Mass Requirements

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Hello all,

Thank you for your replies. I can certainly see where authority plays a role in this.

I have a few more thoughts. At the end of the day, it is the individual, not the Church, whom gets a person to Heaven. The reason so many of my previous churches as ENCOURAGED, but not REQUIRED, people to attend, is just for that very reason. They would rather people come out of desire, to honestly seek out The Lord, as opposed to just blindly coming every Sunday, dozing off, playing on their phones, thinking about lunch, etc.

When I go to Mass during the week, it’s nice. There are less people, yes, which allows me to better focus. It also allows me to de-stress from work. It’s quiet. It’s cool (temperature). It’s peaceful. I feel a real connection with those around me, and when I say and receive “peace be with you” with those around me, it feels sincere.

When I go to Mass on Saturdays or Sundays, it’s overcrowded. People are still coming into Mass after it’s been going for 20 minutes or more, and people are in the isles trying to cram people into pews. There are lots of screaming children. There are lots of people obviously not interested in being there. It is considerably warm, due to all of the bodies in one place. It is extremely distracting, and of course, due to being on the weekend, makes it all the more easier to think about “hmmm, what can I do tonight” (Saturday) or “hmmm, I wonder what’s for brunch? I wonder if the game will be on today?” (Sunday).

I prefer to go to Mass during the week, and I cherish the times I go, and I really give myself to the Lord. I would hope that this pleases Him more, than say, if I just showed up on weekends with hundreds of other people, many of whom are in “zombie mode”, not really paying attention, and coming up with every excuse, mentally, as to why the environment isn’t especially comfortable.

So let’s say I only go to weekend Mass a dozen or so more times in my lifetime, but spend the rest of my life going to weekly Mass as often as possible. I also take the quiet moments, including those on the weekend, in prayer, in solitude with The Lord, talking to Him, sharing with Him my deepest desires (not that he doesn’t already know them), and really doing everything I can to craft that INDIVIDUAL relationship… when I do pass on from this life, will God say to me “You did not attend Mass/Church on the weekends. Depart from me, I do not know ye.”, or will he embrace me with open arms, for having come to Him as a child in need of a Father, and taking Him with me wherever I go, whenever, not just leaving Him inside of the Church building, like so many others?

Think about it.
You are correct in your thoughts. There should be more emphasis placed on stillness and quiet in the church at all times so that one can concentrate upon the mass, but it still stands as church teaching that Sunday is the day that was made for the Lord. It is a holy day of obligation because it is the day Christ rose from the dead and reunited with the Apostles before ascending into heaven. Christ came back to life on Sunday and is alive
for everyone to know of him and be WITH him on Sunday at mass.
 
I want to go to Church, because God PERSONALLY invites me to, not because some Church says “Well God said we have the power, and we say DO IT!”. .
That Church you are referring to is the Mystical Body of Christ…when the Church says to do something, it is Christ who says it. You will learn more about this in RCIA (hopefully).
 
That Church you are referring to is the Mystical Body of Christ…when the Church says to do something, it is Christ who says it. You will learn more about this in RCIA (hopefully).
The Church does not equal Jesus Christ. The Church is what assists us in connecting with Jesus Christ, learning of Him, and growing closer to Him by studying His teachings and being in close proximity with His other followers.

I realize many will point to the scripture that says whatever shall be bound on Earth, shall be bound in Heaven. I don’t think this means “whatever the Church says/decrees/does, is officially backed by Heaven”. For Jesus to authorize that, as is, would be irresponsible, as man is too flawed and sinful to be able to wield such authority…
 
I often skip town on the weekends, to recoup from the daily stresses of work. When I do go out of town, rest assured, I do spend a great deal of time in reflection, prayer, devotions, etc, so it’s not like I’ve blocked out God for the weekend…
Just a thought, just about anywhere you go will have a Catholic Church nearby, I do a lot of traveling for work & use the internet to find Mass times & locations for where ever I plan on going.
 
The Church does not equal Jesus Christ. The Church is what assists us in connecting with Jesus Christ, learning of Him, and growing closer to Him by studying His teachings and being in close proximity with His other followers.

