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As a recently returned cradle Catholic I am interested in understanding the different types of Masses and which Churches I may attend as a Roman Catholic.

My local parish is not the type I grew up with. I’m in Florida and grew up in NYC area. Everything here seems “new” and very “touchy feely”. I was accustomed to Mass being more “solemn” and I would like to experience that again.

Could anyone tell me or point me to where I can find out what types of churches I can attend (RC, Eastern, Greek etc.) and the difference of the Masses (N.O., TLM)?

Thanks, Brian
 
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iamrefreshed:
As a recently returned cradle Catholic I am interested in understanding the different types of Masses and which Churches I may attend as a Roman Catholic.

My local parish is not the type I grew up with. I’m in Florida and grew up in NYC area. Everything here seems “new” and very “touchy feely”. I was accustomed to Mass being more “solemn” and I would like to experience that again.

Could anyone tell me or point me to where I can find out what types of churches I can attend (RC, Eastern, Greek etc.) and the difference of the Masses (N.O., TLM)?

Thanks, Brian
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Welcome back home.

IF you are a Roman Rite or Latin Catholic the most common will be the NO. Which can be said in either Latin or a common language of the people such as English, Spanish, German, French.

The TLM is celebrated in some parishes. However it is also offered as an illicit Mass by several separated groups, and by priests who have left the Church, SSPX being one, I also think the "Old Catholic and Polish National are a few others.

You may attend and if a “western Rite” is not available in the area fulfil your Sunday obligation at an Eastern Catholic Church, there are 23 Eastern Rites celebrated in the Eastern Catholic Church.

Then there is the Eastern Orthodox Church, They are not in communion with Rome but do celebrate a valid Divine Liturgy, Greek, Russian are the most common.

PS I plan this year to attend a Russian Orthodox Liturgy later this year while on Retreat. After attending for my Sunday obligation a Saturday evening Mass at a local Roman Rite parish. Although attending the Orthodox Divine Liturgy would technically meet my Obligation. But since I won’t be receiving Holy Communion in the Orthodox Liturgy I will attend both.
 
Thanks for the links. Would you be able to tell me what types of Masses, as a Roman Catholic, I am permitted to attend, )ie. Greek Orthodox, Byzantine)? I’m ashamed to admit, but I don’t know enough about the different Catholic Churches. I am trying to learn though!
 
the 1962 Mass is said with everyone (including the priest and deacons if there are any) facing the altar (ie: the priest’s “back is to the congregation”). The mass is in Latin (except the Kyrie which is Greek). Only two bible readings (epistle and gospel) not including the final reading (always the first verses of the Gospel of John) done after the Ite Missa Est. Theres a lot more kneeling and the words of the consecration are done secret (ie: we can’t hear them). If its a high mass it will be sung with a deacon and a sub-deacon and usually a whole mess of altar servers. If its a low mass it is only priest and there is no liturgical music. Either is beautiful in its own right (High Mass being very glorious with all the music, low mass being austere and very quiet). I’m assuming you’ve grown up with the current Missa Normative which can range from beautiful to bizarre. A proper, to-the-book mass said in the current rite is quite beautiful and reverent. I’ve witnessed disasters, we all have, but for me at least they have been the minimum. I just gave a very, VERY basic run through of the differences, there are more. The best way to learn is to experience the mass itself.

Eastern Liturgies I can’t explain. I will be attending my first this saturday evening (its actually not on the list above list…hence unnofficial) at a Ukranian Catholic Mission (saturday I’m assuming because I don’t think they have a resident priest,and the church is mid-construction). Perhaps an Eastern Catholic on the board can help. Something tells me that I’ll need a slightly different mindset when attending this liturgy. I’m actually quite excited about it.
 
iamrefreshed -

You may attend the Liturgy at any Particular Church in communion with the Holy See - and receive Holy Communion. You may also attend the Indult Mass according to the 1962 Roman Missal if it is available where you live.

You did not say what part of Florida in which you live. The Traditional Latin Mass is available in the Diocese of Orlando and the Archdiocese of Miami.

There are Byzantine Catholic parishes in Florida. They celebrate the Divine Liturgy of St. John Chrysostom. Most of the Liturgy is chanted. Smoe parts are similar to the NO Mass, most are not.

I am unaware of other Eastern Catholic parishes in Florida (Maronite, Chaldean, Coptic, etc.)

