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Vester
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Why did Martin Luther drop the Mass. Without the Mass there isn’t much left of Sunday services.
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Devotedtoyou12
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There are a lot of things I wonder about Martin Luther. 
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Reformed_Rob
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Ok, fill me and perhaps some others in.
I understood Luther still had “Mass” as it were. He called it that at least, didn’t he??? I thought so, and I thought Lutherans for a long time afterward did, at least the more “true blue Lutherans.”
I’m probably wrong, or misunderstanding your question.
I understood Luther still had “Mass” as it were. He called it that at least, didn’t he??? I thought so, and I thought Lutherans for a long time afterward did, at least the more “true blue Lutherans.”
I’m probably wrong, or misunderstanding your question.
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Fashina86
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:yup:There are a lot of things I wonder about Martin Luther.
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Vester
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Ok, The question should be why don’t Lutherans have mass in this time or this era. My understanding is they do not have a mass and why don’t they. What was the reason for droping it.
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Reformed_Rob
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Vester,
I’ve got a few web articles for you. They’re not very long, and not too detailed, but will probably help. I don’t feel like I can “sum it up” for you very well, it’s new to me.
They’re in a series, by century, beginning with this webpage:
thrivent.com/heritage/music/16/worship.html
Ok, to easily go from century to century, you can I guess click on the next link, like “17th Century” at the top under the busts of the men, or you can replace the “16” with “17” or whatever century in your address bar.
Those particular articles are dealing with music and the liturgy, but there’s probably another set of articles dealing with maybe more precisely with what you’re wondering. Anyways, that will definately help, I think, I enjoyed going through it.
Whoah, do they have actual digital recordings of Martin Luther saying the words of institution and reading Scripture? That’s awesome!!!
Ok, one of the more substantial things that I gathered from reading it, was that in the 19th Century, the philosophies of the Enlightenment had a strong and far reaching effect into many Christian denominations, and in many Lutheran congregations, whatever hinted of “routine” was done away with. But then in the 20th century, many Lutherans started going through their liturgical and theological tradition, and movements surfaced to bring back the liturgical style worship.
Here’s a quote from the article on the 16th century:
The use of Latin and German in 16th-Century Lutheran worship depicts the freedom and catholicity characterizing Lutheran worship then.
Luther’s attitude toward liturgical music is reflected in his comments about the former practices. “Let the old practice continue. Let the mass be celebrated with consecrated vestments, with chants and all the usual ceremonies . . .”[LW36:254] So, in his German Mass of 1526, Luther, with the assistance of Johann Walter and Conrad Rupsch, retained the old chant melodies-revised to better suit the German language. In both the Latin and German masses, the service was chanted throughout, including the lessons and collects.
The liturgical music of the congregation consisted of singing hymns and chorales paraphrasing psalms or portions of the liturgy. The idea of through-composed liturgical music settings for congregation is a more recent development in Lutheranism. It was the chorale that was the heart of 16th Century congregation’s song.
I’ve got a few web articles for you. They’re not very long, and not too detailed, but will probably help. I don’t feel like I can “sum it up” for you very well, it’s new to me.
They’re in a series, by century, beginning with this webpage:
thrivent.com/heritage/music/16/worship.html
Ok, to easily go from century to century, you can I guess click on the next link, like “17th Century” at the top under the busts of the men, or you can replace the “16” with “17” or whatever century in your address bar.
Those particular articles are dealing with music and the liturgy, but there’s probably another set of articles dealing with maybe more precisely with what you’re wondering. Anyways, that will definately help, I think, I enjoyed going through it.
Whoah, do they have actual digital recordings of Martin Luther saying the words of institution and reading Scripture? That’s awesome!!!
Ok, one of the more substantial things that I gathered from reading it, was that in the 19th Century, the philosophies of the Enlightenment had a strong and far reaching effect into many Christian denominations, and in many Lutheran congregations, whatever hinted of “routine” was done away with. But then in the 20th century, many Lutherans started going through their liturgical and theological tradition, and movements surfaced to bring back the liturgical style worship.
Here’s a quote from the article on the 16th century:
The use of Latin and German in 16th-Century Lutheran worship depicts the freedom and catholicity characterizing Lutheran worship then.
Luther’s attitude toward liturgical music is reflected in his comments about the former practices. “Let the old practice continue. Let the mass be celebrated with consecrated vestments, with chants and all the usual ceremonies . . .”[LW36:254] So, in his German Mass of 1526, Luther, with the assistance of Johann Walter and Conrad Rupsch, retained the old chant melodies-revised to better suit the German language. In both the Latin and German masses, the service was chanted throughout, including the lessons and collects.
The liturgical music of the congregation consisted of singing hymns and chorales paraphrasing psalms or portions of the liturgy. The idea of through-composed liturgical music settings for congregation is a more recent development in Lutheranism. It was the chorale that was the heart of 16th Century congregation’s song.
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Reformed_Rob
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Again,
I almost feel like I’m scraping the bottom here, since I haven’t found anything substantial for you. Maybe the answer isn’t anticipated by the question. Maybe many Lutherans do call it Mass still. And many don’t call it Mass?
Anyways, this article, while not necessarily exactly on your topic, is short and will undoubtedly be interesting for you to read. Actually, it is on the topic, just not a direct answer to your question:
www.worship.ca/docs/ww_28.html
I almost feel like I’m scraping the bottom here, since I haven’t found anything substantial for you. Maybe the answer isn’t anticipated by the question. Maybe many Lutherans do call it Mass still. And many don’t call it Mass?
Anyways, this article, while not necessarily exactly on your topic, is short and will undoubtedly be interesting for you to read. Actually, it is on the topic, just not a direct answer to your question:
www.worship.ca/docs/ww_28.html
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