I realize many will point to the scripture that says whatever shall be bound on Earth, shall be bound in Heaven. I don’t think this means “whatever the Church says/decrees/does, is officially backed by Heaven”. For Jesus to authorize that, as is, would be irresponsible, as man is too flawed and sinful to be able to wield such authority…
So, you are second-guessing Our Lord? Could there be pride here?
 
Originally Posted by jasphair
The Church does not equal Jesus Christ. The Church is what assists us in connecting with Jesus Christ, learning of Him, and growing closer to Him by studying His teachings and being in close proximity with His other followers.

I realize many will point to the scripture that says whatever shall be bound on Earth, shall be bound in Heaven. I don’t think this means “whatever the Church says/decrees/does, is officially backed by Heaven”. For Jesus to authorize that, as is, would be irresponsible, as man is too flawed and sinful to be able to wield such authority…

So, you are second-guessing Our Lord? Could there be pride here?

It sounds like he has serious doubts that only a priest can help him with. I suggest talking to the parish priest and having him clarify more so what we are trying to explain. I’m sure the priest could answer the questions you may have better than we can. But feel free always to participate!👍
 
Originally Posted by jasphair
The Church does not equal Jesus Christ. The Church is what assists us in connecting with Jesus Christ, learning of Him, and growing closer to Him by studying His teachings and being in close proximity with His other followers.

I realize many will point to the scripture that says whatever shall be bound on Earth, shall be bound in Heaven. I don’t think this means “whatever the Church says/decrees/does, is officially backed by Heaven”. For Jesus to authorize that, as is, would be irresponsible, as man is too flawed and sinful to be able to wield such authority…

So, you are second-guessing Our Lord? Could there be pride here?

It sounds like he has serious doubts that only a priest can help him with. I suggest talking to the parish priest and having him clarify more so what we are trying to explain. I’m sure the priest could answer the questions you may have better than we can. But feel free always to participate!👍
I agree;)
 
Well, you see, this is why Scripture not only tells us that Christ has founded a church on which the gates of hell will not prevail, that He gave the apostles authority to ‘bind and loose’, that He established the Church as the pillar and foundation of truth, and that He does indeed identify Himself with His Church.

Consider this. When Saul is pursuing the Christians and persecuting them, he is blinded by a light and hears a voice, “Saul, Saul, why are you persecuting Me?” And he says, “Who are you”, and the voice says, “I am Jesus of Nazareth whom you are persecuting.”

Not, “I am Jesus whose CHURCH -a separate entity–you are pursuing. Or” I am Jesus, whose followers you are persecuting."

It is “I am JESUS whom you are persecuting.” Jesus and the Church are one in mystic union.
 
Lord God help us all…especially jasphair…let him realize the meaning of your words and the body of your church. To be in communion with you is to attend mass as you have told us to do when we gather to pray!

The10 Commandments look em up! It is written in **stone **to keep holy the Sabbath…v. To attend the mass on Sundays!!!
 
Greetings,

As someone who is just starting the RCIA program, I’m a bit put off by the strict requirements of having to attend weekly Mass. By weekly, I specifically mean Saturday or Sunday. I try and attend daily mass several times a week, following work, but according to my RCIA director, this means absolutely nothing, if Mass on Saturday or Sunday is missed.

I’ve come from a Protestant background which has often taught that Church is not REQUIRED, but rather, encouraged, based from some scripture (I cannot quote) which says that it is good to have fellowship with other believers, but does not specifically state "all good Christians must attend Church (Mass) on X Y Z days of the week…

My RCIA director has told me that somewhere it says that church is to be attended the first day of the week (Sundays). It doesn’t seem like something God would specifically mandate, however, given His openness with us. I mean, He doesn’t discriminate against sinners when it comes to salvation (as in who to forgive, etc - he forgives everyone), so I find it hard to believe His stance would be (okay, I’ve saved you, now report to Mass on Saturday or Sunday, or you’ve committed a mortal sin).

