Masturbation

[InTheWilderness]

Hold it- I think in important point is a bit unclear, at least to me. What exactly is happening here?

1. Is this reaction the result of stimulation of the genitals? Is this essentially an orgasm and ejaculation that happens from inadvertent stimulation during exercises?

If that is the case, it seems that you should take reasonable steps to avoid this. Even if you are not doing this for pleasure now, it could turn into that, and then it would be the same as masturbation.

1. Or is this the result of some sort of pressure exerted by the muscles during the exercises? I have heard of people having ejaculations without orgasm under certain unusual conditions. Is that what is going on?

If that is what is going on, it would seem it would still be a good idea to avoid it just because it would be messy and potentially awkward. However, in this case there would not seem to be nearly as much danger of a moral problem, though there is still some potential for one.

In any case perhaps the original poster can clear up this point.

 

[Sixtus]

Some men have noticed that while doing abdominal exercises, blood flows to the private area and may cause an erection and/or ejacualtion. If a husband wanted to keep his abdominals in shape as something to offer his wife and he knew that sometimes it caused ejaculation but was not done with the intent of actually ejaculating, would this be a grave sin?

Amazing, truely amazing. All the cruelty in the world, vulnerable people dying from hunger and denial of their rightful share of the worlds resources, folk in Oriental, Indian and African sweatshops working 18-hours a day for a $1 a day. In some South American countries, computer manufacturers do not pay staff while they are training. They get no sick pay medical care or holiday pay. They work for a poultry sum. The owners are multi-billionares, etc etc and all we worry about is ‘the sin of masturbation’!!!

I think our sense of morality has gone seriously off track.

 

[thistle]

Amazing, truely amazing. All the cruelty in the world, vulnerable people dying from hunger and denial of their rightful share of the worlds resources, folk in Oriental, Indian and African sweatshops working 18-hours a day for a $1 a day. In some South American countries, computer manufacturers do not pay staff while they are training. They get no sick pay medical care or holiday pay. They work for a poultry sum. The owners are multi-billionares, etc etc and all we worry about is ‘the sin of masturbation’!!!

I think our sense of morality has gone seriously off track.

Can you please stop this. I haven’t yet gone through all the threads you’ve posted today but in at least 5 threads you have posted exactly the same comments.
People start threads to have a debate on issues of concern and interest to them and get their questions answered.
You seem to be saying nobody should discuss anything other than what you bring up.
Your comments would be better posted in the Social Justice Forums. Start a thread there if you want these issues discussed but stop trying to hijack other people’sthreads.

 

[Creiddylad]

Amazing, truely amazing. All the cruelty in the world, vulnerable people dying from hunger and denial of their rightful share of the worlds resources, folk in Oriental, Indian and African sweatshops working 18-hours a day for a $1 a day. In some South American countries, computer manufacturers do not pay staff while they are training. They get no sick pay medical care or holiday pay. They work for a poultry sum. The owners are multi-billionares, etc etc and all we worry about is ‘the sin of masturbation’!!!

I think our sense of morality has gone seriously off track.

Amen. That is EXACTLY what I was trying to say, but you put into words better than I ever could.

Thistle - Unfortunately, the social justice forum is really the anti-abortion forum because all that’s in there is threads about abortion, how evil it is, and what we can do to ‘eradicate’ it from our society. I don’t personally consider this a form of social justice. So until I see people volunteering to work in homeless shelters, giving money and supplies to the poor, spreading love tolerance and forgiveness, fighting for people’s rights and trying to bring positive change to what I consider to be an unfair, unjust and corrupt world, I’ll “hijack” threads like these and bring attention to the TRUE important things in life to us Christians.

 

[tassitus]

I don’t personally consider this a form of social justice. So until I see people volunteering to work in homeless shelters, giving money and supplies to the poor, spreading love tolerance and forgiveness, fighting for people’s rights and trying to bring positive change to what I consider to be an unfair, unjust and corrupt world, **I’ll “hijack” threads like these **and bring attention to the TRUE important things in life to us Christians.

With respect, I remind you that of the many topics appropriate for discussion in the Moral Theology forum is the topic known as theology of the body. Despite your thoughts on this subject and the inordinate weight given it (in your opinion) on Catholic Answers Forums, you should again review the rules under which these forums operate, one of which advises:

1. 
   *]Messages posted to threads should be on-topic. If you wish to discuss another topic, start a new thread.
   For the good of the OP and others having issues with this and related topics, I request that you abide by this rule.
   
   In peace.

