Masturbation again and again....

[Robert_Sock]

Why would a doctor prescribe an addictive antidepressant with a plethora of not so pleasant side effects for masturbation?

Furthermore, one of the arguments against using birth control pills is it adversely affects one’s ability to select the right person as their spouse. Well, guess what? Any drug that affects one sex drive and mood will do the same thing.

Can I get a reference that Paxil is addictive and has a lot of undesirable side effects? The biggest side effect for Paxil is its effect on the libido. You hardly need a strong sex drive to find the ‘right’ partner.

 

[atheistgirl]

Can I get a reference that Paxil is addictive and has a lot of undesirable side effects?

Are you being serious?

Read the Patient information that comes with the drug!!!

You’re taking medication and don’t even bother to inform yourself of the known side effects???

unusual bone pain or tenderness swelling or bruising;

easy bruising,

unusual bleeding (nose, mouth, vagina, or rectum),

coughing up blood;

agitation

hallucinations

fever

fast heart rate

overactive reflexes

nausea

vomiting

diarrhea

feeling unsteady

loss of coordination

fainting;

very stiff (rigid) muscles

high fever, sweating

confusion

fast or uneven heartbeats

tremors

overactive reflexes

feeling like you might pass out

headache

trouble concentrating

memory problems

weakness

confusion

hallucinations

seizure

shallow breathing or breathing that stops

severe skin reaction

fever

sore throat

swelling in your face or tongue

burning in your eyes

skin pain, followed by a red or purple skin rash that spreads (especially in the face or upper body) and causes blistering and peeling.

mild headache

drowsiness

dizziness

sleep problems (insomnia)

feeling restless or nervous;

mild nausea

constipation

weight changes;

decreased sex drive

impotence

difficulty having an orgasm

dry mouth

yawning

ringing in your ears.

Report any new or worsening symptoms to your doctor, such as: mood or behavior changes, anxiety, panic attacks, trouble sleeping, or if you feel impulsive, irritable, agitated, hostile, aggressive, restless, hyperactive (mentally or physically), more depressed, or have thoughts about suicide or hurting yourself.

This is not a complete list of side effects and others may occur. Call your doctor for medical advice about side effects. You may report side effects to FDA at 1-800-FDA-1088.

drugs.com/paxil.html

I don’t even know why I bothered to look that up.

You’re the one taking the drug!

Sarah x

 

[Robert_Sock]

Are you being serious?

Read the Patient information that comes with the drug!!!

You’re taking medication and don’t even bother to inform yourself of the known side effects???

drugs.com/paxil.html

I don’t even know why I bothered to look that up.

You’re the one taking the drug!

Sarah x

I’ve been taking it for years without any of those side effects except decreased libido; and it certainly is not addictive.Those side effects are possible side effects that may be rare. I’m repeating what my doctor told me. Again, it may be worth talking to a doctor.

 

[atheistgirl]

I’ve been taking it for years without any of those side effects except decreased libido; and it certainly is not addictive.Those side effects are possible side effects that may be rare. I’m repeating what my doctor told me. Again, it may be worth talking to a doctor.

The side effects of this drug are well documented and the effects of withdrawing from such a drug are the stuff of nightmares.

That you would recommend taking such a drug to combat the urge to masturbate is truly one of the most shocking things I’ve ever read on this forum.

I’m done talking to you about this.

Sarah x

 

[Robert_Sock]

That you would recommend taking such a drug to combat the urge to masturbate is truly one of the most shocking things I’ve ever read on this forum.

Sarah x

What would you suggest then? My doctor gave it to me because I wanted to rid myself of my sex drive.

 

[TheWarriorMonk]

My doctor gave it to me because I wanted to rid myself of my sex drive.

Now wait a second…you’ve already stated:

I’m on Pxail for depression and it virtually eliminates the libido.

???

 

[Robert_Sock]

Now wait a second…you’ve already stated:

???

