Maternal Age as a serious reason to avoid pregnancy

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So, in another thread this topic came up.

As mom approaches 40, some statistics show that there is an increased risk of bad outcomes. Is this a reason to avoid? Of course, this is an NFP-related thread.
 
Thanks, Paul in VA!

I don’t think there’s an obligation to avoid in most cases, but I would say that age alone is potentially a serious reason, particularly as age increases and the likelihood of a successful pregnancy approaches zero.

Here’s a chart showing maternal age vs. fertility vs. risk of miscarriages. As you can see, the steep fall in fertility in the 40s is largely accounted for by the steep rise in miscarriages. At some point in the later 40s, there’s over a 90% chance of miscarriage.

geneticsandfertility.com/maternal-age-reproduction/
 
I’ve often wondered about this myself. Also, assuming the risks to the baby and mother due to age rise to the level of “serious reasons”, at what age does age alone become a serious reason? 35? 40? Older?
 
Since I asked this question in another thread, I would like to restate the details since this topic is a big one for me right now. I am 37 and hubby is 39. We just had our 7th healthy baby march 25. When I was 19 weeks pregnant we were told our baby could have trisomy 18, a genetic abnormality more likely with advanced maternal age. After a lot of stress and tests and meetings with genetic counselors and hearing how “old” we were, everything turned out fine. I have had 7 relatively easy pregnancies and deliveries, no miscarriages or stillborns, we are financially stable. Basically my only reason for not having another baby is age!

On other threads it as been stated that each couple must decide for themselves, but how could you possibly determine this? I need some more concrete advice!! Could we handle a baby with a genetic problem? How could we possibly know this without experiencing it? Would I feel guilty for purposely conceiving a baby with lifelong struggles when well aware of the increased risks? Most definitely - especially when others would view it as imprudent!!! But why are we fertile well past 35 if conception should be avoided?? It sickens me to think of NFP for the next 10 years or so:(.
 
Many men use age as a way to avoid women their own age and it’s nothing short of cruel, evil and extremely unChristian like. The reality is the advanced age of BOTH genders has an effect on a fetus. Also important to remember not all women are the same as some women are healthy even into their 50’s when it comes to this and some young women are unhealthy, same thing with men.
 
On other threads it as been stated that each couple must decide for themselves, but how could you possibly determine this? I need some more concrete advice!! ? .
There is a certain comfort in being told what to do… in having explicit rules laid out to follow. But the Church in her wisdom does not do this for child spacing/avoiding pregnancy. As much as you don’t want to, you and your husband must decide…weighing the factors yourself.
But why are we fertile well past 35 if conception should be avoided
And girls are fertile at the age of 12-14…I certainly wouldn’t argue that this fact should lead us to believe that getting married and having kids at that age is best.
 
Many men use age as a way to avoid women their own age and it’s nothing short of cruel, evil and extremely unChristian like. The reality is the advanced age of BOTH genders has an effect on a fetus. Also important to remember not all women are the same as some women are healthy even into their 50’s when it comes to this and some young women are unhealthy, same thing with men.
Can there never be a thread on any topic involving one sex where someone doesn’t post something similar to “this is an issue for BOTH sexes!” Can’t we ever not have the post-feminist “the sexes are the same” point reiterated ad naseum? Advanced age is a much more serious problem for women than for men. Is it so bad to admit that?
 
Since I asked this question in another thread, I would like to restate the details since this topic is a big one for me right now. I am 37 and hubby is 39. We just had our 7th healthy baby march 25. When I was 19 weeks pregnant we were told our baby could have trisomy 18, a genetic abnormality more likely with advanced maternal age. After a lot of stress and tests and meetings with genetic counselors and hearing how “old” we were, everything turned out fine. I have had 7 relatively easy pregnancies and deliveries, no miscarriages or stillborns, we are financially stable. Basically my only reason for not having another baby is age!

On other threads it as been stated that each couple must decide for themselves, but how could you possibly determine this? I need some more concrete advice!! Could we handle a baby with a genetic problem? How could we possibly know this without experiencing it? Would I feel guilty for purposely conceiving a baby with lifelong struggles when well aware of the increased risks? Most definitely - especially when others would view it as imprudent!!! But why are we fertile well past 35 if conception should be avoided?? It sickens me to think of NFP for the next 10 years or so:(.
Well, the only thing that can be said with certainty is that - based on statistical evidence - the risk of certain genetic problems, miscarriages, etc increases with age.

