Mass Through Prison Bars

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First of all, I don’t want this thread to be a rant about pedophile priests, or about the way the Church handled that whole incident. I want to use that as an example to challenge our faith in the validity of the sacraments of Holy Orders and the Eucharist.

I walked by an old prison building in London the other day, which held Catholic priests during the religious persecutions under Henry VIII. Many of them went on to be martyred for their witness to the faith. (It also then held protestant pastors during the persecutions under Mary Tudor, and then Catholic priests again, demonstrating the difficulties of having a state religion, but that’s beside the point).

What really struck me was that, during this time, many ordinary people in London used to gather outside the prison, where the priest would celebrate mass and distribute the sacrament through the prison bars. The faith of these people, going right up to the prison guards and receiving from the hands of these condemned men who were considered enemies of the state, is incredible.

It also got me to thinking: the respect we have for priests should be based on the indelible mark of their ordination, God’s calling in them, not their own righteousness. Although there is a world of difference in God’s eyes between these brave martyrs and the priests in our jails today for abusing young children, they are both alike empowered to confect the body, blood, soul and divinity of Christ in the Blessed Sacrament.

And that, in turn got me to thinking: If there was no other way to receive the Eucharist, if there was a serious shortage of priests in your diocese, or even no Catholic Churches at all, would you accept that the Eucharist is of such great value, irrespective of who gives it? Would you travel to a prison to receive Mass from a convicted pedophile priest?
 
Wow…:hmmm: that is very thought provoking.

This should be an interesting discussion.
 
Yes! My question is why not? The priests are not worthy out of their own, they have been called by God. Remember that the Church would not allow such a priest to celebrate Mass if it were wrong. Just remember that the no Catholic Churches at all is an impossible scenario, because the gates of hell will never prevail.
 
Just remember that the no Catholic Churches at all is an impossible scenario, because the gates of hell will never prevail.
I was thinking more in terms of somewhere like Saudi Arabia where there are no churches in thousands of miles. Of course there will always be churches somewhere, but not necessarily in a place you will have access to. I believe the whole of Norway only has around 3 Catholic parishes, though I may be wrong about that.
 
I don’t know, I think it would depend on if the local diocese or the Vatican gave that priest permission to do it.

I would think that a priest convicted of molestation or any other horrible crime would not be allowed to celerate Mass?
 
And that, in turn got me to thinking: If there was no other way to receive the Eucharist, if there was a serious shortage of priests in your diocese, or even no Catholic Churches at all, would you accept that the Eucharist is of such great value, irrespective of who gives it? Would you travel to a prison to receive Mass from a convicted pedophile priest?
Yes, I would. St. Augustine said that the spiritual disposition of the celebrating priest does not affect or effect The Mass including the Consecration and administering of Holy Communion in any way in a negative fashion. Secondly “forgive us our trespasses as we forgive those who trespass against us”. No one is beyond repentance and redeption. I would certainly pray for Father and for those in prison. I am as guilty as any regardless…only the nature of our sin differs.

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Yes, I would. St. Augustine said that the spiritual disposition of the celebrating priest does not affect or effect The Mass including the Consecration and administering of Holy Communion in any way in a negative fashion. Secondly “forgive us our trespasses as we forgive those who trespass against us”. No one is beyond repentance and redeption. I would certainly pray for Father and for those in prison. I am as guilty as any regardless…only the nature of our sin differs and “let he who is without sin cast the first stone”.

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