Both are correct. He had me on Lexapro, but switched to Paxil when I told him I wanted to reduce my libido. Paxil, like most anti-depressants, has little effect on depression.

 

[dshix]

What would you suggest then? My doctor gave it to me because I wanted to rid myself of my sex drive.

I think… you need a new doctor.

 

[TheWarriorMonk]

I’ve been taking it for years without any of those side effects except decreased libido; and it certainly is not addictive.

There’s irony in your statement. It’s not addictive but yet you’ve been taking it for three years.

Those side effects are possible side effects that may be rare. I’m repeating what my doctor told me. Again, it may be worth talking to a doctor.

One of those side effects is decreased libido, which eventually will take it’s toll on the body, just as, say, birth control pill will. It is a bad idea to prescribe drugs for their adverse side effects, and most doctors won’t.

Furthermore, I have never seen anything by the Church that would indicate chemical methods to reduce libido is acceptable. If anybody is serious about doing this, I strongly recommend speaking to a priest first (for the theological implications), then speak to a Catholic doctor.

 

[billcu1]

I take Paxil fro depression and I find the it eliminates sexual desire. Perhaps talk to your doctor.

I do to. It helps me alot with the masturbation habit. If Augustine could be save I know I can. I don’t know what his problems were but they were sexual sins.

 

[billcu1]

The side effects of this drug are well documented and the effects of withdrawing from such a drug are the stuff of nightmares.

That you would recommend taking such a drug to combat the urge to masturbate is truly one of the most shocking things I’ve ever read on this forum.

I’m done talking to you about this.

Sarah x

Paxil my Dr. told me has the highest “kick back” than all SSRIs. I take it for anxiety and depression and it certainly helps. Don’t try to back off of it more than 10 mg a week at the most. That’s what my psychiatrist told me. I can’t stand it when I back off 10 mg to 70mg and I take 80mg. An off label dose but it’s safe. It works on the ejaculator nerve. And it wasn’t the drug it was the panic attacks and anxiety that was too much.

 

[fredplont]

It happened again. It started out as a torturous headache filled with foul, lustful thoughts. Every vein in my body was pumping a mile a minute. Satan had me in his grasp. I became weak and broken. I gave in to mortal sin again. I have done this so many times.

Masturbation is my achilles heel. Every time I try to stop it just hits back harder leaving me in a spiral of depression, knowing that I have hurt my Lord. I started to withhold from masturbation for probably 3 months now. The longest I can go without is 3 weeks. I have prayed every day to our Lady and our Father over and over to free me of my sexual temptations, yet I fall.

you might find it interesting to discover that masterbation was NOT a sin in the old covenant with YAWAH and following the TORAH–

it only because a sin after the Roman Catholic church was taken over by constantine the great in 315ad or there abouts–The Roman Catholic Church was founded by the Roman Emperor, Constantine, in 313 A.D.???

he stopped the following of Jewish ceremonies and established a new set of laws and sins

 

[dshix]

What would you suggest then? My doctor gave it to me because I wanted to rid myself of my sex drive.

Taking a drug for the purpose of decreasing masturbation has no merit. We are called to stand up as men and cast off our chains of sin, not to drug ourselves into virtue. That is not true virtue.

 

[Classicist]

Dear RoyalamI,

I fall to that sin of impurity very often. Whenever I have been less-tempted, or fell less severely, I was always sure to observe the circumstances in which I was less prone to commit the sin. Here are some observations:

The times of committing almost no masturbation for weeks, were always times of fasting, exercise, and intense prayer. These periods always accompanied calm seas in my sexual imagination. Whenever I ate more, gave up exercising, or was less fervent in praying, the urge to masturbate increased tenfold. This is very interesting.

One way I personally avoid it is to think of my beloved Good Shepherd. Every time we fall we are like little sheep that bleat and distractedly wander off. He has to leave the flock every single time, and go looking for us. I don’t want to cause so much trouble for the beloved Lord, and it is when I think on this that I do not masturbate, or commit sin in general.

