Maternal Mortality rate and the morality of contraception

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bear06:
Yes, there are scriptual references against birthcontrol. See:
catholic.com/library/Birth_Control.asp

Also, your arguments on slavery have been corrected on other threads. You chose not to listen.
The ony scriptural argument they give is Onan’s story, I have a post of the Onan’s story straight from a bible a few posts up.

Nothing about it indicates that it is against contraception, Onan says clearly that he did it not to give his brother offspring. Read the passage for yourself, what that website says about it doens’t make sense.

Here it is, if you don’t want to scroll up:

Genesis 38 7
But Er, Judah’s first-born, greatly offended the LORD; so the LORD took his life.
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3 Then Judah said to Onan, “Unite with your brother’s widow, in fulfillment of your duty as brother-in-law, and thus preserve your brother’s line.”
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Onan, however, knew that the descendants would not be counted as his; so whenever he had relations with his brother’s widow, he wasted his seed on the ground, to avoid contributing offspring for his brother.
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What he did greatly offended the LORD, and the LORD took his life too.

The website you gave says that since in Deutoronomy 25 the punishment for this humiliation, not death, then God must have killed him because it is contraception is weak. Genesis happened before the Exodus, before the law was given. That God through Moses said the punishment for this is humiliation doesn’t preclude that he would kill a man for it before this law was given.
 
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Kendy:
Obviously, you can expect suffering in life, but we also trying to minimize. when you get a headache, you take an aspirine to make it go away.

:banghead: If I get a headache, I try to find the root of the problem (bad lighting, stress ect…) and remedy. I do not pop a pill that only covers up the headache rather than cure. Honestly, I haven’t purchased OTC meds in I don’t know how long.

**Really, I wonder if your (and like-minded opinion) is a symptom of a society that expects a pill to cure every ill???:hmmm: **

I am only suggesting that you should go around trying to increase your and other people’s suffering by having children that you watch die of malnutrition.

:ehh: ** Did you mean to type “shouldn’t”??**

There is a little known option between “trying to increase” and not trying to increase. There is a medium ground.

I don’t wake up in the morning with the goal of getting pregnant before I go to sleep. Neither do I wake up with the goal of avoiding getting pregnant that day.

Good to know that you are giving where you can. That’s obviously a big part of the solution.

**It’s the only solution and a requirement of every Catholic as a work of mercy. **
 
Rob's Wife:
Rob’s Wife,

I am actually not at obsessed with birth control. I sponsor a child every month so that she could have food and water. I have never given money to an organization that promotes contraception. That’s not really something I am that passionated about. However, I can’t say that if someone asked some starving woman, who had already sent one of her children into indentured servanthood, asked me whether she should use contraception to prevent another pregnancy that I would discourage. I would discourage her from using abortive methods, but I don’t think encouraging her to have more children would be good for her or the child that she’s bring into the world to share in her suffering.

So, to answer your other question, I can’t say I respect “bringing someone into the world to share in one’s suffering.” Catholics always say that those who don’t want to have children are selfish, but it seems pretty selfish to seek company in your misery. Children don’t ask to be born. If you are going bring them into the world, I would hope as their mother, you don’t get a kick out of watching them suffer with you.

Kendy
 
Now really. Is Onan contracepting IN ORDER TO AVOID RAISING UP CHILDREN FOR HIS BROTHER?

Yes or no.

Is the way Onan avoids raising up children contraception?

Yes.

Look farther in, in Ruth. Boaz is Ruth’s kinsman, but there is a “nearer” kinsman who is entitled to marry her first. He “should” marry her first, but he refuses, and Boaz marries her.

Onan COULD have refused to marry his sister-in-law, or just “waited it out”. If you read further in Genesis 38, you see that situation whereby Tamar’s husband died and her father in law told her that he would give her to a younger son. When the time came, he did not.

When Onan married his sister-in-law, he made a marriage covenant. By that marriage covenant, he agreed that he would have sexual relations with her. Sexual relations are only licit in marriage, right?

But what Onan did was pay “lip service”–he married the woman but, rather than fulfill the marriage, he CONTRACEPTED and THAT is why he was punished.
 
