Mass in Latin?

[jazzy_987]

What do you think about Mass in Latin? I think that many years ago, all Masses were in Latin, what’s our opinion about it? Which would you prefer?

– I’m just wondering, that’s all.

 

[Cat]

English.

Thanks for asking.

 

[CatholicNick]

Traditional Latin Mass.

The way the Saints of the Church heard Mass for 1600 years…

 

[NMJenny]

Although the English mass is valid, of course, I much prefer the Traditional Latin Mass–which isn’t available where I live…:crying:

 

[BobP123]

Because the inscription above Christ was written in three languages, Latin, Greek, and Hebrew, it is most fitting that the liturgy be of the same language(s). Thumps up to the TLM.

 

[THurifer2]

If I am in a conservative DIocese I Like to see the Mass in Latin and the Homily in English…

If I am in a liberal diocese I would prefer the Homily be in Latin as well…but then agian…alot of the religious sisters don’t know latin so I guess the homily in the liberal dioceses can’t be done in Latin. Gee I wonder is Sr. Joan remembers much Latin.

 

[captaincoog]

Latin any day of the week.

1. It has organically developed over the centuries and centuries in the life of the Church.
2. The prayers that the Priest offers to God on behalf of himself and those present, not to mention the faithful departed, are more “thorough”. We are able to receive more graces because more graces are requested.
3. More Saint’s names are invoked to pray for us.
4. The Canon of the Mass is silent. This is the part where the consecration takes place. It allows a time to recollect before during and after Christ our Lord offers himself to the Father as the Lamb of God. It also allows one to offer his intentions at this most solemn moment, while the Priest is offering all the general intentions for us.

I could keep going on if time would permit, but I have to go.

I still love any mass, whether new or old, but I have found I am able to receive more graces at a Latin mass because of the more rereverent disposition it places one in, (if they allow themselves to be) to participate in the Mass. i find it much more nourishing spiritually. Others may not agree with me, but that is up to them.

 

[MariaGorettiGrl]

Because the inscription above Christ was written in three languages, Latin, Greek, and Hebrew, it is most fitting that the liturgy be of the same language(s).

Um…that doesn’t make much since. The inscription above Christ was mocking Him. So wouldn’t it be best NOT to use those languages?

Nothing against the Indult Latin Mass. I’m just confused about this logic.

 

[BobP123]

The inscription above Christ was mocking Him.

Yes it was. So would have smileys. What’s your point? Do you stop speaking English when you hear atheists use clever English words and persuasive logic to deny God? Whether it was a mockery or not, most could probably understand at least one of those languages to make this decision whether this was the King of the Jews or was He the Christ. Did those who chose Christ as their Savior begin speaking another tongue immediately? Don’t undertand your conclusions.

 

[Kristine1957]

I have never been to a Latin Mass but from what I have heard they are just beautiful. I would like the option to go to both Latin and English.

 

[AJV]

Traditional Latin Mass.

The way the Saints of the Church heard Mass for 1600 years…

You *know *I’m going to call you in on that one, don’t you?

What do you think about Mass in Latin? I think that many years ago, all Masses were in Latin, what’s our opinion about it? Which would you prefer?

I like Latin but then now I understand a bit what is being said there. I think the vernacular is good also. Maybe a mixture for regular use. If you were asking about the TLM, I would attend one if it was offered.

 

[MariaGorettiGrl]

Don’t undertand your conclusions.

My only conclusion is that I don’t get YOUR conclusion. :hypno:

What does the inscription over the cross have to do with what language the Mass is said in? Pardon me if I’m just not catching something obvious here.

 

[puzzleannie]

Traditional Latin Mass.

The way the Saints of the Church heard Mass for 1600 years…

except of course for the 300-500 years when they heard it in Greek

 

[CatholicNick]

except of course for the 300-500 years when they heard it in Greek

The language isn’t what Traditionalists are concerned about. It is the form of the Mass. And I assure you, the TLM is much much closer to the original Masses in the West than the Novus Ordo Missae.

The Missal was codified by Pope St. Gregory the Great. Do you think he made up a Missal from thin air like they did with the NO in the late 60’s? Fabrication of liturgy is not the Catholic way. The Missal Codified by St.Gregory would have been alot similar to the Mass said in Rome for hundreds of years.

There is a huge huge misconception on these boards and all over, that the Latin language is the Traditionalist’s main concern. If it were, there would be no orders like the SSPX, FSSP or ICRSS. The priests would just say the Novus Ordo Missae in Latin.

 

[Malcolm_McLean]

What do you think about Mass in Latin? I think that many years ago, all Masses were in Latin, what’s our opinion about it? Which would you prefer?

– I’m just wondering, that’s all.

The angels speak English (obviously) and so prefer NO, but only in the Commonwealth and US.

 

[Pookie_Dupre]

I have been to both and am just as taken in by the wonder of it ALL! We had missals with Latin on one page and English on the other … I still have mine … and as I go back and read them … I don’t see the blatant disregard many claim the NO has. I enjoy going to Mass … I love meeting Jesus there and the intimacy we share … I guess I am lucky … I am Cajun and went to mass everyday for the first 23 years of my life … then for years I had to make do with Sunday only … and now that I can go daily I am laxed about that … but mass for me has always been special to me and recieving both the Body and Cup has been such a blessing to my heart … I truly believe that I would mourn, should I have to give up the Cup! Jesus is a valentine given to us from God … and Holy Mass is the manner in which our “Beloved” chose to remain with us! It makes no difference what language Mass is said in … so long as Mass happens is all that matters.

