Mass in Latin?

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orgel-maestro, Let me reply that I am one with the Mass no matter the language it is said in. In my many years in this life and being a US Sailor’s wife have traveled much. Because I have attended Mass so often I have memorized ALL of it … I could go to Mass in ANY country and know exactly what is being said at any given time … my only problem would be the homily! … and even then I could meditate on the readings. If it does your heart good to join the Mass in Latin then I pray for you to be able to always have that gift in this life … and so does Mother Church … what God has given us HE will never take away. By the power of the Holy Spirit God will give us what it is that we ask for so long as it is not adverse to our well being. The Latin Mass nor the NO has ever brought harm to any souls. Where two or three are gathered, Jesus is there.

Respectfully, Pookie.
 
Cat said:
BobP123, God didn’t want them to continue building the Tower of Babel. That’s why he confounded their languages.

This Biblical illustration from Genesis has nothing to do with the Catholic Church, which God DOES want us to continue to build.

We are already one Body in Jesus Christ. God has given all Christians the Savior, Jesus Christ, and the Holy Spirit who makes us one in Christ. “For by One Spirit we were all baptized inot one body, whether Jews or Greeks, whether slaves or free, and we were all made to drink of One Spirit.” (I Corinthians 12: 13).

Interestingly, when the Holy Spirit came on the day of Pentecost, He DIDN’T give the Apostles one language. “And they were filled with the Holy Spirit and began to speak with other tongues, as the Spirit was giving them utterance.”

It seems to me that this passage seems to be an endorsement from the Holy Spirit that the disciples would speak different languages to share the Gospel of Jesus Christ.

We don’t need a “Universal Language” to make us all one in Christ. That isn’t a Biblical teaching at all. And as I said in my post, it is not even a historical reality. It is a noble sentiment, but I daresay that many in this world would resist the idea that God only speaks in one language.

The fact is, my friend, that the Vatican has ruled that the Sacrifice of the Mass may be offered in the language of the people OR in Latin. When you become Pope, you may change this. But in the meantime, you shouldn’t propagate rebellion against the teachings of the Church.
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Did I miss a memo. When did we become a bible only Church. Last I heard we were still a Church based on scripture and Tradition. A Church that has taken Latin as Her own.

Some where along the line Cat—you have missed what our current Pope has been saying. You say we are propagating rebellion–when the opposite is true. We’ve been listening to the Pope—who is leading the Church to reclaim Her heritage. Pope Benedict did say the Vat II norms are to be more correctly applied and Vat II did say —Latin was to be retained.

Truth be told—it seems that those that have been turning a blind eye and deaf ear–to the Vat II norms and to what our Pope says—are the ones instigating rebellion.
 
Walking_Home, does the Holy Father say that Mass in the vernacular is to be eliminated?
 
Because I wasn’t raised Catholic, I was raised Lutheran and came into the Catholic church 20 years ago, I’m not that familier with LM. When I first turned Catholic they would sometimes use a mix of english and latin. At first I had no idea what was being said, but after a while I was able to figure some of it out because a lot of english words are derived from latin.
Now they use no latin at all and I think I sort of miss it. I think It adds to the solemnity of the Mass.
 
Cat said:
Walking_Home, does the Holy Father say that Mass in the vernacular is to be eliminated?
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Pope Benedict did say the norms of Vat II need to be correctly implemented----that included Latin.
 
Did I miss a memo. When did we become a bible only Church. Last I heard we were still a Church based on scripture and Tradition. A Church that has taken Latin as Her own.
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Not only the Church but the medical community as well. It really helps to have a common language amongst doctors of different countries now that this profession is going internationally.
I just had to take my dad to the eye doctor the other day and was able to distinguish between oculus dexter and oculus sinister on those sheets. When I told them that was in Latin, one looked amazed and heard the Latin Mass was coming back. Strange connection? Not really.

Not in Latin, but physics and math use the Greek alphabet as an international language tool. Musical notations are also in an international format. So it does help to have a universal language in a lot of areas. Imagine the German scientists using their own alphabet to replace the Greek? It would create chaos.

