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JacktheCatholic
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Nope.**
Masturbation is wrong(period).
You can be praying the Roseary while masturbating and it is still SINFUL.
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Masturbation is wrong(period).
You can be praying the Roseary while masturbating and it is still SINFUL.
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Nollaig
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As an adult I have a problem with defining masturbation as a sinful act !. To put guilt on an individual for this is an error. We are able to perform this act at a very young age. Our creator did not design our bodies for to be a challenge. When it comes the time to get married our bodies and character should not have restrictions to love.
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JacktheCatholic
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IF you are Catholic then masturbation is a grave offense and as such a Sin. With full knowledge (as any here have) then it is a Mortal Sin. Period. Don’t like it? Too bad.
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Sonny1954
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A group therapy session in Hell. Satan turns to the first fellow and says, “And why are you here, Mr. Capone?”
Capone: I fed the vices of thousands of people and was personally repsonsible for hundreds of murders and tens of thousands ruined lives."
Satan: Rather impressive work You belong among us. (Satan turns to the next person) Now, why are you here Mr. Stalin?
Stalin: I denied the very existence of God. I tortured and murdered millions of my fellow countrymen and others out of anger and vengeance. So many, in fact, that historians haven’t even totalled the exact number.
Satan: Ooooh! You’re my kind of human alright. Now to our newest member, Mr. Jones. What did you do to land in you this group?
Mr. Jones: (sheepishly, sinking low in his chair) I played with myself once in a while…
Capone: I fed the vices of thousands of people and was personally repsonsible for hundreds of murders and tens of thousands ruined lives."
Satan: Rather impressive work You belong among us. (Satan turns to the next person) Now, why are you here Mr. Stalin?
Stalin: I denied the very existence of God. I tortured and murdered millions of my fellow countrymen and others out of anger and vengeance. So many, in fact, that historians haven’t even totalled the exact number.
Satan: Ooooh! You’re my kind of human alright. Now to our newest member, Mr. Jones. What did you do to land in you this group?
Mr. Jones: (sheepishly, sinking low in his chair) I played with myself once in a while…
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kage_ar
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Hell is a place of eternal punishment and eternal suffering, the greatest of which is separation from God.
Hell is not a business that has meetings and group therapy where Satan is in charge.
Hell was created as the place to punish Satan and the fallen angels, some humans will choose to reject God and go to hell to be eternally separated by God.
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JacktheCatholic
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Prove it!
You can’t.
But there is plenty of proof every day that sex is not needed at all except to perpetuate mankind.
Just in case someone does not know this… Jesus never had sex and neither did Mary his mother. I guess if someone were to truly try to emulate Jesus to their best ability that “no sex” would be one of the qualifiers.
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Sonny1954
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Just a little harmless humor. Besides, even souls separated from God must do SOMETHING to pass the timeless.
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Nyarlathotep
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Yuck.
Actually, I think that might add a whole 'nother layer of stuff to confess if you ask me…
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kage_ar
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Eternal damnation is not a topic for jokes, unless you want to help people take sin lightly.
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Nyarlathotep
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Hey, for every tedious “X goes before St. Peter at the Gates of Heaven…” joke, can’t we throw in a decent Hell joke every once in awhile? And you can’t tell me Dante didn’t have a sense of humor about hell:
"Per l’argine sinistro volta dienno; 136 Off they set along the left-hand bank,
ma prima avea ciascun la lingua stretta coi denti,137 but first each pressed his tongue between his teeth
verso lor duca, per cenno; 138 to blow a signal to their leader,
ed elli avea del cul fatto trombetta. 139 and he had made a trumpet of his ***."
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system
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Like you’ve never done it. In fact, it sounds like you’re about due for a good one. Ease some of that hateful tension you so righteously display.
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Big_Willis
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It’s not having sex that’s bad, it is a gift from God, it’s misusing it that’s the problem.
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be_catholic
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we should have been born with short arms. Lol.
now on the serious side, in all circumstances is it always evil and sinful or can it be one or the other? and what is a worse act, one that is evil but not sinful or one that is sinful but not evil?
now on the serious side, in all circumstances is it always evil and sinful or can it be one or the other? and what is a worse act, one that is evil but not sinful or one that is sinful but not evil?
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JacktheCatholic
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Evil is sin and sin is evil. You cannot seperate darkness from darkness because they both our without light.
Much to learn padawon.
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Sonny1954
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Masturbation just is NOT that big of a deal (at least for the typically-sized fellow.) :whacky:
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stringbeanduck
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Don’t follow the masses of people. It is a big deal if you want Salvation. I respect the gifts God gave and plan to save them for marriage. However (gulp) long ways away that might be.
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centurionguard
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The catechism of the Catholic Church list six specific sins against chastity, in order of increasing seriousness: (a) Lust, (b) Masturbation, (c) Fornication, (d) Pornography, (e) Prostitution, (f) Rape.
(A) “Lust is disordered desire for sexual pleasure. Sexual pleasure is morally disordered when sought for itself, isolated from procreative and unitive purposes” (CCC 2351)
Lust does not mean sexual pleasure as such, nor delight in it, nor the desire for it in its right context. Contrary to what the world thinks, the Church teaches that sexual pleasure is good, not evil. For God invented sex and its pleasure. ("The Creator God himself established that in the (“generative”) function, married spouses should experience pleasure and enjoyment of body and “spirit” (CCC 2362)
It is natural and right that great pleasure should accompany great things, and the human sexual act is a great thing because of its two great essential ends: (1) uniting man and woman in “one flesh” body and soul, in mutual self-giving; and (2) procreating new persons who bear Gods own image that will last forever. Its the closest man and woman comes to sharing Gods own power of creation.
