Mass obligation and anti-catholic family?

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Okay, DarkLight, I will put in my :twocents: If someone is very anti-Catholic and you are in close contact with them, I would either tell them before your visit or not tell them at all until you actually convert.

I told my family first but for the most part they didn’t really care. I waited until after the Easter Vigil to tell any of my former (Evangelical) church mates. One family was upset but no one else seems to really care. I am glad I waited until after I converted to tell them.

But it seems to me that you should reconsider how you visit your family. Could you possibly rent a car or stay with some friends or rent a motel room? That way you won’t be pinned down so much on what you are doing. Eventually you will need to tell them and stand your ground. Good luck.
 
When we converted, we told my parents in advance of our reception into the Church, but not that much in advance. Maybe a month or so? My parents were not anti-Catholic per se, but they are missionaries in their Protestant denomination. They acted fine about it, and they showed up at our Confirmation. Where my mother looked angry and miserable the whole day. :rolleyes:

My mother still hasn’t forgiven me. I doubt she ever will. She dislikes the Church’s stand on contraception and blames me for having six children. (Six isn’t even that many! 🤷 )

But I don’t care. Being received into the Church was so, so worth it.

I would tell them now, and if they are a pain about it, I would not go for Christmas.

We’re not going for Christmas to my parents’ house, either. 😃
 
Keep in mind, it takes two to have an argument. You don’t have to participate.
“Just because someone builds a fire doesn’t mean you have to dance around it”.
Don’t be afraid.
 
So, she does not have any respect for you and the things that you do in life? Wow, that’s very sad.

I’m sorry, but I think that you should just tell her and ask her to respect your decision, as you respect her religious affiliation. Remember, Christ says that sometimes families will be torn up because of Him and this may be one of those times. You are going to have to tell her sooner or later and being honest is after all the best way to go. Good luck, I will pray for you.
That’s…a pretty good summary of my mother, actually. The way she put it - my walking away from their church is “proof” that I’m not mature enough to deserve respect. Along with a few other things, none of which do I see as issues.
 
As for why I don’t tell her…well, let me tell you about our last religious discussion.

I told her I wouldn’t be going to church with them. I felt that their church was abusive and endorsed strongly misogynistic teachings (and named several specific examples). She admitted that I was correct in my examples but brushed them off as “well no group is perfect.” At the time she criticized me sharply but did not argue too much.

The storm came later. She asked me to justify my decision. Repeatedly. I mean several times in a day. And she wanted to go through the exact same arguments each time, because she “still just doesn’t understand what the issue is.” At some point I refused to answer any more. This got her to alternate between telling me that obviously my heart was not right because I was not only rejecting church but disrespecting my mother, and crying and asking why didn’t I love her or care enough about my family to go to church with them.

In no case do I have any reason to believe any of my arguments were actually listened to. The one time I brought up Catholic teaching she repeated several of the classic lines, and then brushed me off as ignorant and naive when I brought up evidence to the contrary. I really do think she means well, but she seems to have gotten stuck in the homeschool parent mode that she was in when I was younger - no matter what, she’s the parent, so she knows more than me and it’s my job to accept what she says as true.
 
As a general rule you should inquire where is the Catholic church and what is the mass schedule. If there is no Catholic church within a reasonable distance then you are not obligated to attend mass.
As for your family, i recommend trying to not get into arguments. Smile be friendly. and remember a life lived in holiness is a better sermon than a long and eloquent discourse.
:):)🙂
 
DarkLight,
Are you talking about Christmas or Thanksgiving? If Christmas, I would find out a special midnight Mass nearby and ask if any in your family would like to join you–esp if you have a sympathetic sibling who would be willing to be on your side. whom you could discuss this with ahead of time.

I am a homeschooling mother, and it is hard to get out of the mode! My oldest and I had a discussion when she was 18 or so because she said I sometimes treated her like a child, and I told her that I had only been the mother of children, and just as she was learning to be an adult and sometimes had trouble with that, I was learning to be the mother of an adult and sometimes had trouble with that. Your mother loves you and wants what’s best for you, but sometimes that is not well-expressed.

Even for Catholics, the obligation is not binding if it is impossible or even very difficult to go to Mass. There are many circumstances: being sick, caring for a sick person who cannot be left alone, distance, *travelling, *where one might not be able to get to Mass due to lack of a car, being out in the wilderness, etc. For example, you will not have a car: is the church anywhere near your parents’ house?