Respectfully, Pookie.

 

[orgel_maestro]

The language isn’t what Traditionalists are concerned about. It is the form of the Mass. And I assure you, the TLM is much much closer to the original Masses in the West than the Novus Ordo Missae.

The Missal was codified by Pope St. Gregory the Great. Do you think he made up a Missal from thin air like they did with the NO in the late 60’s? Fabrication of liturgy is not the Catholic way. The Missal Codified by St.Gregory would have been alot similar to the Mass said in Rome for hundreds of years.

There is a huge huge misconception on these boards and all over, that the Latin language is the Traditionalist’s main concern. If it were, there would be no orders like the SSPX, FSSP or ICRSS. The priests would just say the Novus Ordo Missae in Latin.

Yes! this is why I chose Gregory as my confirmation name But, the use of Latin also has it’s benefits, as well as the missal readings being read in Latin and being able to read the translation along side in a missal. A universal language is definitely helpful. For example, I’m going to be in Poland this summer for a whole month, thank God they have a TLM on Sundays near where I’m staying. Although I know elementary Polish, there’d be no way I’d be able to understand if I went to a NO mass, but since the Indult mass I’d be going to would have the same readings and same gestures/words in latin, I’d be able to understand since it would be almost exactly the same Mass as if it were celebrated here. So, now I can just bring my missal and follow along. I think Latin should be used definitely more, it would be especially helpful if u have a big like papal mass or a multi-lingual mass.

 

[Cat]

I just finished reading a history book (Catholic).

There were many countries that resisted a “Latin” mass. Germany is one example. So is Spain. And many of the “missionary” countries" heard Mass in their own language.

I"m going to pull a “evangelical Protestant trick” here and quote the Bible:

“There are perhaps a great many kinds of languages in the world, and no kind is without meaning. If then I do not know the meaning of the language, I shall be to the one who speaks a barbarian and the one who speaks will be a barbarian to me. So also you, since you are zealous of spirtual gifts, seek to abound for the edification of the church.”
I Corinthians 14: 10-12

Obviously I’ve quoted out of context (another evangelical Protestant trick).

But the point is, I do not understand a language that is not my own. I can use a missal, but then my brain has to interpret and I cannot appreciate the spirituality.

I appreciate that many of you claim that you “feel” more spiritual in a Latin Mass. Well, I don’t and others feel the same way. To us, it’s all mumbo jumbo.

In fact, to me, as a musician, it’s like theater. I’ve attended concerts of Latin pieces, and to me, a Mass in Latin is like one of these concerts. I just can’t appreciate it as “Church.”

Again, I’m glad for those of you who do love the Latin Mass. But according to the teachings of the CURRENT Catholic Church, which is the TRUE Church of Jesus Christ, Mass in the vernacular is permitted and those of us who attend do not receive any less of Jesus in the Blessed Sacrament than those who attend a Latin Mass.

If you try to tell me otherwise, then I will say to your face that you are teaching REBELLION against the Catholic Church, and by that sin fell Satan.

 

[BobP123]

from a comment on one of the blogs

xxxxx wrote on Jun 20, 2007 2:06 PM:

" Remember the Tower of Babel. “The descendants of Noah had migrated from the “east” (Armenia) first southward, along the course of the Tigris, then westward across the Tigris into “a plain in the land of Sennar”. As their growing number forced them to live in localities more and more distant from their patriarchal homes, “they said: Come, let us make a city and a tower, the top whereof may reach to heaven; and let us make our name famous before we be scattered abroad into all lands.” The work was soon fairly under way; “and they had brick instead of stones, and slime (asphalt) instead of mortar.” But God confounded their tongue, so that they did not understand one another’s speech, and thus scattered them from that place into all lands, and they ceased to build the city.” "

 

[Cat]

BobP123, God didn’t want them to continue building the Tower of Babel. That’s why he confounded their languages.

This Biblical illustration from Genesis has nothing to do with the Catholic Church, which God DOES want us to continue to build.

We are already one Body in Jesus Christ. God has given all Christians the Savior, Jesus Christ, and the Holy Spirit who makes us one in Christ. “For by One Spirit we were all baptized inot one body, whether Jews or Greeks, whether slaves or free, and we were all made to drink of One Spirit.” (I Corinthians 12: 13).

Interestingly, when the Holy Spirit came on the day of Pentecost, He DIDN’T give the Apostles one language. “And they were filled with the Holy Spirit and began to speak with other tongues, as the Spirit was giving them utterance.”

It seems to me that this passage seems to be an endorsement from the Holy Spirit that the disciples would speak different languages to share the Gospel of Jesus Christ.

We don’t need a “Universal Language” to make us all one in Christ. That isn’t a Biblical teaching at all. And as I said in my post, it is not even a historical reality. It is a noble sentiment, but I daresay that many in this world would resist the idea that God only speaks in one language.

The fact is, my friend, that the Vatican has ruled that the Sacrifice of the Mass may be offered in the language of the people OR in Latin. When you become Pope, you may change this. But in the meantime, you shouldn’t propagate rebellion against the teachings of the Church.