Mass prior to 1962

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Peace and all Good everyone!

I hope you’re all having a blessed beginning to the week.

I was just wondering what the major changes were in the Mass in 1962, was it intended to be a simplification of some prayers & rubrics of the Mass before this?

I think one of the changes was also the introduction of St Joseph into the Roman Canon, is that correct?

Many thanks!!
 
As an 8th grade Catholic school student I can tell you what made the greatest impression on me, going from Latin to English and having the priest face us at the altar. For my entire grade school experience we went to Mass first before school started and by the 8th grade I could say both parts of the Mass, ours and the priests’, in Latin. You can imagine what a change it was for us, a welcome change though! I will be looking forward to what others share as to the specific changes.
 
mountee said:
As an 8th grade Catholic school student I can tell you what made the greatest impression on me, going from Latin to English and having the priest face us at the altar. For my entire grade school experience we went to Mass first before school started and by the 8th grade I could say both parts of the Mass, ours and the priests’, in Latin. You can imagine what a change it was for us, a welcome change though! I will be looking forward to what others share as to the specific changes.
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Peace and all Good!

Thanks mountee!

Yes, it must have been quite a change! I think is was for some of my older relatives who can remember it too (I didn’t appear on the scene until significantly later, when these things were much better established!)

I also know that there were specific changes to the Traditional Latin Mass in 1962, in addition to the subsequent Novus Ordo Missae released in 1970 and the allowing of the Mass in the vernacular. I probably could have phrased my initial post better but in this thread I’m more specifically interested in the changes to the TLM introduced by St John XXIII

God Bless

Sonny
 
Sonny89 said:
Peace and all Good everyone!

I hope you’re all having a blessed beginning to the week.

I was just wondering what the major changes were in the Mass in 1962, was it intended to be a simplification of some prayers & rubrics of the Mass before this?

I think one of the changes was also the introduction of St Joseph into the Roman Canon, is that correct?

Many thanks!!
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Mass reforms began in 1948, with the biggest changes coming in Holy Week in 1955 and cultimated with the 1962 Missal. Multi-collects and such were eliminated in favor of one. Yes, St. Joseph was introduced in this missal and it also followed Veterum Sapientia, which effectively banned the vernacular in “all religious matters.” According to many sources, St. John XXIII was opposed to any (more) simplifications to the Mass.
 
ProVobis said:
Mass reforms began in 1948, with the biggest changes coming in Holy Week in 1955 and cultimated with the 1962 Missal. Multi-collects and such were eliminated in favor of one. Yes, St. Joseph was introduced in this missal and it also followed Veterum Sapientia, which effectively banned the vernacular in “all religious matters.” According to many sources, St. John XXIII was opposed to any (more) simplifications to the Mass.
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Peace and All Good!

Many thanks ProVobis. Your response was very helpful. Were there,then, several Collects for each Mass before the reforms culminating in 1962? I also seem to remember hearing that the Liturgical Calendar of Feastdays & Memorias etc was changed as well or am I getting muddled?

:blessyou:
 
I’m not an expert (it happened years before I was born), but one change made in 1962 Latin Missal were the removal of the Leonine Prayers after Mass (for a solution to the Roman Question/Conversion of Russia, and the prayer to Archangel Michael). Pope St. John XXIII made changes to the Good Friday prayers, like re-wording the prayer for the Jewish People, but that might have been before 1962.

I look forward to finding out about other changes 😃
 
As noted above, the liturgy didn’t just suddenly change in 1962. Besides the Holy Week changes under Pius XII, there were significant changes to the rubrics under St. John XXIII in 1960 (but in both cases under the immediate supervision of Cardinal Bugnini). Notably, the ranking system of liturgical days was simplified (no more semi-doubles, etc.). Between those changes and the missal of 1962, a lot of feasts, vigils, octaves, and collects were abandoned. Other changes included:

– Sundays given preference over most feasts that fall on Sunday

– Prayers at the foot of the altar omitted on certain feast days.

– Name of St Joseph inserted in Canon

– Confiteor before Communion at Low Mass & Sung Mass omitted (but later permitted by PCED where it is customary)

– Last Gospel is usually the John 1 text (instead of drawn from a wider variety of texts more often)
 
PGFrassati said:
I’m not an expert (it happened years before I was born), but one change made in 1962 Latin Missal were the removal of the Leonine Prayers after Mass (for a solution to the Roman Question/Conversion of Russia, and the prayer to Archangel Michael).
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The changes in 1964 (not the 62 missal) included removal of the Leonine Prayers, the Last Gospel, the Prayers at the Foot of the Altar, replacing them with hymns. It also introduced a new shortened communion formula and allowed an expansion of the vernacular. St John XXIII had nothing to do with what happened after 1962.

AFAIK, as far as the calendar was concerned, it wasn’t massively (no pun intended) changed till 1970.
 
Peace and All Good!!

Thank you very much to all of you for your responses. Very interesting and informative. I love to discover more about the rich liturgical heritage of Holy Mother Church & the various twist & turns & tweaks that took place over the years.

can anyone recommend any good books about the TLM and its development up to '62? I have the little CTS book on the EF but I’d love to get my teeth into something more substantial :D. I’ve been reading “The Holy Mass” by Dom Gueranger OSB, which is aw wonderful little treasure but I’d definitely appreciate any more information and/or recommendations and resources.

:blessyou::blessyou:
 
Basically, if you went to Mass in 1570, it will look Mass in 1962, the only way you would notice differences are if you looked at the Calendar( This really the only thing that ever changed between the time period). The only thing that substantially changed was Holy Week.
 