What I would do is wait until spring and then JOYFULLY announce your reception into the Church by inviting them to the ceremony. Even if they won’t come because of distance. *Be totally happy!!! *Tell them you are happy the Holy Spirit has led you to the Catholic Church! Say, I am so happy and I want to invite you to join me when I am received into the Catholic Church! etc. Once it is a “done deal,” your mother may back off on the discussions, and if you show your happiness, they may be reluctant to be very critical.
 
As for why I don’t tell her…well, let me tell you about our last religious discussion.

I told her I wouldn’t be going to church with them. I felt that their church was abusive and endorsed strongly misogynistic teachings (and named several specific examples). She admitted that I was correct in my examples but brushed them off as “well no group is perfect.” At the time she criticized me sharply but did not argue too much.

The storm came later. She asked me to justify my decision. Repeatedly. I mean several times in a day. And she wanted to go through the exact same arguments each time, because she “still just doesn’t understand what the issue is.” At some point I refused to answer any more. This got her to alternate between telling me that obviously my heart was not right because I was not only rejecting church but disrespecting my mother, and crying and asking why didn’t I love her or care enough about my family to go to church with them.

In no case do I have any reason to believe any of my arguments were actually listened to. The one time I brought up Catholic teaching she repeated several of the classic lines, and then brushed me off as ignorant and naive when I brought up evidence to the contrary. I really do think she means well, but she seems to have gotten stuck in the homeschool parent mode that she was in when I was younger - no matter what, she’s the parent, so she knows more than me and it’s my job to accept what she says as true.
I have to say, that this attitude toward adult children is not unique to home-schoolers. I went to public school, and there really isn’t a single subject about which my mother will listen to me with respect, except of course those subjects on which we happen to agree. And as to how long that lasts, I have certainly had more than one 29th birthday by now. We just won’t say how many. 🙂

Fortunately for me, my mother has a somewhat different temperament than yours. So rather than haranguing me for days about a disagreement, she just shuts down the conversation immediately and sulks for a while. In the days when I used to be stupid enough to try to keep the subject going, she would just get into a state about how everyone always contradicts her and nobody shows her respect and so forth. I have now given up ever having my ideas and beliefs respected by my mother. It’s a shame because it means she thinks we have a much closer relationship than we actually have, because I just avoid telling her anything she would be disrespectful about. Some of those things are pretty important to me. We can’t discuss politics AT ALL.

Funnily enough, one of the (less important, since I have no children) subjects that she used to treat me like some sort of idiot child about is home-schooling. She felt quite strongly that we have some sort of obligation to support public schools by sending our children there, and if that meant early sexualization of children, hugely increased access to illegal drugs, that weird “nobody understands me unless they are exactly my age” thing and whatever else, well, it was unrealistic to try to avoid any of that. I’m not saying there aren’t valid arguments on both sides, and I would have been happy to have a discussion about them with her, but that wasn’t possible, because if the response to every one of your arguments is basically, “You don’t know what you’re talking about,” you can’t have a discussion.

For you, since you can’t have a discussion about it with her, I’d listen to her views once, respectfully, letting her get them all out. Then you can respond something like, “I understand your views, and I respect you as a person, but this is my life, and I have to make my own decisions based on my own experiences. I don’t think we should probably talk about this during the holidays, because I won’t be changing my mind, and we don’t want everyone’s Christmas to be ruined. I’ll be happy if you want to pray for me, but please don’t argue with me.”

I think that if you wait until spring to tell them, your family would have some justification in thinking that you were a bit secretive with them over the holidays because you didn’t tell them. They might also think you were ashamed. But I do agree with St Francis that you do need to let them see your joy. Pray that the Holy Spirit will shine out from you and they will see your holy joy!

–Jen
 
Lots to think about. I may just postpone the visit until slightly after Christmas proper. Unfortunately she’s pretty good at creating a no-win situation - if I don’t engage her, she starts in on me about how I’m not even listening and don’t I care enough about her to talk to her. It’s very hard, especially since much as I want to be a good example, I realize that no matter how polite I am she’s going to feel disrespected.