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aurora77:
I know this isn’t addressed to me, but I have to ask–why not work to prevent that malnutrition? Why isn’t that the top priority? Taking an aspirin works if you have a simple headache, not a brain tumor. Poverty is like that tumor, we can bandage it, with contraception, but contraception does nothing to stop the underlying problem.
No, it doesn’t. But if you have an open wound. You should at least cover it up.

Kendy
 
Actually, some open wounds you need to leave open in order to heal. (I work in a hospital).
 
Rob's Wife:
Rob’s Wife,

I keep box of aleve at home and my office at all times. I am not ashamed of it. 😛

Kendy
 
Tantum ergo:
Now really. Is Onan contracepting IN ORDER TO AVOID RAISING UP CHILDREN FOR HIS BROTHER?

Yes or no.

Is the way Onan avoids raising up children contraception?

Yes.
Please re-read the passage:

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3 Then Judah said to Onan, “Unite with your brother’s widow, in fulfillment of your duty as brother-in-law, and thus preserve your brother’s line.”
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Onan, however, knew that the descendants would not be counted as his; so whenever he had relations with his brother’s widow, **he wasted his seed on the ground, to avoid contributing offspring for his brother. ** 10
What he did greatly offended the LORD, and the LORD took his life too.

What did he do that greatly offended the Lord? He wasted his seed on the ground to avoid contributing offspring for his brother.

I suppose you could interpret it and say that the Lord was offended by the fact that he wasted his seed on the ground, but that’s reading into it. The way it’s written suggests nothing of the kind. Of course it’s possible, but it’s hardly definite, and all we know is that the Lord was offended by his spilling his seed on the ground to avoid contributing offspring for his brother.
Look farther in, in Ruth. Boaz is Ruth’s kinsman, but there is a “nearer” kinsman who is entitled to marry her first. He “should” marry her first, but he refuses, and Boaz marries her.
Presumably Genesis and Ruth were written by different people at different times. Look at the New Testament, there Jesus stops people from stoning a woman. In Deutoronomy stoning was a common punishment for sexual offenses.

Can you use passages from the New Testament to say that people were not stoned for adultery in the Old Testament even though it clearly says they were?

You can’t use passages from Ruth to contradict what’s clearly written in Genesis.
When Onan married his sister-in-law, he made a marriage covenant. By that marriage covenant, he agreed that he would have sexual relations with her. Sexual relations are only licit in marriage, right?
But what Onan did was pay “lip service”–he married the woman but, rather than fulfill the marriage, he CONTRACEPTED and THAT is why he was punished.
This is not what it says in the passage itself, you have to spin the passages a lot to get them to mean that.

It says that Onan wasted his seed on the ground, to avoid contributing offspring for his brother. What he did greatly offended the LORD

God made many commandments in the Old Testament, if he wanted to explicitly forbid contraception he would have done it. Contraception was around back then, especially in Egypt where Moses and the Israelis lived before the Exodus.
 
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svoboda:
I am not a Catholic, I used to be but I lost faith.

All of those are arguments, not scriptural support of a prohibition of birth control. I allege that there are none, but you can prove me wrong.

I think the Church has a lot of good teachings it has acquired over the years, but I think it also has a lot of teachings that doesn’t make sense.

Would God allow people to be wrong? Why not? People in the present state have been around for some 60,000 years (some scientists will say longer, our species is I think 200, 000 years old). There have been many religions, Buddhism and Hinduism predate Christianity and are major religions in their own right. Natives on the American continents had strikingly different beliefs.

God didn’t correct them, why correct anyone else? Even the Church didn’t always forbid slavery. And did some things (i…e Inquisition) that are morally reprehensible. God didn’t come down and correct them. So I wouldn’t exect him to come down and say that those women can use birth control.
I’ve read on several threads what you think the Church teaches about contraception. I have to, respectfully, say that you are mistaken about these teachings. Please do some research on this topic, you will be surprised to learn the truth about it. You will also better be able to debate on here (if you still disagree 😉 ) because you will have an understanding about where we come from.

