Masturbation vs. other pleasures

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I understand that masturbation (or “pleasuring oneself”) is a mortal sin, and I have no argument with that. What I’m not sure about is exactly WHY it’s a mortal sin.

Those of us who are not aescetic monks tend to seek a lot of pleasure in this life. For example, I love ice cream sandwiches, so I satisfy myself by eating them occassionally. How is this different than occassionally satisfying myself by masturbation?

I’d ask my priest, but I don’t want to make him uncomfortable.

Sorry for such a weird question…
 
Masturbation constitutes a misuse of the gift of human sexuality, which is to be cherished. The gift of human sexuality as God intended it to be used finds its ultimate realization in the holy act of conjugal love between a man and woman who are married to each other. It is in this unrestrained giving of one’s self that one can come to understand the meaning of sex and the love of a man or woman for his or her spouse as Christ loves His bride, the Church.

Masturbation, being a selfish act whereby there can be no love is an adulteration of what is meant for our human sexuality. It is in the most literal sense an abuse of ourselves and an abuse of God’s gifts to us.

All of the Church’s teaching regarding human sexuality turn us back to the perfect act of conjugal love, which in turn, turns us back to the love of Jesus for His bride. Therefore, if one hopes to understand the Church’s moral teaching regarding masturbation, it would help to understand the Church’s moral teaching regarding sexuality in its whole and as expressed between a man and a woman.

You might find these resources helpful:

Deus Caritas Est
Pope John Paul II’s Theology of the Body

Also:

Catholic Answers: Chastity Question by Jason Evert

I hope that helps answer your question.

God bless.
 
I’d ask my priest, but I don’t want to make him uncomfortable.
I encourage you to go to your priest with any questions you may have. His job is to get you to heaven; you only make things more difficult for him if you don’t come forward when you need help.

In addition, we weren’t placed on this earth to satiate our every urge, and indulge in every pleasure. We were put here to glorify God.
 
I’d ask my priest, but I don’t want to make him uncomfortable.
Never be afraid to approach a priest because you think you might make him uncomfortable. Priests are men who have embraced a special calling to sacrifice their lives for the spiritual welfare of others. Being men themselves who have dedicated themselves to the virtue of chastity, they know well the struggles of our fallen nature. Who better to ask for help their your confessor?
I used to be afraid to approach my priest, especially with things I thought embaracing due to an irrational fear. Once I got over that, I have found my priest to be an especially big help in overcome my own struggles. The key is, let it all out and hold nothing back due to pride. It is an excellent source of humility, especially recommended (although not necessary) is face to face confession without hiding behind the screen.
 
I understand that masturbation (or “pleasuring oneself”) is a mortal sin, and I have no argument with that. What I’m not sure about is exactly WHY it’s a mortal sin.

Those of us who are not aescetic monks tend to seek a lot of pleasure in this life. For example, I love ice cream sandwiches, so I satisfy myself by eating them occassionally. How is this different than occassionally satisfying myself by masturbation?

I’d ask my priest, but I don’t want to make him uncomfortable.

Sorry for such a weird question…
One very likely reason is that the ancient (mis)understanding of human biology taught that the male seed contained the entire child and the woman was purely an “incubator”, contributing nothing to the actual child. Thus “wasting one’s seed” was literally destroying a complete human life.

The residue of this error in biology from thousands of years ago is that some continue to condemn something harmless, normal, totally natural, and probably beneficial because it is easier to do that than admit that our understanding of the “truth” can change.
 
I understand that masturbation (or “pleasuring oneself”) is a mortal sin, and I have no argument with that. What I’m not sure about is exactly WHY it’s a mortal sin.

Those of us who are not aescetic monks tend to seek a lot of pleasure in this life. For example, I love ice cream sandwiches, so I satisfy myself by eating them occassionally. How is this different than occassionally satisfying myself by masturbation?

I’d ask my priest, but I don’t want to make him uncomfortable.

Sorry for such a weird question…
For starters an easier argument. Ice-cream is a pleasure you are entitled to, sexual arousal and release (ejaculation) is not. When you eat too much ice-cream or if you crave it so much it prevents you from being a functional person (and a good Christian), that’s excess. When you reach for premarital sex or masturbation, you reach for something you are not entitled to take at all - not just in excess. Because of this, the two situations are not comparable.

A situation in which people who are married to each other have too much sex could possibly be compared to the excess of eating which is overeating, but ice-cream is just food. You cannot reduce it much. It’s already an item, so you cannot reduce it to one. By contrast, a different human being is a person and when we reduce him or her to an item, a very bad thing happens. We deny the dignity of that person as a child of God. We do the same to ourselves when we masturbate. We use our bodies, but in a way also more than just bodies in the strictest sense, to attain some pleasure to which we are not entitled. We also close ourselves to productive, fruitful love with a different person, love which is compatible with human dignity and love in which no one is an object.

This cannot probably be said without a broader reference to love and to keep it as short as possible, the love to which we are called is the love in which neither of us serves as a tool for each other, but in which we have the same goal as our spouse, we respect each other’s right to have a goal, and we are recognised as goals in our own right, too. The sexual pleasure is just a tiny bit of it and what we really seek is love. Sexual pleasure has a place in love of the kind that is married, but it should be seen as pleasure coming from love - and from acting on love and in love, within the context of love (marital love). It is sexual pleasure which is subjected to love, not the other way round, i.e. love is above sexual pleasure, not below it. We use sex to cement and express love, we don’t use love to gain sex. Now sexual pleasure is even more compartmentalised than sex - sex is intercourse, sexual pleasure is a sensation. If we make a sensation so important to us that few things matter more, then something is wrong.