Find your favourite devotion, and remember that the Lord Himself is the Bread, the Light, the Way, the Truth, the Life, the Door, the Good Shepherd, the True Vine, and the I AM. He is there to hear you and protect you when That Feeling comes in the imagination.

 

[Robert_Sock]

CHAPTER 13 – On Resisting Temptations [The Imitation of Christ]

So long as we live in this world, we cannot remain without trial and temptation: as Job says, “Man’s life on earth is a warfare.” We must therefore be on guard against temptations, and watchful in prayer, that the Devil find no means of deceiving us; for he never rests, but prowls around seeking whom he may devour. No one is so perfect and holy that he is never tempted, and we can never be secure from temptation.

Although temptations are so troublesome and grievous, yet they are often profitable to us, for by them we are humbled, cleansed, and instructed. All the Saints endured many trials and temptations, and profited by them; but those who could not resist temptations became reprobate, and fell away. There is no Order so holy, nor place so secluded, where there are no troubles and temptations.

No man can be entirely free from temptation so long as he lives; for the source of temptation lies within our own nature, since we are born with an inclination towards evil. When one temptation or trial draws to a close, another takes its place; and we shall always have something to fight, for man has lost the blessing of original happiness. Many try to escape temptations, only to encounter them more fiercely, for no one can win victory by flight alone; it is only by patience and true humility that we can grow stronger than all our foes.

The man who only avoids the outward occasions of evil, but fails to uproot it in himself, will gain little advantage. Indeed, temptations will return upon him the sooner, and he will find himself in a worse state than before. Little by little and by patient endurance you will overcome them by God’s help, better than by your own violence and importunity. Seek regular advice in temptation, and never deal harshly with those who are tempted, but give them such encouragement as you would value yourself.

The beginning of all evil temptation is an unstable mind and lack of trust in God. Just as a ship without a helm is driven to and fro by the waves, so a careless man, who abandons his proper course, is tempted in countless ways. Fire tempers steel, and temptation the just man. We often do not know what we can bear, but temptation reveals our true nature. We need especially to be on our guard at the very onset of temptation, for then the Enemy may be more easily overcome, if he is not allowed to enter the gates of the mind: he must be repulsed at the threshold, as soon as he knocks. Thus the poet Ovid writes, “Resist at the beginning; the remedy may come too late.” For first there comes into the mind an evil thought: next, a vivid picture: then delight, and urge to evil, and finally consent. In this way the Enemy gradually gains complete mastery, when he is not resisted at first. And the longer a slothful man delays resistance, the weaker he becomes, and the stronger his enemy grows against him.

Some people undergo their heaviest temptations at the beginning of their conversion; some towards the end of their course; others are greatly troubled all their lives; while there are some whose temptations are but light. This is in accordance with the wisdom and justice of God’s ordinance, who weighs the condition and merits of every man, and disposes all things for the salvation of those whom He chooses.

We must not despair, therefore, when we are tempted, but earnestly pray God to grant us his help in every need. For, as Saint Paul says, “With the temptation, God will provide a way to overcome it, that we may be able to bear bear it.” So, let us humble ourselves under the hand of God, in every trial and trouble, for He will save and raise up the humble in Spirit. In all these trials, our progress is tested; in them great merit may be secured, and our virtue become evident. It is no great matter if we are devout and fervent when we have no troubles; but if we show patience in adversity, we can make great progress in virtue. Some are spared severe temptations, but are overcome in the lesser ones of every day, in order that they may be humble, and learn not to trust in themselves, but to recognize their frailty.

 

[SnakeMauler]

Here’s an idea, everytime you masturbate, make note of it, and donate one hour of community service to every time you masturbate. Do it to help the poor and prove to yourself that you are committed to a life of purity but also to service to God.