Every couple and every pregnancy is different. The best you can do is gather what information you can, including consulting with physicians (2nd and possibly 3rd opinions) and attempt to make the best decision that you can for you and your family.

Not an easy choice for anyone, but as my dad likes to say: “Life’s hard, get a helmet”
 
Since I asked this question in another thread, I would like to restate the details since this topic is a big one for me right now. I am 37 and hubby is 39. We just had our 7th healthy baby march 25. When I was 19 weeks pregnant we were told our baby could have trisomy 18, a genetic abnormality more likely with advanced maternal age. After a lot of stress and tests and meetings with genetic counselors and hearing how “old” we were, everything turned out fine. I have had 7 relatively easy pregnancies and deliveries, no miscarriages or stillborns, we are financially stable. Basically my only reason for not having another baby is age!

**On other threads it as been stated that each couple must decide for themselves, but how could you possibly determine this? ** I need some more concrete advice!! Could we handle a baby with a genetic problem? How could we possibly know this without experiencing it? Would I feel guilty for purposely conceiving a baby with lifelong struggles when well aware of the increased risks? Most definitely - especially when others would view it as imprudent!!! But why are we fertile well past 35 if conception should be avoided?? It sickens me to think of NFP for the next 10 years or so:(.
There a lot of factors that you would consider. If you are in good health and do not have a history of pregnancy complications it might be a lot less risky to have children after age 40. But risk isn’t the only issue. An 8th child at age 40+ is a different concept than an 8th child at age 35. The reason the couple must decide for themselves is that only you and your husband know what you can handle, what another child would mean financially, what support you have if you had a special needs child or a pregnancy complication such as bed rest, etc.
 
There is a certain comfort in being told what to do… in having explicit rules laid out to follow. But the Church in her wisdom does not do this for child spacing/avoiding pregnancy. As much as you don’t want to, you and your husband must decide…weighing the factors yourself.

And girls are fertile at the age of 12-14…I certainly wouldn’t argue that this fact should lead us to believe that getting married and having kids at that age is best.
Of course not but I also don’t believe you can compare a 12-14 year old child with a 37 year old women in a committed long term relationship. A 12-14 year old girl would have no need to use NFP outside of marriage. I, on the other hand, would have to utilize very conservative NFP, as we have conceived twice outside the supposedly fertile window!!
 
While I am certain age can be a legitimate concern for a couple to use NFP to avoid, we cannot use it as a certainty or universal reason for a couple to avoid conception after a certain age or even with certain risks. As far as I know the Church does not change the wedding promises after a certain age. We still accept children lovingly from God.
 
Can there never be a thread on any topic involving one sex where someone doesn’t post something similar to “this is an issue for BOTH sexes!” Can’t we ever not have the post-feminist “the sexes are the same” point reiterated ad naseum? Advanced age is a much more serious problem for women than for men. Is it so bad to admit that?
Actually yeah it is bad in this context. NFP and childbearing is a joint decision. Yours is the position that actually takes the post feminist (it is my body) type of thinking. Let’s assume that losing the love of his life to a pregnancy or having a disabled child has an effect on the man as well.

“My body my choice” is not the mantra of NFP but PP.
 
All too often, statistics cited are like this: After age 40, the risk of having X go wrong doubles, triples, quadruples… Well, that may be, but what was the starting point of this multiplication? Was it .001% increasing to .004% Or was the starting point 20%, and the risk increasing to 80%?

And are the risks higher in certain populations? Are the risks of X higher among poor people (less likely to access pre-natal care), certain racial groups (Tay-Sachs), or among those who engage in certain activities (smokers)?

IOW, one needs to know the precise risk factor, not just scary-sounding but vague numbers; and one needs to know the exact risk factor for oneself as an individual.

A baby who is different from the norm can be born to a couple of any age. It may be slightly or quite more likely as one ages.

Whatever you decide, remember that God is not going to send you grace beforehand to deal with a potentiality–He waits until the grace is needed before He sends it. If by chance you had a baby with problems, God would send you the grace *then, *not now.