I’m thinking I’d rather tell them after everything is already done. My worry is that they’d decide to show up and try to stage an intervention.
 
Try a cop out type of thing and suggest midnight mass as a ‘novelty’ and its about Christmas or don’t your family do Christmas either. People come to Midnight Mass and never step foot in the church till the next midnight mass. I think our priest who was new then was watching the church fill up with a silent pleased but…? at the same time. So could you perhaps pretend to your family its the in thing to do. Of course you know better and why you are doing so but just to get them on your side innocently as such. Or on Christmas Eve just make it a sudden announcement that you fancy going and would anyone go with you, if they say no just calmly go and when you come back just say its that Christmas feel or something loosely. A few suggestions.
 
Try a cop out type of thing and suggest midnight mass as a ‘novelty’ and its about Christmas or don’t your family do Christmas either. People come to Midnight Mass and never step foot in the church till the next midnight mass. I think our priest who was new then was watching the church fill up with a silent pleased but…? at the same time. So could you perhaps pretend to your family its the in thing to do. Of course you know better and why you are doing so but just to get them on your side innocently as such. Or on Christmas Eve just make it a sudden announcement that you fancy going and would anyone go with you, if they say no just calmly go and when you come back just say its that Christmas feel or something loosely. A few suggestions.
They’re of the “the Catholic church is a tool of Satan to send people to hell” type of protestant. Christmas eve and Christmas morning are expected to be spend at their church.
 
I agree with the others who have said that you don’t as of yet have an obligation to attend Mass. **Also, since you are a self-supporting adult, it is your business what religion you choose to belong to. ** Could you bring yourself to just convey the information nonchalantly and refuse to be drawn into arguments? Anxiety issues would obviously make this difficult but what if you said something like (in rebuttal to their inevitable criticism/outrage), “Thank you so much for your opinion. This is what I have chosen for myself”. Repeat ad infinitum

Anyway, I’ll be rooting for you and will keep you in my prayers.
Remember what grasscutter says here.
As for why I don’t tell her…well, let me tell you about our last religious discussion.

I told her I wouldn’t be going to church with them. I felt that their church was abusive and endorsed strongly misogynistic teachings (and named several specific examples). She admitted that I was correct in my examples but brushed them off as “well no group is perfect.” At the time she criticized me sharply but did not argue too much.

The storm came later. She asked me to justify my decision. Repeatedly. I mean several times in a day. And she wanted to go through the exact same arguments each time, because she “still just doesn’t understand what the issue is.” At some point I refused to answer any more. This got her to alternate between telling me that obviously my heart was not right because I was not only rejecting church but disrespecting my mother, and crying and asking why didn’t I love her or care enough about my family to go to church with them.

In no case do I have any reason to believe any of my arguments were actually listened to. The one time I brought up Catholic teaching she repeated several of the classic lines, and then brushed me off as ignorant and naive when I brought up evidence to the contrary. I really do think she means well, but she seems to have gotten stuck in the homeschool parent mode that she was in when I was younger - no matter what, she’s the parent, so she knows more than me and it’s my job to accept what she says as true.
Treat it like you are shampooing your hair. Wash, rinse, repeat.

“Mom, I am a self supporting adult. I am capable of choosing my own religion.”

Repeat this every time she brings it up. In other words, refuse to argue.

She brings it up, you repeat and walk away. She brings it up, you repeat and walk away. She brings it up, well you get the idea.
 
Remember what grasscutter says here.

Treat it like you are shampooing your hair. Wash, rinse, repeat.

“Mom, I am a self supporting adult. I am capable of choosing my own religion.”

Repeat this every time she brings it up. In other words, refuse to argue.

She brings it up, you repeat and walk away. She brings it up, you repeat and walk away. She brings it up, well you get the idea.
That…I dunno. I know it’s what I’m supposed to do, but it seems to make things even worse when I do it.
 
I know how you feel:hug1:
I’m in a similar situation, except I was raised Catholic… so going to mass is definitely an obligation for me 😛
I told my parents through email. Just casually mentioned that I was going to mass 😃
There is still a lot of tension when I go home… and I know it’s hard, but I just try to avoid arguments. When I get lectured, I’ll keep quiet and if I have to, respond in a letter- short and sweet, so that I’m calm and don’t end up arguing back or anything- and I found that my parents take things much better that way.