 

[Pedro_1987]

you might find it interesting to discover that masterbation was NOT a sin in the old covenant with YAWAH and following the TORAH–

it only because a sin after the Roman Catholic church was taken over by constantine the great in 315ad or there abouts–The Roman Catholic Church was founded by the Roman Emperor, Constantine, in 313 A.D.???

he stopped the following of Jewish ceremonies and established a new set of laws and sins

So, the Catholic Church has some sort of conspiracy against masturbation, something that doesn’t directly affect anybody but the one who does it? And what would be their motive?

BTW, masturbation as a sin is Biblical. In the Sermon On The Mount, Jesus says that he who lusts is sinful, and that if your eye and hand causes you to sin, to discard them. The eye fits with standard issue lust and “checking people out”. Now, what kind of sin is commited using a hand while lusting?

 

[dshix]

you might find it interesting to discover that masterbation was NOT a sin in the old covenant with YAWAH and following the TORAH–

it only because a sin after the Roman Catholic church was taken over by constantine the great in 315ad or there abouts–The Roman Catholic Church was founded by the Roman Emperor, Constantine, in 313 A.D.???

he stopped the following of Jewish ceremonies and established a new set of laws and sins

Source?

Even if you prove this statement, it is a red herring.

 

[shaky]

So, the Catholic Church has some sort of conspiracy against masturbation, something that doesn’t directly affect anybody but the one who does it? And what would be their motive?

BTW, masturbation as a sin is Biblical. In the Sermon On The Mount, Jesus says that he who lusts is sinful, and that if your eye and hand causes you to sin, to discard them. The eye fits with standard issue lust and “checking people out”. Now, what kind of sin is commited using a hand while lusting?

I did not have a religious upbringing and started to masturbate when i was 14. I did not feel any guilt that i did wrong. I would feel guilt if i murdered someone or slept with some ones wife.
Later in life being around protestants i found some said it was a sin and other said it was not. Even a Christian Psychologist said it was not a sin with controlled fantasy.
From the Talmud and some Jewish sources they say it is a Sin for a man to masturbate but not for a woman. because a woman does not produce seed. Because a man produces seed that is wasted he has murdered a person and produces demons.
When i was a taxi driver before i started work i did masturbate a bit more often. The reason for this was to keep my sex drive satisfied and had no problem keeping women at bay when they many times tried to come on to me for sex. This helped me to avoid sins i was convinced is sin to fornicate. Adultery or Prostitutes because i was in no sexual mood.
As i understood Jesus. I also did avoid looking at women lustfully with the thought and intent to have sex with them. To me it seemed wrong to masturbate thoughts over women i knew, especially a married woman because when i did this i was proper convicted it was wrong. King David looked with ‘‘intent’’ and it led to the actual act of Adultery.
I was not sure if Jesus did also mean a single women because how could that be adultery ?
I did read else where about out of the heart comes evil thoughts and fornication was one of them. I Took that to mean with Intent thoughts to have actual sex with single woman.

But when i just made up some controlled fantasy about sex in general there was no guilt or conviction i was doing anything wrong. I understood Lust to be Inordinate strong excessive sexual desire> To masturbate to much often. Or a married couple having to much sex. Lust for food to much etc etc. But it is OK to satisfy the normal sexual drive for sex or normal appetite for food etc.
If i was starved of food and food was in front of me i would eat. While i was a taxi-driver if i starved of sex. I could of ended up having sex with women.
Now i am coming into the catholic faith it has come to my attention that masturbation is a SIN…I thought all the times i have masturbated and sinned. I might as well have gone off and slept with women and sinned.
I thought i will try and stop masturbation altogether. Sex is not on my brain and i don’t think about sex. The most i have lasted is six weeks. I told somebody and they said i got a addiction. I thought addiction. That is a daily thing. That is not my problem. My problem is ‘‘Conviction’’ that masturbation is wrong. Now that i am trying to stop. I get little depressed when i fail at times by its overpowering affect of attacking my mind episodically But no inner guilt. It is others that try to make me feel guilty by saying it is wrong. I have been praying for inner Conviction in this area. I only sort of 1/2 believe it could be wrong because others say it is wrong. For the first time in my life I keep having dreams of actually having sex with women and having nocturnal emissions.
Sometimes i wake up before that right on the edge of orgasm. first i gave in to it out of annoyance. Now i am starting to ignore it.
If God does not want me to see images nudity or think about sex and actually having sex. Why is it being forced unto me in dreams ?