 

[Creiddylad]

If you read my posts, everything I said actually was on topic. All I did was say I disagreed with the beliefs that masturbation was a sin and I pointed out that I don’t consider it to be a matter of extreme importance compared to other issues such as matters of social justice. Aren’t we allowed to express our opinions on the topic at hand, or does that go against a rule too?

 

[setter]

If you read my posts, everything I said actually was on topic. All I did was say I disagreed with the beliefs that masturbation was a sin and I pointed out that I don’t consider it to be a matter of extreme importance compared to other issues such as matters of social justice. Aren’t we allowed to express our opinions on the topic at hand, or does that go against a rule too?

You are allowed to express your opinions, but they are just that, opinion, and nothing more unless united with the truth that comes to us through the authority of the Catholic Church.

 

[tassitus]

If you read my posts, everything I said actually was on topic. All I did was say I disagreed with the beliefs that masturbation was a sin and I pointed out that I don’t consider it to be a matter of extreme importance compared to other issues such as matters of social justice. Aren’t we allowed to express our opinions on the topic at hand, or does that go against a rule too?

Well, now you’re being facetious. Of course you are free to express your opinions, but it appears your intent on these forums is to enter a discussion dealing solely with sex/lust/body issues, and proclaim that this is a relatively unimportant issue and we all should be discussing issues of social justice, instead.

I find this quite an odd approach - if social justice is your main concern, why are over 90% of your posts on threads relating to sexual sins? Some of the readers on these forums come here to read the opinions and thoughts of others on these topics, whether or not they care to post their own opinions. Rather than trying to stifle these threads, which are on issues you have said are not TRULY “important things in life to us Christians,” why not just avoid reading them?

Whether you understand this or not, and whether you agree with this or not, these issues are extremely serious for some Christians. Please do not try to tell us that in fact they are not, or that they should not be.

Peace all.

 

[Sixtus]

Can you please stop this. I haven’t yet gone through all the threads you’ve posted today but in at least 5 threads you have posted exactly the same comments.
People start threads to have a debate on issues of concern and interest to them and get their questions answered.
You seem to be saying nobody should discuss anything other than what you bring up.
Your comments would be better posted in the Social Justice Forums. Start a thread there if you want these issues discussed but stop trying to hijack other people’sthreads.

My dear Thistle, I apologise if I have offended you. This was not my intention. Nor to hyjack other people’s threads.

If you have looked at my contributions closely, you will notice that actually, they do pertain to the subject matter of each thread.

Having prayed about it beforehand, believe that I am obeying that which is God in me, to bring to the attention of my fellow Christians, the avoidable sufferings of others. Doing what I believe is following the promptings of the Holy Spirit, I am really sorry you find this offensive.

I hear what you are saying. I will try not to be ubiquitous or revert in the future.

 

[Sixtus]

tassitus

Re: Masturbation
Quote:Originally Posted by Creiddylad
If you read my posts, everything I said actually was on topic. All I did was say I disagreed with the beliefs that masturbation was a sin and I pointed out that I don’t consider it to be a matter of extreme importance compared to other issues such as matters of social justice.

I see no harm in what Creiddylad has said. He has replied to a thread about masturbation and he has said that in his opinion, he thinks that this is a very minor violation relative to complicity in Crimes against Humanity by silence.

I would remind those who criticise him that he merely commented on something I had posted. He is a new member. If you want to pick on someone, then may I suggest that you pick on me. I am man enough to take it.

I repeat what I said in my post, I believe that masterbation has to be seen relative to other human failings and I consider that it is minor relative to poverty injustice, cruelty and abuse of the vulnerable. Put another way, it is MY opinion that personal sins are less serious than social sins.

It is also my belief that God will not judge us by how many times we ‘masturbate’ [or do the other things folk worry about in the moral theology thread], but how many times we ignored the plight of millions of His children who have no voice and for whom, no one is much interested in speaking. I wonder what Mother Teresa would have said open the subject!

We do not have to ask what his late Holiness JPII thought, that is too obvious to state. The teachings of JPII support the opinions of Creiddylad.

‘You are allowed to express your opinions, but they are just that, opinion, and nothing more unless united with the truth that comes to us through the authority of the Catholic Church’. I would remind his critics that theirs too are just opinions.

Creiddylad speaks a person who is empowered by the suffering Christ and he is accused of ‘not having a voice’ unless it comes with the approval of the authority of the Catholic Church. He speaks not only with that authority but also with the authority of Him who gave the Church her authority.

 

[PJR]

Wow fellas, I don’t think I will ever be able to watch men do situps ever again. I will also appreciate the beer belly my DH has ever anew.

The new Richard Simmons video craze…Hummpin’ with the Crunches

OH MY, my trainer has a six pack and he went BLIND!! IT"S TRUE!!!