But don’t be afraid to talk to a priest. He can always recommend you a book or ask you to talk to a different priest if the other one is better prepared to handle a particular subject.
 
On the priest thing, I’ve heard at least one say that there was literally nothing you could confess that he hadn’t heard before, especially some of the older priests.
 
I like to keep it simple. Sex outside the covenant of marriage is offensive to God. In what permutation that sex happens is largely irrelevant…so whether you do it with someone else or all by your lonesome, you’re still using His gift in an offensive manner.

I’m married. If I pleasure myself…if I give the gift that’s supposed to be reserved for my wife to myself…I’ve cheated on my wife. It really is no more complex than that, IMHO.
 
If I understand you correctly you are addressing the pleasurable part of the sin and how it relates to things perceived as not sinful like the ice cream being also pleasurable.

To me the answer is easy, is the ice cream bring you closer to God? Does masturbation bring you closer to God? In all respects masturbation is always sinful. On the other hand ice cream can go either way.

If you eat the Ice cream and thank the Lord for his goodness of taste buds and chocolate, ice cream is good but if you eat ice cream because it is pleasurable and waste lots of money that could be used to serving the Lord then it could be seen as sinful.

In other words is it for God and Love or is it for selfish reasons.

Other reasons for it being sinful…
Ice cream is not exactly the healthiest food in the world.
You are buying ice cream instead of real food (when real food is needed)
Guilty pleasure - when we eat it to confort us, kind of like alcohol but sugar. True peace is from God.

Some other reasons for it being good.
You are enjoying a ice cream with friends and family or some less-fortunate soul.

God Bless,
John Anthony
 
Ugh. Masturbation is normal and natural, and is in no way a sin, especially a “mortal” one.
 
Ugh. Masturbation is normal and natural, and is in no way a sin, especially a “mortal” one.
Always highly ironic that people who chaffe at dogma make dogmatic statements like this. Pope dkdempsey has spoken!
 
Ugh. Masturbation is normal and natural, and is in no way a sin, especially a “mortal” one.
I’m wondering, what exactly does something being “natural” (or not) have to do with it being sinful (or not)?
 
I’m wondering, what exactly does something being “natural” (or not) have to do with it being sinful (or not)?
I’m not exactly sure what you are asking here. I’m not religious so I don’t believe in “sin”. Of course there is evil in the world, one could hardly miss that. What I’m saying is that masturbation has nothing to do with sin. It is amoral, not immoral. I hope this helps.
 
I’m not exactly sure what you are asking here. I’m not religious so I don’t believe in “sin”. Of course there is evil in the world, one could hardly miss that. What I’m saying is that masturbation has nothing to do with sin. It is amoral, not immoral. I hope this helps.
How do you know what evil is without reference to God?
 
Ugh. Masturbation is normal and natural, and is in no way a sin, especially a “mortal” one.
Why do you think the Catholic Church condemns masturbation? Because it is “self pleasing”? Perhaps. But that is not the only reason. What do YOU think of when you masturbate, since it is so natural? I would bet that you either look at porn or imagine a fantastically erotic scene in your head, or perhaps reflect on a person that you know, or like, or have seen. What is that called? Hmmm… I think it is called LUST! You wanna know what lust leads to? Look out the window and at the rest of the world. It causes fatherless children, empty lives filled with pain and longing, and a self-serving desire that usually doesn’t extend beyond the “self”.

Lust is one of the main reasons that this world is degrading daily. And it isn’t just a new thing, it has been happening since the beginning when Adam and Eve ate that damned fruit, and disobeyed God.

There are consequences to our actions, and lusting after someone, and serving your inner desires and not keeping them in check causes more than you realize. Lust causes death. It has caused numerous wars and falsehoods. This goes for other things as well. Food and drink can be causes of similar consequences. Gluttony. And it all comes down to one thing. Selfishness. Selfishness has NO place in society. If everyone gave freely of their “self” (meaning their goods and services, etc) NO ONE would suffer from a lack of anything! We would all be taken care of. We would always be happy in as far as our possessions and livelihood go.

Take a good look in the mirror and ask, “Who I am I accountable to for the actions that I partake that cause such consequences?”

I pray that you will come home to the Church, all of you who have lost your way.

God Bless,
David
 
Yes,sure.
I’m going to look in the mirror and say to myself, “Stop masturbating now, because the wages of this sin are hairy palms and blindness.” Puh leeez
 
I’m not exactly sure what you are asking here. I’m not religious so I don’t believe in “sin”. Of course there is evil in the world, one could hardly miss that. What I’m saying is that masturbation has nothing to do with sin. It is amoral, not immoral. I hope this helps.
Well if that’s all you’re saying, why mention it as being “normal” and “natural”, as if that were some sort of reasoning or proof for your opinion?

So, to rephrase slightly, can doing something you deem “natural” never be sinful, or, if you prefer, immoral?
 
Yes. But masturbation is hardly like murder or theft. Those are clearly immoral. Peeing is natural but I wouldn’t do it in public. Durr.
 
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