 

[dshix]

I did not have a religious upbringing and started to masturbate when i was 14. I did not feel any guilt that i did wrong. I would feel guilt if i murdered someone or slept with some ones wife.
Later in life being around protestants i found some said it was a sin and other said it was not. Even a Christian Psychologist said it was not a sin with controlled fantasy.
From the Talmud and some Jewish sources they say it is a Sin for a man to masturbate but not for a woman. because a woman does not produce seed. Because a man produces seed that is wasted he has murdered a person and produces demons.
When i was a taxi driver before i started work i did masturbate a bit more often. The reason for this was to keep my sex drive satisfied and had no problem keeping women at bay when they many times tried to come on to me for sex. This helped me to avoid sins i was convinced is sin to fornicate. Adultery or Prostitutes because i was in no sexual mood.
As i understood Jesus. I also did avoid looking at women lustfully with the thought and intent to have sex with them. To me it seemed wrong to masturbate thoughts over women i knew, especially a married woman because when i did this i was proper convicted it was wrong. King David looked with ‘‘intent’’ and it led to the actual act of Adultery.
I was not sure if Jesus did also mean a single women because how could that be adultery ?
I did read else where about out of the heart comes evil thoughts and fornication was one of them. I Took that to mean with Intent thoughts to have actual sex with single woman.

But when i just made up some controlled fantasy about sex in general there was no guilt or conviction i was doing anything wrong. I understood Lust to be Inordinate strong excessive sexual desire> To masturbate to much often. Or a married couple having to much sex. Lust for food to much etc etc. But it is OK to satisfy the normal sexual drive for sex or normal appetite for food etc.
If i was starved of food and food was in front of me i would eat. While i was a taxi-driver if i starved of sex. I could of ended up having sex with women.
Now i am coming into the catholic faith it has come to my attention that masturbation is a SIN…I thought all the times i have masturbated and sinned. I might as well have gone off and slept with women and sinned.
I thought i will try and stop masturbation altogether. Sex is not on my brain and i don’t think about sex. The most i have lasted is six weeks. I told somebody and they said i got a addiction. I thought addiction. That is a daily thing. That is not my problem. My problem is ‘‘Conviction’’ that masturbation is wrong. Now that i am trying to stop. I get little depressed when i fail at times by its overpowering affect of attacking my mind episodically But no inner guilt. It is others that try to make me feel guilty by saying it is wrong. I have been praying for inner Conviction in this area. I only sort of 1/2 believe it could be wrong because others say it is wrong. For the first time in my life I keep having dreams of actually having sex with women and having nocturnal emissions.
Sometimes i wake up before that right on the edge of orgasm. first i gave in to it out of annoyance. Now i am starting to ignore it.
If God does not want me to see images nudity or think about sex and actually having sex. Why is it being forced unto me in dreams ?

I’m very glad for you that you are waging the war on your masturbation addiction. Keep up the good fight, and I’m sure that by the grace of God you will be relieved of it.

Concerning the last thing you mentioned, about waking up on the edge of orgasm; this is perfectly normal.

Since you began masturbating so early, you may have never learned about “wet dreams.” These are dreams which have the purpose of expelling old semen so that more can be secreted. For a man with a low sex drive and/or who does not have sex or masturbate often, these wet dreams may only come about once a month, or even longer, but in the case of a person like you, they can come nightly.

These dreams are often lucid, with images of nudity or sex quite often, and while you are asleep, you ejaculate. This is NOT a sin; it is a natural bodily function.

If you wake up in the dream, the ejaculation is still not a sin; it was unintentional.

(Sorry for a bit of a graphic description, but I had to explain it.)

I hope this helps.