I feel great going to Mass during the week. I often skip town on the weekends, to recoup from the daily stresses of work. When I do go out of town, rest assured, I do spend a great deal of time in reflection, prayer, devotions, etc, so it’s not like I’ve blocked out God for the weekend… I just prefer to do Mass during the week. Am I such a bad person for wanting this? Am I condemning myself because of this? As I said, to me, God doesn’t come across as one to care WHEN we go to church, as much as that we DO, if it helps bring us closer to Him.

Your thoughts?
Realize two things:
  1. I think Protestants are fond of saying, too, that God didn’t give Moses the Ten Suggestions. There is such a thing as a command, as a spiritual obligation. To worship the Lord on the Lord’s day is the tribute that justice requires of us. We may not shirk that duty lightly.
    From the Ten Commandments, you know that one day is not like another. The commandment does not say, “Set aside a day of your choosing for God.” There is a specific day, because this is a communal day of celebration and prayer. The Jews understand what a tremendous gift the Sabbath is. I don’t know how Christians lost that sense.
    The Lord’s Day is the ultimate day for celebration of His Resurrection. In each week, in fact, each Friday is a day for penance and almsgiving, a Little Lent, as it were, and each Sunday is a day for celebrating the Resurrection, a Little Easter Season, as it were. So not only should we do no less than attend Mass each Sunday (that is the minimum), but we should also do some sort of singular penance or act of almsgiving each Friday, even if we don’t abstain from meat (that is the minimum, too.)
  2. The Mass is also not just one mode of reflection, prayer, fellowship, and devotion among many others. It is, rather, “the source and summit of the Christian life.” It is alone in its merit as an act of worship. Among all spiritual practices, the Mass has no peer. There is not even a close second.
That is why we need a serious reason to miss Sunday Mass even once, and why we should not hope that such a reason comes our way. The Mass is a tremendous privelege, and Sunday a tremendous gift.
 
Realize two things:
  1. I think Protestants are fond of saying, too, that God didn’t give Moses the Ten Suggestions. There is such a thing as a command, as a spiritual obligation. To worship the Lord on the Lord’s day is the tribute that justice requires of us. We may not shirk that duty lightly.
    From the Ten Commandments, you know that one day is not like another. The commandment does not say, “Set aside a day of your choosing for God.” There is a specific day, because this is a communal day of celebration and prayer. The Jews understand what a tremendous gift the Sabbath is. I don’t know how Christians lost that sense.
    The Lord’s Day is the ultimate day for celebration of His Resurrection. In each week, in fact, each Friday is a day for penance and almsgiving, a Little Lent, as it were, and each Sunday is a day for celebrating the Resurrection, a Little Easter Season, as it were. So not only should we do no less than attend Mass each Sunday (that is the minimum), but we should also do some sort of singular penance or act of almsgiving each Friday, even if we don’t abstain from meat (that is the minimum, too.)
  2. The Mass is also not just one mode of reflection, prayer, fellowship, and devotion among many others. It is, rather, “the source and summit of the Christian life.” It is alone in its merit as an act of worship. Among all spiritual practices, the Mass has no peer. There is not even a close second.
That is why we need a serious reason to miss Sunday Mass even once, and why we should not hope that such a reason comes our way. The Mass is a tremendous privelege, and Sunday a tremendous gift.
I agree wholeheartedly.
 
The Church does not equal Jesus Christ. The Church is what assists us in connecting with Jesus Christ, learning of Him, and growing closer to Him by studying His teachings and being in close proximity with His other followers.

I realize many will point to the scripture that says whatever shall be bound on Earth, shall be bound in Heaven. I don’t think this means “whatever the Church says/decrees/does, is officially backed by Heaven”. For Jesus to authorize that, as is, would be irresponsible, as man is too flawed and sinful to be able to wield such authority…
vatican.va/holy_father/pius_xii/encyclicals/documents/hf_p-xii_enc_29061943_mystici-corporis-christi_en.html

" 9. For while there still survives a false rationalism, which ridicules anything that transcends and defies the power of human genius, and which is accompanied by a cognate error, the so-called popular naturalism, which sees and wills to see in the Church nothing but a juridical and social union,…]"

" 13. If we would define and describe this true Church of Jesus Christ - which is the One, Holy, Catholic, Apostolic and Roman Church [12] - we shall find nothing more noble, more sublime, or more divine than the expression “the Mystical Body of Christ” - an expression which springs from and is, as it were, the fair flowering of the repeated teaching of the Sacred Scriptures and the Holy Fathers."