Check out www.byzcath.org for more information about the Byzantine Church.

You can attend an Orthodox Divine Liturgy but you may not receive Holy Communion in an Orthodox Church.
 
You can attend mass at any church sui juris (don’t ask me what that term means). There is a major distinction between the orthodox and the Byzantine Catholics. The orthodox are not in union with the Church of Rome. They have their own Patriarch’s and Metropolitan’s. A Byzantine (Eastern) Catholic both recognizes and IS recognized as being in union with Rome. Ideally, the worship in either church is almost identical (I think at least…someone want to help on this one). The Roman Church is one of the churches sui juris (and easily the largest), but so is the Ruthenian, Ukranian, Syro-Malakara, Syro-Malabar, Maronit, Melkite, etc…etc…

The best way to find out which is contacting your diocese or finding out if the church in question is part of any of the following dioceses: Philadelphia (Ukranian), Pittsburgh (Ruthenian), Newton (Greek-Melkite), Our Lady of Deliverance of Newark (Syrian), Our Lady of Lebanon of Los Angels (Maronite), Parma and Passaic (both Ruthenian), Saint George’s in Canton
 
(Romanian), St. Josaphat in Parma (Ukrainian), Saint Maron of Brooklyn (Maronite)…this is taking longer than i thought…go to this web-site

ca-catholics.net/dioceses/data/countryUS.htm

As for Latin Masses, theres a lot of politics. Stick with what is on the list I gave you.

Good Luck with all of this.
 
Br. Rich, I was under the impression that a person may fulfill their Sunday Obligation at an Eastern Church whether or not there was a Western Church nearby (in the States at least, I would think situation would be rarety). Am I mistaken?
 
Thank you all for your answers. Unfortunately, it seems, there is no easy “cheat sheet”. Maybe I can call my Diocease in Orlando.

It’s not that I don’t want to attend my local parish but I just want to experience different Masses.

Where on earth did you folks learn all of this information?! It was certainly not taught to me in CCD classes as a child.

I think that is part of my problem. There is no more education for me as a Catholic adult. It seems like you are Confirmed and bang! No more education.

Well I will put my new Catholic dictionary to work with some of the new words introduced to me this evening.

Again, thank you.
 
I am in the same situation as you. Cradle Catholic who knew close to nothing about the church (believe it or not I learned more about Catholicism from my musicology courses than I ever did in CCD). Last year at Easter I experienced a renewal of sorts and started going back to church and started doing research about what I’m supposed to believe as opposed to what I is popular.

My first experience with a Latin Mass came at a friend’s wedding which was at an SSPX chapel (I did not know of the issues with them at the time).

My best advice is do your homework. Read a catechism, learn the rules, read the Bible, etc… Find someone who can helps you along the way. Limit your time on forums like this one. Wonderful though they may be, there is a lot of anger on either side and it shows sometimes. You’ll find that there is no point when you’re “done” learning. Good Luck.
 
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pm1853:
Br. Rich, I was under the impression that a person may fulfill their Sunday Obligation at an Eastern Church whether or not there was a Western Church nearby (in the States at least, I would think situation would be rarety). Am I mistaken?
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It would depend on the Diocesan Bishop. Canon Law does specify that a Catholic must be registered in the parish church in the parish they live in. This is in many dioceses this is dispensed by the Bishop, but not all. Borrowing from this, a Catholic should be registered and attend the Ritual Church that they belong to. I’m not saying for certain that a Roman Rite Catholic who never attends a Roman Rite church but always attends an Eastern Rite Church does anything wrong . To me it just seems “not right” to not attend the Ritual Church that you belong to for other than serious reasons, like distance.
 
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iamrefreshed:
Thank you all for your answers. Unfortunately, it seems, there is no easy “cheat sheet”. Maybe I can call my Diocease in Orlando.

It’s not that I don’t want to attend my local parish but I just want to experience different Masses.

Where on earth did you folks learn all of this information?! It was certainly not taught to me in CCD classes as a child.

I think that is part of my problem. There is no more education for me as a Catholic adult. It seems like you are Confirmed and bang! No more education.

Well I will put my new Catholic dictionary to work with some of the new words introduced to me this evening.

Again, thank you.
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And you can do that and others should do that too. But you should be registered in your local parish in the Ritual Church that you belong to.
 