FYI, I have completely disagreed with these teachings before doing the research for myself. (And I would daresay that many others here could say the same.) I do understand where you are coming from.

However, sterilization does not fix any of the problems you have brought up and for many different reasons.
 
In order to avoid contributing offspring to his brother Onan CONTRACEPTED.

There is simply no other way of stating it.

Contraception EQUALS avoiding contributing offspring to his brother.

No two ways about it, and no “spin” needed.

By your logic, just what was so “offensive” about Onan’s refusing to “contribute offspring to his brother?”

Was there any way OTHER than contraception by which Onan could have refused to contribute offspring to his brother? Why yes there was–he could have refused to marry the widow. In that very same BOOK OF GENESIS, we see that Judah refused to let his son Selah marry his brother’s widow Tamar. So. . .why wasn’t God punishing SELAH or JUDAH? Especially since Judah actually DOES go ahead and have relations with Tamar (NOT spilling his seed outside), but doesn’t marry her then.

So, why was God angry at ONAN? For spilling the seed? Has to be. He doesn’t kill Selah (who SHOULD have married Tamar) nor does he punish Judah (who does marry her).

No, He punishes ONAN, who DID marry the widow but CONTRACEPTED.

For 1900 years the passages were understood as referring to contraception by Christians. For at least 1000 years before THAT, they were understood as referring to contraception by Jews.

Only since 1930 has there been this “spin”–and it’s not MY spin, for what I say has been said for millennia. What YOU say has been said by dissidents for less than 100 years, in order to try to justify going against that teaching.
 
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Kendy:
I am actually not at obsessed with birth control. I sponsor a child every month so that she could have food and water. I have never given money to an organization that promotes contraception. That’s not really something I am that passionated about.

Guess that’s a good start in the right direction.

However, I can’t say that if someone asked some starving woman, who had already sent one of her children into indentured servanthood, asked me whether she should use contraception to prevent another pregnancy that I would discourage. I would discourage her from using abortive methods,

See now, I would want to know why they were spending on desperately needed money on giving a starving woman birth control, when it’s clear what she needs is food. That doesn’t mean I don’t see her suffering for the true suffering any mother with a heart would share in. It means I see a woman that needs food and I want to feed her, not get her birth control. I just don’t understand the math that goes starving woman + child = give birth control?? Shouldn’t it be starving woman + child = give food**?**

but I don’t think encouraging her to have more children would be good for her or the child that she’s bring into the world to share in her suffering.

Again, I know this may be hard for you and many others to understand (I do NOT intend that as condesending either - it’s society conditioning, imo), but not using birth control is NOT the same as trying to get pregnant or encouraging pregnancy.

So, to answer your other question, I can’t say I respect “bringing someone into the world to share in one’s suffering.” Catholics always say that those who don’t want to have children are selfish, but it seems pretty selfish to seek company in your misery.

Children don’t ask to be born. If you are going bring them into the world, I would hope as their mother, you don’t get a kick out of watching them suffer with you.

**No, no… that’s not how I meant it. How can I word this to make you understand??? **Of course I wouldn’t get a kick out of seeing my children suffer. (which they aren’t at all by the way)

Why do you think those women cry over the loss of their children, even when they’ve lost many and death may seem better than life and they may have not wanted them and the father may be a complete __? Children are a gift from God even in the middle of hell on earth. Children are a reason to walk through that hell and offer hope that it’s going to be worth it. Children offer comfort in the harshest of times.

You’ve mentioned the extremes people will go to to get a better life or at least a way out of poverty. What you don’t note is that the vast majority of them don’t do it for themselves. It’s not an option to give up, when you turn around and see the faces your children.

Rare is such sacrifice for economic gain or self promotion.
 
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Onan, however, knew that the descendants would not be counted as his; so whenever he had relations with his brother’s widow, **he wasted his seed on the ground, to avoid contributing offspring for his brother. **10
What he did greatly offended the LORD, and the LORD took his life too.
The passage says that what he did offended the Lord, not the reasons behind it! You have just clarified the situation and strengthened all that we have been saying. It would really be “reading into” it to say that it was his reasons instead of the actual actions since that would directly contradict verse 10.

