one donation in a specific Mass?.
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There is only one collection taken up every year for the “Peter’s Pence Collection” and it is described as this:
“Peter’s Pence” is the name given to the financial support offered by the faithful to the Holy Father as a sign of their sharing in the concerns of the successor of Peter for the many different needs of the universal church and for the relief of those most in need."
 
Our pastor said that every year priests in our diocese are reminded by the bishops that there will be no second collection on Christmas. It is my understanding that this is the decision of the bishops in our Archdiocese. It used to be the practice many years ago to take up a second collection on Christmas for the pastor, but that is no longer the practice here in the Pacific Northwest. If people choose to give a Christmas gift and put it into the one collection specially marked, it goes to the parish and not to the pastor.
 
zab said:
Our pastor said that every year priests in our diocese are reminded by the bishops that there will be no second collection on Christmas. It is my understanding that this is the decision of the bishops in our Archdiocese. It used to be the practice many years ago to take up a second collection on Christmas for the pastor, but that is no longer the practice here in the Pacific Northwest. If people choose to give a Christmas gift and put it into the one collection specially marked, it goes to the parish and not to the pastor.
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:confused: never heard of this practice.:confused:
 
Sam_777 said:
So parishes around the world contribute financially to the Vatican?
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Yes, parishes around the world are where the Vatican gets its money from. Now, obviously, the Vatican invests some of that and makes money on its own but it originally came from the world’s parishes.

The Vatican is like a government that can’t deficit spend, it can only collect more money.
 
Sam_777 said:
On my last visit to one Catholic Church abroad I attended the last Sunday Mass before the Christmas and once the Pastor started that Mass he said “Remember that next Sunday is a double Mass because of the Christmas day so make sure to bring two donations with you” and he was saying it in a serious tone!

To be honest with you, I did not like that, I don’t like religious people asking for money, and even I did not like saying it in some sort of an order.

Does that usually happen in other Catholic or non-Catholic Churches? because that incident bothered me, specially that I consider Catholicism to be the most authentic sect in Christianity.
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Our church averages $6 per person in attendance each week.
 
DCNBILL said:
:confused: never heard of this practice.:confused:
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I remember when I was growing up in the 50s and 60s that the Christmas collection was always earmarked for the priest. My parents would always make sure he also got a card with a monetary gift that didn’t go through the parish coffers first, to boost what he’d have to live on for the year.
 
Phemie said:
I remember when I was growing up in the 50s and 60s that the Christmas collection was always earmarked for the priest. My parents would always make sure he also got a card with a monetary gift that didn’t go through the parish coffers first, to boost what he’d have to live on for the year.
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Yes and no. Around these parts the Christmas collection was the pastor’s and then he dolled out to his curates whatever he felt like and it wasn’t divided up equally.

Today, if a pastor tried to keep the Christmas collection he’d end up in jail.
 
NewEnglandPries said:
Yes and no. Around these parts the Christmas collection was the pastor’s and then he dolled out to his curates whatever he felt like and it wasn’t divided up equally.

Today, if a pastor tried to keep the Christmas collection he’d end up in jail.
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Well, there was no curate in our little rural parish so he was free to keep all of it – although we knew that often it went to feed families who were worse off than the priest was.

The thought that a priest would take the Christmas collection today is ridiculous, given that in our parish he rarely even sees any of the money, it’s all taken care of by other people.

Of course today he’s paid a salary, I don’t think that was the case back in those days. He may have had his room and board provided but what he had to spend on himself was what he got in that collection.
 
Phemie said:
Well, there was no curate in our little rural parish so he was free to keep all of it – although we knew that often it went to feed families who were worse off than the priest was.
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Not every pastor shared it with his curates.
 
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