The Church, through its councils and Popes, has also tried to preserve a common language which could be universally understood. It would be as you say, a rebellion to insist your own language must be the one which should they should be using.

And what’s wrong with learning a few Latin prayers anyway? Learning Latin should be easy and fun.
 
BobP123 said:
Not only the Church but the medical community as well. It really helps to have a common language amongst doctors of different countries now that this profession is going internationally.
I just had to take my dad to the eye doctor the other day and was able to distinguish between oculus dexter and oculus sinister on those sheets. When I told them that was in Latin, one looked amazed and heard the Latin Mass was coming back. Strange connection? Not really.

Not in Latin, but physics and math use the Greek alphabet as an international language tool. Musical notations are also in an international format. So it does help to have a universal language in a lot of areas. Imagine the German scientists using their own alphabet to replace the Greek? It would create chaos.

The Church, through its councils and Popes, has also tried to preserve a common language which could be universally understood. It would be as you say, a rebellion to insist your own language must be the one which should they should be using.

And what’s wrong with learning a few Latin prayers anyway? I have undergraduate and graduate degrees in physics, math, and business so I know what tough is. Learning Latin should be fun.
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The way some people carry on—after Vat II—We lost our ability to learn— amongst everything else that went.
 
Pookie_Dupre said:
orgel-maestro, Let me reply that I am one with the Mass no matter the language it is said in. In my many years in this life and being a US Sailor’s wife have traveled much. Because I have attended Mass so often I have memorized ALL of it … I could go to Mass in ANY country and know exactly what is being said at any given time … my only problem would be the homily! … and even then I could meditate on the readings. If it does your heart good to join the Mass in Latin then I pray for you to be able to always have that gift in this life … and so does Mother Church … what God has given us HE will never take away. By the power of the Holy Spirit God will give us what it is that we ask for so long as it is not adverse to our well being. The Latin Mass nor the NO has ever brought harm to any souls. Where two or three are gathered, Jesus is there.

Respectfully, Pookie.
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I’m not saying that Novus ordo masses should be in Latin, in fact I think NO masses should be in the vernacular, but I think we should include more Latin, especially for the more familiar prayers like the Pater Noster, Agnus Dei, Gloria, Sanctus, Credo etc. However, I was just bringing up the point that a universal language would be good at papal masses, where u have a diverse crowd. On the other hand, Tridentine masses should only be in Latin. Im not opposed at all with mass being in the verncular, but just as the Holy Father suggested there should be an increased use of Latin.
 
BobP123 said:
Not only the Church but the medical community as well. It really helps to have a common language amongst doctors of different countries now that this profession is going internationally.
I just had to take my dad to the eye doctor the other day and was able to distinguish between oculus dexter and oculus sinister on those sheets. When I told them that was in Latin, one looked amazed and heard the Latin Mass was coming back. Strange connection? Not really.

Not in Latin, but physics and math use the Greek alphabet as an international language tool. Musical notations are also in an international format. So it does help to have a universal language in a lot of areas. Imagine the German scientists using their own alphabet to replace the Greek? It would create chaos.

The Church, through its councils and Popes, has also tried to preserve a common language which could be universally understood. It would be as you say, a rebellion to insist your own language must be the one which should they should be using.

And what’s wrong with learning a few Latin prayers anyway? Learning Latin should be easy and fun.
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I agree, you know if the Jews have to learn Hebrew for the Bar Mitzvah, why cant Catholics learn Latin for confirmation, FHC or something?
 
So, Walking_Home, please make sure that I understand.

Areyou saying that Pope Benedict XVI plans to get rid of all Masses in the vernacular and return to Latin Mass?

And are you saying that all the Popes and priests and Bishops who have instituted Mass in the language of the people are doing something against the teachings of Jesus?
 
It might be useful to elaborate the perceived benefits and drawbacks of Mass in Latin and Mass in the vernacular.
 
Cat said:
So, Walking_Home, please make sure that I understand.

Areyou saying that Pope Benedict XVI plans to get rid of all Masses in the vernacular and return to Latin Mass?