Ad_Orientem said:
As noted above, the liturgy didn’t just suddenly change in 1962. Besides the Holy Week changes under Pius XII, there were significant changes to the rubrics under St. John XXIII in 1960 (but in both cases under the immediate supervision of Cardinal Bugnini). Notably, the ranking system of liturgical days was simplified (no more semi-doubles, etc.). Between those changes and the missal of 1962, a lot of feasts, vigils, octaves, and collects were abandoned. Other changes included:

– Sundays given preference over most feasts that fall on Sunday

– Prayers at the foot of the altar omitted on certain feast days.

– Name of St Joseph inserted in Canon

– Confiteor before Communion at Low Mass & Sung Mass omitted (but later permitted by PCED where it is customary)

– Last Gospel is usually the John 1 text (instead of drawn from a wider variety of texts more often)
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Peace and all Good!

Thanks Ad Orientem,

That’s interesting about the Last Gospel. Do you know any examples of permitted alternatives to John 1 prior to the reforms?

God Bless!
 
Sonny89 said:
can anyone recommend any good books about the TLM and its development up to '62?
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If you don’t mind the traditionalist polemics inserted here and there, Michael Davies wrote a very readable Short History of the Roman Mass, based on a larger work by Fr. Adrian Fortescue (I forget the title). You can get the former for $2.50 over at TAN. There are also some e-book versions circulating on the internet, but I don’t know if they are legal.

If you want something more in depth (but only up to 1902), the go-to book is the classic by Fr. Nicholas Gihr, The holy sacrifice of the mass: dogmatically, liturgically and ascetically explained. I believe it’s out of print, but you can get a free ebook of it on OpenLibrary.org and in other places.
 
Ad_Orientem said:
If you don’t mind the traditionalist polemics inserted here and there, Michael Davies wrote a very readable Short History of the Roman Mass, based on a larger work by Fr. Adrian Fortescue (I forget the title). You can get the former for $2.50 over at TAN. There are also some e-book versions circulating on the internet, but I don’t know if they are legal.

If you want something more in depth (but only up to 1902), the go-to book is the classic by Fr. Nicholas Gihr, The holy sacrifice of the mass: dogmatically, liturgically and ascetically explained. I believe it’s out of print, but you can get a free ebook of it on OpenLibrary.org and in other places.
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Peace and All Good!

Splendid! Many thanks!

Fr Adrian Fortescue sounds familiar, I think one of his works may have been mentioned in the CTS booklet, I’ll check to see if the title is there.

Many Thanks again! 👍

:blessyou:
 
Sonny89 said:
That’s interesting about the Last Gospel. Do you know any examples of permitted alternatives to John 1 prior to the reforms?
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Sorry, I don’t. It would be neat if someone had a list.

To clarify, the celebrant didn’t pick the Last Gospel from a list; rather, certain feasts had their own proper Last Gospel. These were reduced in number in 1955, and eliminated altogether in 1960. For some reason I was thinking we still had a few left in 1960, but now I’m thinking not.
 
Ad_Orientem said:
Sorry, I don’t. It would be neat if someone had a list.

To clarify, the celebrant didn’t pick the Last Gospel from a list; rather, certain feasts had their own proper Last Gospel. These were reduced in number in 1955, and eliminated altogether in 1960. For some reason I was thinking we still had a few left in 1960, but now I’m thinking not.
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You’re right, according to en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Liturgical_reforms_of_Pope_Pius_XII
Proper Last Gospels were also eliminated in the reform, with the exception of the third Mass of Christmas (when the Gospel of the Mass is taken from John 1) and at Low Masses on Palm Sunday. A “Proper Last Gospel” occurs when a commemoration is made at Mass of another feast (or feria or vigil or Sunday) of a high rank, whose Gospel is read at the end of Mass in place of the habitual Last Gospel (John 1: In principio). Prior to the reform of Pius XII, a proper Last Gospel was always said when a feast was celebrated instead of a feria of Lent, or a vigil, or a Sunday.
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Ad_Orientem said:
Sorry, I don’t. It would be neat if someone had a list.

To clarify, the celebrant didn’t pick the Last Gospel from a list; rather, certain feasts had their own proper Last Gospel. These were reduced in number in 1955, and eliminated altogether in 1960. For some reason I was thinking we still had a few left in 1960, but now I’m thinking not.
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Peace and All Good!

Thanks for the clarification :).

God Bless you for your help!
 
Regarding the last gospel, most of the time the alternate last gospel occurred when two feasts coincided on the same day. The gospel of the feast that was not the primary collect and other propers of the Mass then became the last gospel.

Another change in the 1962 missal was the addition of the four so-called Gallican prefaces in an appendix at the back of the missal. These were prefaces for Advent, the Blessed Sacrament, All Saints and Holy Patrons, and the Dedication of a Church. Also included were all of the standard prefaces in a third tone, the elaborate * solemniore* tone.
 
Chatter163 said:
Regarding the last gospel, most of the time the alternate last gospel occurred when two feasts coincided on the same day. The gospel of the feast that was not the primary collect and other propers of the Mass then became the last gospel.

Another change in the 1962 missal was the addition of the four so-called Gallican prefaces in an appendix at the back of the missal. These were prefaces for Advent, the Blessed Sacrament, All Saints and Holy Patrons, and the Dedication of a Church. Also included were all of the standard prefaces in a third tone, the elaborate * solemniore* tone.
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Peace and all Good!

Thanks Chatter163!

That’s very helpful 🙂
 
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