Mass in Vernacular

[pnewton]

No. You are wrong. Those canons from Trent are not canon law, they are solemn definitions by the Extraordinary Magisterium. They do not expire, ever.

If you will re-read, you will find that this has already been pointed out and clarified. You are about three days too late. I know they are not from canon law, only that canon law has removed the penalty of anathema. There is not longer a major and minor excommunication. Refer to posts 14,17,21,25 to see that what you said has already been covered.

 

[jfoges]

If you will re-read, you will find that this has already been pointed out and clarified. You are about three days too late. I know they are not from canon law, only that canon law has removed the penalty of anathema. There is not longer a major and minor excommunication. Refer to posts 14,17,21,25 to see that what you said has already been covered.

Hmm, well maybe the penalty of anathema has been removed, but its still a dogmatic definition as far as I can see. What it is condemning is the belief that the mass cannot be in latin and must be in the vernacular. This is obviously a heretical belief now, as it was then.

 

[Wiser]

Y’all are having too much fun with this one. I can’t resist offering my two cents.

When the Pope says that Latin is the language of the Church, does this mean anything to anyone? You can simply use your common sense to know that we all should be giving Latin more attention. You really don’t need all the legalize and references to Councils and official announcements to see and know that a Latin Mass is most proper.

I realize that old relaxed vernacular habits are hard to give up but so are so many of the other earthly desires that lead us astray.

If you listen with your heart, you will know that the last forty years of English repetition of Mass prayers have had less of an effect on your prayer life than a Latin prayer, even when you forget the meaning of the words. Latin is a special rheumatic language that is uniquely suited for the Mass. And when you add the Gregorian Chant to it, you have the highest level of earthly prayer. Set your bias (or maybe laziness) aside and try it. You will be hooked on Latin like so many of the Catholics before you.

 

[Digitonomy]

Latin is a special rheumatic language that is uniquely suited for the Mass.

Related to all the kneeling, no doubt.

It certainly is well-suited, but I’m not convinced that it’s suited to the mass in a way that Greek, Aramaic/Syriac, Coptic, etc are not.

 

[malphono]

When the Pope says that Latin is the language of the Church, does this mean anything to anyone? You can simply use your common sense to know that we all should be giving Latin more attention. You really don’t need all the legalize and references to Councils and official announcements to see and know that a Latin Mass is most proper.

Just to clarify, Latin is the language of the Latin Rite, but please keep in mind that the Church is not only Western (i.e., Latin Rite: it has a Western (Latin) component, but also has Eastern (Greek, Syriac, Coptic, etc) components. I believe it was the great PP Pius XI (of happy memory) who said (paraphrasing here) that the Eastern Rites were the jewels in the crown of the Church.

I agree that Latin should resume its primacy of place in the Latin Rite (in the EF and OF both), but at the same time, Greek, Syriac, Coptic, etc must also resume their primacy of place in their respective Rites. It’s very unfortunate that the much of the East has been afflicted with the same post-conciliar “vernacular fever” as was the West.

 

[Wiser]

To set the record straight, please refer to Cardinal Francis Arinze’s address in St Louis, Latin and Vernacular: Language in the Roman Liturgy, November 2006 which may be viewed at:

ewtn.com/library/Liturgy/latinvernac.HTM

Thank you for all your information, comments and observations. Interesting to say the least.