The essence of sex itself, like any intelligently designed thing, is its end.
Lust, like any sin “must” be seen against the background of human sexual expression. Lust divorces the two things God designed to be together; it seeks the pleasure (“apart”) from the purpose.
No spontaneous thoughts and feelings can be sins until they are willed or consented to by the will. Thoughts and feelings of sexual arousal are not lust. Lust is willing the thoughts and feelings just for the soul purpose of selfish pleasure, without the purposes of the marriage union between husband and wife in their unselfish giving to one another for the purpose of procreation.
(B) By (“Masturbation”) it is to be understood as the deliberate stimulation of the genital organs in order to derive sexual pleasure for selfish purposes. Both the Magisterium of the Catholic Church, in the course of a constant tradition, and the moral sense of the faithful have been in no doubt and have firmly maintained that masturbation is an intrinsically and gravely disordered action. The deliberate us of the sexual faculty for whatever reason, outside of marriage is essentially contrary to its purpose (CCC 2352).
(“Masturbation”) is wrong for the same reason (“Lust”) is wrong, with the physical act now added to the mental act; "For here sexual pleasure is sought outside of the sexual relationship in the marriage union between a loving husband and wife…in which mutual self-giving and human procreation is achieved. (CCC 2352).
However; to form an equitable judgment about the subjects of moral responsibility one must take into account the affective (“Emotional”) immaturity, and force of acquired habit, the conditions of anxiety, or other psychological or social factors (CCC 2352).
Masturbation like Lust, is very common and in a sense “natural”. But; that no more makes it right, or innocent, than selfishness is made innocent by the fact that it is a common behavior among humans. The natural law is not derived from observing how people do in fact usually behave, but from how their human nature is to be fulfilled and respected.
(A) “Lust is disordered desire for sexual pleasure. Sexual pleasure is morally disordered when sought for itself, isolated from procreative and unitive purposes” (CCC 2351)
Lust does not mean sexual pleasure as such, nor delight in it, nor the desire for it in its right context. Contrary to what the world thinks, the Church teaches that sexual pleasure is good, not evil. For God invented sex and its pleasure. ("The Creator God himself established that in the (“generative”) function, married spouses should experience pleasure and enjoyment of body and “spirit” (CCC 2362)
It is natural and right that great pleasure should accompany great things, and the human sexual act is a great thing because of its two great essential ends: (1) uniting man and woman in “one flesh” body and soul, in mutual self-giving; and (2) procreating new persons who bear Gods own image that will last forever. Its the closest man and woman comes to sharing Gods own power of creation.
The essence of sex itself, like any intelligently designed thing, is its end.
Lust, like any sin “must” be seen against the background of human sexual expression. Lust divorces the two things God designed to be together; it seeks the pleasure (“apart”) from the purpose.
No spontaneous thoughts and feelings can be sins until they are willed or consented to by the will. Thoughts and feelings of sexual arousal are not lust. Lust is willing the thoughts and feelings just for the soul purpose of selfish pleasure, without the purposes of the marriage union between husband and wife in their unselfish giving to one another for the purpose of procreation.
(B) By (“Masturbation”) it is to be understood as the deliberate stimulation of the genital organs in order to derive sexual pleasure for selfish purposes. Both the Magisterium of the Catholic Church, in the course of a constant tradition, and the moral sense of the faithful have been in no doubt and have firmly maintained that masturbation is an intrinsically and gravely disordered action. The deliberate us of the sexual faculty for whatever reason, outside of marriage is essentially contrary to its purpose (CCC 2352).
(“Masturbation”) is wrong for the same reason (“Lust”) is wrong, with the physical act now added to the mental act; "For here sexual pleasure is sought outside of the sexual relationship in the marriage union between a loving husband and wife…in which mutual self-giving and human procreation is achieved. (CCC 2352).
However; to form an equitable judgment about the subjects of moral responsibility one must take into account the affective (“Emotional”) immaturity, and force of acquired habit, the conditions of anxiety, or other psychological or social factors (CCC 2352).
Masturbation like Lust, is very common and in a sense “natural”. But; that no more makes it right, or innocent, than selfishness is made innocent by the fact that it is a common behavior among humans. The natural law is not derived from observing how people do in fact usually behave, but from how their human nature is to be fulfilled and respected.
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TLM08
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The atrocious sexual misconduct of the church over the centuries has taken away her credibility to speak in these matters. Scripture is silent regarding the act itself but if we want to remain obedient to Christ, we are not to be lusting after women.
It would seem to me that masturbation and lust are almost always seen together. My opinion is that it is not appropriate behavior for a christian because it is a selfish act and it is a misuse of our sexual capacity and therefore sinful.
The death of Christ on the cross removed all of our sins and the penalty of them… past present and future. He was our sin bearer and suffered horribly because of our sins. The Bible says: If you believe that Jesus is the Christ, the Son of the living God and accept his sacrifice as full payment for your sins, you are already forgiven… forever!
This frees us up to obey him out of pure love for what he has done for us and not fear of condemnation.
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TLM08
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Need? Maybe… But some (probably only a few) are able to do without and manage to live perfectly content lives. It’s probably like having perfectly healthy legs and never using them. Can it be done? Yes! But sex was designed by God specifically for marriage.
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teachccd
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Really?? So because I fall into a certain sin as a Christian I lose all credibility to speak against that sin? Wow. Then who can speak??
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