Masturbation means virginity lost?

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In St. Thomas Aquinas’ Summa Theologica, he states that when one masturbates he loses his virginity.

Is he wrong?
 
Do you know of anyone who hasn’t masturbated at least once in their life?
 
Matthias123 said:
Do you know of anyone who hasn’t masturbated at least once in their life?
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…I assume “Jesus”, “Mary”, and “very young children” is considered cheating? 😛

Even so, you might be surprised. I wouldn’t assume that there aren’t some very holy people out there who honestly never have. In fact, I think you might find a few around this forum.
Slayer said:
In St. Thomas Aquinas’ Summa Theologica, he states that when one masturbates he loses his virginity.

Is he wrong?
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I guess it depends on what you define “virginity” as. So at least in one sense (the way he’s using it – might be different from the common modern usage), he probably is correct. It just depends on what he understands “virginity” to mean, and whether or not his arguments based on that are good ones… although he has an excellent track record in that regard, so I would tend to assume he’s right about what he says.
 
Remember St. Thomas Aquinas is not infallible.

btw I am a fan of his.
 
I think that you need to have knowledge of what you are doing.
I have ultrasound video of my son masturbating in-utero. I can’t imagine that it would be considered a loss of virginity.
 
MomblessedX3 said:
I think that you need to have knowledge of what you are doing.
I have ultrasound video of my son masturbating in-utero. I can’t imagine that it would be considered a loss of virginity.
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I’m sure that he would be quite happy if you forgot all about that…😃
 
teachccd said:
I’m sure that he would be quite happy if you forgot all about that…😃
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No kidding…Talk about invasion of privacy!!! 😃

The Dr. said, “oh, he really is a healthy baby, but we probably shouldn’t be watching that!”

The sad part was that I wasn’t really sure I wanted to know what gender the baby was. HE prevented me from not knowing. He has always been a little turkey! 😉
 
It depends which definition you choose to follow. Going by answers.com virginity is defined as either 1) The quality or condition of being a virgin or 2) The state of being pure, unsullied, or untouched. Later its clarified as “Virginity denotes the state of a person who has not taken part in sexual intercourse”, so if we take the first definition and the clarification together we can say that a person remains a virgin until they have taken part in sexual intercourse. However if we take the latter then we can say St Thomas was right, so long as we consider masturbation to disturb that state of being “pure, unsullied, or untouched”. Although other factors may come into it e.g. if you started as a very young child prior to understanding the sexual side to it, or even in certain cases if culpability were mitigated. I suppose its a bit like the when does a child stop being a child question, legally it might be 18 but you can also argue for it being earlier or indeed later.
 
myself i would agree with St. Thomas…even before i woke up to who i am(an adopted son of God) and met my now wife i considered myself a virgin only in the technical sense…ie not having had intercourse with someone…but not a true virgin…
 
Matariel said:
Asexuals…? I was thinking yesterday, what a blessing it must be for them, to not have problems in that area of life…
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Yeah but God created sex. Sex is good. You may not have problems in that area but you won’t be able to have sex. Therefore you cannot receive the sacrament of matrimony. ( You need to be able to consummate the marriage. )

Also all your children will be identical to you. That sucks! 👍
 
Matthias123 said:
Yeah but God created sex. Sex is good. You may not have problems in that area but you won’t be able to have sex. Therefore you cannot receive the sacrament of matrimony. ( You need to be able to consummate the marriage. )

Also all your children will be identical to you. That sucks! 👍
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Identical? I didn’t know… 🤷
 
I’m not a virgin but yet i have never masterbated. I am a woman though and i think while plenty of women do masterbate plenty of women do not. I have just never wanted to and the idea of it grosses me out. No problem with the thought of sex with a man though and that is definately an area of temptation. Guess we are all just different in these areas.
 
Is masturbation means your virginity is lost there practically wouldn;t be a such thing as virginity. 😉
 
The two problems that ‘asexual’ people have are:
  1. They may not understand the difficulties and intensity of sexual desire in others. That can cause a problem if they are involved in spiritual direction of others. It can also cause a problem if they are married to someone who is not asexual. And that happens!
  2. They are sometimes thought to be ‘weird’, unhealthy or sick in someway by others in society. That’s not a ‘real’ problem’ - if you fit right into secular, worldy society it suggests that there may be something wrong with your Catholic faith. But it can be still be difficult to deal with social rejection.
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snhs said:
…2) The state of being pure, unsullied, or untouched. …
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Normally I would associate this with being unsullied by another person. It is common in many cultures for people to want their perspective spouse to be unsullied by another person. In this context, I don’t think most people would consider a perspective spouse to be tainted if they have never had realtions with another person even if they had “relations” not involving another person.
 
“Pure, unsullied, or untouched” refers in the dictionary’s case to using the word “virgin” for objects. Virgin forest. Virgin olive oil.

Please don’t overthink this.
 
When Church Fathers (Latin and Greek) praise virginity do they praise just the state of having never had a shag? They say ‘holy virginity’. What makes it holy? Because it is dedicated to God. Therefore e.g. Vestal virginity is not holy. Difference between virginity consecrated and not.

As for Aquinas, his statement in no way declares all fetuses, infants and brats who touch themselves non-virgins. It is necessary that the spanker realises that the pleasure is 100% venereal if the spanker is to break his virginity. Much like a venial sin becoming mortal when in full knowledge.

Further, he-he, what an insignificant thing virginity would be were it to be lost unknowingly by little kids exploring their properties! Full knowledge of the end of the act is necessary.

The topic is subtle. What about rape? By stating that rape doesn’t break virginity one either gets virgin births or a myth that rape can’t result in pregnancy. Well, now virgin births are possible through artificial methods, but a rape-means-no-baby myth ruins cases of many women in Islamic countries who got raped and pregnant and can not bring the raper to justice while facing charges of promiscuity or something.
 
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