" 22. …]And therefore, if a man refuse to hear the Church, let him be considered - so the Lord commands - as a heathen and a publican. [19] It follows that those who are divided in faith or government cannot be living in the unity of such a Body, nor can they be living the life of its one Divine Spirit."
vatican.va/holy_father/pius_xii/encyclicals/documents/hf_p-xii_enc_29061943_mystici-corporis-christi_en.html

Matt 18: 17-18
17 And if he will not hear them: tell the church. And if he will not hear the church, let him be to thee as the heathen and publican. 18 Amen I say to you, whatsoever you shall bind upon earth, shall be bound also in heaven; and whatsoever you shall loose upon earth, shall be loosed also in heaven.

Jasphair, I realize that you do not know much about the Faith yet, but you should continue to learn always, (and perhaps use the internet for more edifying purposes ;)) …but remember what St. Paul says:

Eph 5: 32
32This is a profound mystery—but I am talking about Christ and the church.
 
I think the reason why it is Sunday is because it is the Sabbath, the Lord’s own Day 🙂 of course all days are His, but this is the day He rested from His work (Genesis). So we honour Him on that day and rest too. We go to church simply to spend time with Him, out of love. The reason Saturday 5:00 pm Mass counts for the Sunday obligation is because in Biblical times, the day would begin on the evening of the previous day. So Sunday “begins” Saturday evening.

God bless
 
jasphair

Good Luck on your Journey of Faith … I hope you learn much during RCIA … I have worked with RCIA for nearly two decades now … everyone’s faith journey is unigue … Please take no offense at my ppost … however: Here are some questions & thoughts after reading your posts …

Why did you begin RCIA? What is calling you to discern a call to the Christian life lived in the Church Christ founded? What draws you? … Is this a personal choice? Are you marrying a Catholic and it just seems like you have to?

I understand from your posts that your 'prefer to attend weekday masses’ … I actually understand that sentiment … but understand that weekday mass attendence is considered an optional, personal and private devotion … so your personal preference fits that model …

Sunday [the Lord’s Day - evening to morning - Saturday Vigil - Sunday] observance for Christians [Sabbath - for the Jews from which we come] is and always has been a God mandated requirement … We come at the behest of our Creator … we gather - as a people of God, followers of Christ - a Community [that is what the “Church” is - not a building - a community] … Together, unitied in faith, worshiping our Lord … The Church thorugh its Bishops is requird to instruct us in matters of faith, practice and morals … We are to gather - as a community - once a week to celebrate Easter, Resurrection, the Lord’s day … Every Sunday is a feast day, a celebration of the tiumph over sin and death … 👍 … you would not want the Church to teach something different would you?

It is not an either / or scenario … You may make it Both…

Christianity; especially within the Catholic Tradition, is not a faith of “Me and Jesus” … Our faith is an “Us and Jesus” … we may have an individual relationship with Christ but we are called into and accepted by a*** Community *** of Believers!!!

And Jesus founded a Church on Peter, to whom He [Jesus] gave the Keys of the Kingdom … the successor of Peter holds those keys to this very day … Jesus gave a a leadership, in the Apostles that continues to the present - the successors of the Apostles are the Bishops … Jesus didnot build a Church of bricks and morter [He also did not write a Book or a Letter - the New Testament would not be put together for a decades after the Crucifixion - about a gernation or so] … He built a Community, a Community with Structure and Leadership …

Again, I will be praying for you on your journey …

And do not fear traveling … the Church is everywhere … try out this page

masstimes.org/dotnet/Default.aspx

You can find a Church where you are and join together with the Catholic [Universal] Church whereever you are …
 
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