Wouldn’t you Easterners just love to have the headaches we have after the promulagation of a new missle in your church ? lol
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Br. Rich SFO:
It would depend on the Diocesan Bishop. Canon Law does specify that a Catholic must be registered in the parish church in the parish they live in. This is in many dioceses this is dispensed by the Bishop, but not all. Borrowing from this, a Catholic should be registered and attend the Ritual Church that they belong to. I’m not saying for certain that a Roman Rite Catholic who never attends a Roman Rite church but always attends an Eastern Rite Church does anything wrong . To me it just seems “not right” to not attend the Ritual Church that you belong to for other than serious reasons, like distance.
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Your post is ambiguous. A Catholic can always worship and meet their obligation in any of the Churches in Peace and Communion with the Apostolic See at any time. Canonically, one cannot receive Holy Orders or the Sacrament (Mystery) of Matrimony in any Ritual Church other than his own, but that does not preclude regular Sunday liturgical worship. It would be wrong to canonically transfer to another ritual church without sufficient theological reasons, (e.g. becoming an Eastern Catholic, getting married or receiving Holy Orders because you don’t like the current status of the Roman Church) but it’s completely right to worship in any different ritual church.
 
Steve Green:
Wouldn’t you Easterners just love to have the headaches we have after the promulagation of a new missle in your church ? lol
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We are in the process of promulgating an new translation of the Divine Liturgy of St. John Chrysostom in the Archeparchy of Munhall.:eek:

However, we have enough headaches from all the “wannabe’s” that show up… in my parish, we are constantly getting SSPX’ers who think they’ve been put in a time machine and transported back to 1962. We always know we’re in trouble when we spot a 6yr old wearing one of those tacky lace-mantilla things on her head.:banghead:

We also get our share of disgruntled anti-NO people who insist on bringing the latest from EWTN to our church. We’ve already had to caution and then reprimand people who have tried to kneel for communion (NOT our custom… NEVER has been).:crying:

If you’re curious, please drop in and expierence our Divine Liturgy. You are more than welcome!👍

If you’re coming because you love the Eastern Rite and the Eastern Tradition, welcome!👍

If you’re coming because you’re looking for a pre-1962 Latin Mass, please keep on going, we don’t need your baggage, we got enough of our own…:yup:
 
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Patchunky:
We are in the process of promulgating an new translation of the Divine Liturgy of St. John Chrysostom in the Archeparchy of Munhall.:eek:

However, we have enough headaches from all the “wannabe’s” that show up… in my parish, we are constantly getting SSPX’ers who think they’ve been put in a time machine and transported back to 1962. We always know we’re in trouble when we spot a 6yr old wearing one of those tacky lace-mantilla things on her head.:banghead:

We also get our share of disgruntled anti-NO people who insist on bringing the latest from EWTN to our church. We’ve already had to caution and then reprimand people who have tried to kneel for communion (NOT our custom… NEVER has been).:crying:

If you’re curious, please drop in and expierence our Divine Liturgy. You are more than welcome!👍

If you’re coming because you love the Eastern Rite and the Eastern Tradition, welcome!👍

If you’re coming because you’re looking for a pre-1962 Latin Mass, please keep on going, we don’t need your baggage, we got enough of our own…:yup:
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Wow! Quite an exclusive club you have there!
Can the rest of us go to Heaven too?..just kidding!
 
QUICUMQUE VULT:
Wow! Quite an exclusive club you have there!
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Not really *exclusive, *it’s just that we’re not going to tolerate any whackos any more!😃

We get tired of SSPX’ers coming in and telling us that because we have a portrait of the Holy Father when you enter the church that we’re the Anti-Christ… or that because we don’t kneel from Easter to Pentecost, we’re Devil Worshipers…:bigyikes:

We’ve also had SSPX’ers break into Latin hymns on Palm Sunday in middle of Divine Liturgy because they didn’t like the fact that we were singing in Old Church Slavonic…:whacky:

We had to call the police on a group once when one of their members refused to leave with them because she liked our service and her husband tried to drag her from our church by her hair… did you know that to WILLFULLY DISRUPT an on-going church service is a Federal offense?:yup:

When we see someone who is not a “regular”, we ask where they’re from and if they’ve been to an Eastern church before and then take it from there as if we need to alert Father Deacon or the priest and see what they want to do…it saves time and trouble if we can nip it in the bud…:yup:
 
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