I hope that made sense. But I hope you’re able to sort things out with your family. I’ll be praying for you. Please pray for me too 🙂
 
Hi Darklight,

I am sorry you are facing this problem with your family.

I hope my own account might help you, as unfortunately I too am in a similar position. My father, who I’m very close to, is also very anti-Catholic - something which I think has something to do with my mother, who was a Roman Catholic, who died when I was young.

My dad is also verbally and emotionally abusive, so I can imagine just how it will go. I will be doing something he personally disagrees with, to a religion he dislikes. He doesn’t even like that I am no longer living with him (at 27).

I am not sure what I am doing at Christmas yet so it is possible he won’t need to know if I am not staying with him. Sometimes I wonder why I should even tell him - is it any of his business as I don’t even live with him? My religion is not his affair, after all. But then I think that he is family, and he will have to find out at some point.

So personally I too am not sure when or how to tell him. Before Christmas? Near the Easter vigil? I would like him to be at the Easter vigil (don’t know if he would actually come though), but the longer time he has to accept it, the more likely he is to come.

Your parents are different to my family as yours are believers. But basically it would probably be easier to tell them in advance - and perhaps in a letter where you can explain why you have chosen to become Catholic and where you can say that it is your own decision and you don’t want any argument over it. I am considering writing a letter to my dad about it, as well as one telling him of my anger at the things he has said to me over the years (as I suppress it rather than reacting to him). My mental health isn’t great either, so I do not want my dad to jeopardise it by anger/ sulking/ criticism/ silent treatment. But however he reacts, he is going to accept it at some point, because I’m not going to change my mind about it. He will have to accept it is my decision and that he has no say in it, good or bad.
 
just tell them that you are Catholic now.
Honestly this makes the most sense. Even if all Hell breaks loose, it will eventually calm
down and you won’t feel as anxious about this each time it comes up. I have anxiety too, and I tried to hide my reversion from my family. I finally gave up and just told them. The sneaking in and out of the house, changing into church clothes is public washrooms, or along a back road in the middle of winter and getting stuck (try explaining yourself out f that one) etc. I get mocked and made fun of all the time by my family for my piety, but it is what is. Pray to St. Rose of Lima, who also had parents who weren’t very accepting of her piety.
 
It seems like you are shooting down all of the ideas given here. Why?
Because I’ve tried a lot of things last time we had a fight about religion, including everything that’s been mentioned in this thread?

Last time I refused to engage her she broke down crying and started talking about how I’m so lost in my own sinful ways that I can’t even respect my mother enough to listen to her. And obviously if I don’t want to explain everything I don’t have reasons and I just can’t bear to part with my sin long enough to hear reasons against it.

I came home from that visit and cried for two days straight. I’m not sure I could do that again.
 
Because I’ve tried a lot of things last time we had a fight about religion, including everything that’s been mentioned in this thread?

Last time I refused to engage her she broke down crying and started talking about how I’m so lost in my own sinful ways that I can’t even respect my mother enough to listen to her. And obviously if I don’t want to explain everything I don’t have reasons and I just can’t bear to part with my sin long enough to hear reasons against it.

I came home from that visit and cried for two days straight. I’m not sure I could do that again.
Eventually you’re going to have to suck it up and tell them if it comes up once you are Catholic, as it’s considered grave matter to deny your faith. No one said it was easy to be Catholic. In the EF of Confirmation the person being confirmed gets a slap across the face from the bishop as a symbol of being willing to stand up for your faith when things get rough. Put on your Armour of God and join the Church Militant.
 
Eventually you’re going to have to suck it up and tell them if it comes up once you are Catholic, as it’s considered grave matter to deny your faith. No one said it was easy to be Catholic. In the EF of Confirmation the person being confirmed gets a slap across the face from the bishop as a symbol of being willing to stand up for your faith when things get rough. Put on your Armour of God and join the Church Militant.
Once I don’t need money from them I’m not going to visit a bunch. Unfortunately, where I am right now I have a lot of medical bills and neither money nor decent insurance to handle them. I’m making enough to support a normal adult, but not enough to support someone with a disability.

I’m just afraid…I’ve been close to losing my job from stress. I’ve been in bad spots before and I saw neither deities nor christians willing to help out. I’d rather take the prudential route and keep a roof over my head.
 
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