So look into the necessary *facts, *and then decide. I think if it is moral to avoid conception because the mother needs a rest or similar, then if there is a high risk of a problem with a baby, that that certainly could be a reason to abstain, but I would definitely check with a priest rather than listening to this random person on the internet 😉
 
lifesitenews.com/news/selfish-convenience-why-people-abort-children-with-down-syndrome

Here is an article that talks about DS babies and the 90 percent abortion rate they have. We must be careful when talking about genetic defects, or miscarriages and statistics that we do not allow the same mentality when discerning to even HAVE children. God said go forth and multiply not go forth and multiply until 40 or so… In fact in the Bible, fertility at older ages is seen as a blessing, not a “just” reason to avoid.
 
Actually yeah it is bad in this context. NFP and childbearing is a joint decision. Yours is the position that actually takes the post feminist (it is my body) type of thinking. Let’s assume that losing the love of his life to a pregnancy or having a disabled child has an effect on the man as well.

“My body my choice” is not the mantra of NFP but PP.
As someone who practices NFP, I’m well aware of the man’s unique role in such decisions. That clearly wasn’t what I was saying nor was the post I was responding to mentioning the unique role of a man in the NFP decision process. I was simply responding to the claim that “age isn’t only a woman’s issue” made as if there is no biological difference between a man and a woman procreating over 40. Nice try though.
 
Can there never be a thread on any topic involving one sex where someone doesn’t post something similar to “this is an issue for BOTH sexes!” Can’t we ever not have the post-feminist “the sexes are the same” point reiterated ad naseum? Advanced age is a much more serious problem for women than for men. Is it so bad to admit that?
Because that would be a lie. Advanced age for men does have an affect, such as increased risk of autism. I never stated the sexes were the same but older people of both genders have increased risks. Men can’t accept this, but it is true.
 
While I am certain age can be a legitimate concern for a couple to use NFP to avoid, we cannot use it as a certainty or universal reason for a couple to avoid conception after a certain age or even with certain risks. As far as I know the Church does not change the wedding promises after a certain age. We still accept children lovingly from God.
While I agree with you that it would be wrong to claim that age is universally a good reason for NFP I have to quibble with your last sentence. The way your post is phrased makes it sound as though people who use NFP to avoid, even if they have just and serious reasons to avoid do not accept children lovingly from God, which is not a universal claim anyone can make.
 
Posting so that I can follow this thread. Due to being on a teratogenic medicine I won’t even be able to try for my first child till at least 34. So I’d really like to keep up-to-date on this topic.
 
While I agree with you that it would be wrong to claim that age is universally a good reason for NFP I have to quibble with your last sentence. The way your post is phrased makes it sound as though people who use NFP to avoid, even if they have just and serious reasons to avoid do not accept children lovingly from God, which is not a universal claim anyone can make.
I guess you read into the post whatever you will. All I did was use the words of marriage. If you have a problem with that. I don’t know what to tell you. 🤷
Perhaps you feel the rite of the sacrament should be changed?

The problem as I see it.

Side A Be open to life
Side B How dare you tell me what my reasons are sir! You are a judgemental person who has no business in my sex life!

Side B These are serious things to think about and weigh and those who discern to avoid are doing so because they know themselves.
Side A You are anti life, selfish sinful people who are no better than ABCers and Aborters!

This is why I am so glad I abandoned NFP. While a legitimate teaching of the Church it is quite young and new. And the Church has been quite vocal with TOB but not really pastoral in teachings on forming a moral decision with NFP. From third world poverty to not being able to send 2 kids to a private Catholic school reasons vary. And relative variations in moral decision making has never fit well with theology. Especially Catholic theology. Our Church is universal and timeless. It is the same today tomorrow and yesterday, it is the same in America and Nigeria or Iraq. It is the same in your 20s and in your 50s.
And because of the moral ambiguity of a new tool of the CHurch used to combat the culture of death, we have debates on the morality of a 40 something deciding to have sex with her husband or not.🤷 No other issue is left open to personal interpretation where so many people can have opposite conclusions and claim CHurch support.
What is the quote about on the little issue compromise and not doing so on the big ones? This is a big one.
 
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