And are you saying that all the Popes and priests and Bishops who have instituted Mass in the language of the people are doing something against the teachings of Jesus?
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I’m saying—you should keep track of what our current Pope Benedict XVI is saying—and what intentions he has for the Church.
 
Walking_Home, forgive my ignorance, but where should I go (online) to keep track of what the Pope says?

I thought I could trust my Bishop to let us all know. Should I not trust him? (Bishop Doran, Diocese of Rockford).
 
It might be useful to elaborate the perceived benefits and drawbacks of Mass in Latin and Mass in the vernacular.
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The councils of Trent and Vatican II have already done that for us.
 
Cat said:
Walking_Home, forgive my ignorance, but where should I go (online) to keep track of what the Pope says?

I thought I could trust my Bishop to let us all know. Should I not trust him? (Bishop Doran, Diocese of Rockford).
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Zenit is one place you can check. It provides information on our Pope’s audiences, speeches etc. People here at CA — also post links to this type of information. As to the bishops—it has been my experience that for me to be informed—I need to keep track of information on my own. Below is the link to Zenit. Maybe other people can provide other places that carry similar information.

zenit.org/
 
Latin remains the language of the Church. In my parish in England, we celebrate most of our Masses in English although the six Masses we celebrate differ in style. Once a month, we celebrate a Mass that is sung in Latin, in the modern rite, although the readings and homily are in English. I find this very useful for my language skills and I enjoy being able to recite many of the prayers that I learned 50 or more years ago.
 
Thank you for the link. It is in my Favorites now so I won’t lose it.

I have to admit, Walking_Home, I tend to trust our Bishop. Maybe you are stuck with a liberal, wishy-washy Bishop, but I am really blessed. Bishop Thomas Doran is excellent. I used to listen to him as a Protestant and knew even then that I was hearing an apostle of Christ. He doesn’t mince words.

There is a surplus of seminarians in our diocese.

Bishop Doran has authorized the Latin Mass at the Shrine in our city, and there is a group of people who attend. I’m not sure I understand all the politicis, but I know that there is a “Christ the King” seminary that priests are ordained through I know that there are Latin Masses in other cities in our diocese.

Until I came to this Forum, I had no idea that there was any sort of controversy about Latin vs. English. I didn’t know that so many Catholics were so unhappy in their Church. All the Catholics I know are enthusiastic and completely committed to Catholicism. Again, I feel very blessed.

In our city alone, there are weekly masses in English, Latin, Spanish, Polish, and Filippino. There are probably other languages that I don’t know about.

We also have LifeTeen Mass at our parish, which attracts close to a thousand people. I know that many Traditionalists despise it, but it sure is popular. I would say that at least a quarter of the congregation in attendance is over 50.

We have thriving Catholic schools and one of the best Catholic high schools in the country.

We have a mixture of ancient and contemporary architectures in our Catholic Churches. It’s wonderful.

Our city only has ONE abortion clinic–all the others were driven out of town by the joint efforts of the Protestants and Catholics. This one clinic is picketed daily, and the Rosary is said daily (during the week) in front of the clinic.

Our city has NO porn shops; again, driven out of town by the joint efforts of the Protestants and Catholics. Yes, I know that people can get porn online, but at least they can’t stand in a booth and feed quarters to a porn ViewMaster.

I’ll say it again, I am extremely blessed to have a good Bishop and a great diocese!
 
Cat said:
Until I came to this Forum, I had no idea that there was any sort of controversy about Latin vs. English. I didn’t know that so many Catholics were so unhappy in their Church. All the Catholics I know are enthusiastic and completely committed to Catholicism. Again, I feel very blessed.

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I am not sure how you meant the above–but I can assure you–those who would like the TLM and the return of our traditions—Are completely committed to Catholicism.
 
The thing is, I don’t know any Latin at all, so I always go to English masses.
 
jazzy_987 said:
What do you think about Mass in Latin? I think that many years ago, all Masses were in Latin, what’s our opinion about it? Which would you prefer?

– I’m just wondering, that’s all. 😉 😃
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I prefer the Tridentine Mass, but I would be okay with it in English, if the translation was very good. However being a singer I prefer singing in Latin–especially polyphony.
 
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