You could take it a step further and say that sterilizing a woman to prevent her from having more children (who are much loved and wanted by God) would greatly offend him. It follows the same logic. God loves and wills all lives into being. While it would certainly hurt to have child after child, knowing that they are in great pain, it doesn’t change God’s love for them or the fact that He desires to have them with Him for all eternity. Thank you.
 
Tantum ergo:
In order to avoid contributing offspring to his brother Onan CONTRACEPTED.

There is simply no other way of stating it.

Contraception EQUALS avoiding contributing offspring to his brother.
Sure, but was God upset by the fact that he contracepted or that he avoided contributing offspring to his brother? That is what we can never know.

It says that by law he had a duty to provide offspring for his brother, but that every time he had sex with his brother’s widow he spilled his semen on the ground to avoid making offspring for this brother (since he knew the descendants would not be counted as his). God was greatly offended by this and killed him.

Where are the passages condemning people from engaging in contraception because it is contraception, not because it violates marriage laws that require a man to provide offspring for his dead brother?
Was there any way OTHER than contraception by which Onan could have refused to contribute offspring to his brother? Why yes there was–he could have refused to marry the widow. In that very same BOOK OF GENESIS, we see that Judah refused to let his son Selah marry his brother’s widow Tamar. So. . .why wasn’t God punishing SELAH or JUDAH? Especially since Judah actually DOES go ahead and have relations with Tamar (NOT spilling his seed outside), but doesn’t marry her then.
I don’t know. Why does Jesus condemn divorce but in the Old Testament even polygamy is not condemned? The Bible is full of contradictions. But what it’s not full of is explicit condemnations of contraception to limit family size for good reasons.

Give me a moment to read the whole book of Genesis and respond further.
 
Genesis 38
1 About that time Judah parted from his brothers and pitched his tent near a certain Adullamite named Hirah.
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There he met the daughter of a Canaanite named Shua, married her, and had relations with her.
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She conceived and bore a son, whom she named Er.
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Again she conceived and bore a son, whom she named Onan.
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2 Then she bore still another son, whom she named Shelah. They were in Chezib when he was born.
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Judah got a wife named Tamar for his first-born, Er.
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But Er, Judah’s first-born, greatly offended the LORD; so the LORD took his life.
Judah marries Shua and has three sons, Er, Onan, and Shelah. Er marries Tamar, offends the Lord, is and is killed by the Lord.
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3 Then Judah said to Onan, “Unite with your brother’s widow, in fulfillment of your duty as brother-in-law, and thus preserve your brother’s line.”
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Onan, however, knew that the descendants would not be counted as his; so whenever he had relations with his brother’s widow, he wasted his seed on the ground, to avoid contributing offspring for his brother.
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What he did greatly offended the LORD, and the LORD took his life too.
Judah says to his next son that it is his duty to make offspring for his later brother Er. Onan knew the descendants would not be his, spilled semen on the ground every time he had sex with his brother’s widow to avoid making offspring for his brother. God was offended and killed him.
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Thereupon Judah said to his daughter-in-law Tamar, “Stay as a widow in your father’s house until my son Shelah grows up”–for he feared that Shelah also might die like his brothers. So Tamar went to live in her father’s house.
Judah was afraid that God would kill Shelah like he killed Er and Onan, so he tells Tamar to stay a widow and live with her father until Shelah grows up.
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Years passed, and Judah’s wife, the daughter of Shua, died. After Judah completed the period of mourning, he went up to Timnah for the shearing of his sheep, in company with his friend Hirah the Adullamite.
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When Tamar was told that her father-in-law was on his way up to Timnah to shear his sheep,
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she took off her widow’s garb, veiled her face by covering herself with a shawl, and sat down at the entrance to Enaim, which is on the way to Timnah; for she was aware that, although Shelah was now grown up, she had not been given to him in marriage.
Judah did not fulfill his promise to Tamar, even though Shelah is grown up he has not married her. Tamar has a plan:
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When Judah saw her, he mistook her for a harlot, since she had covered her face.
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So he went over to her at the roadside, and not realizing that she was his daughter-in-law, he said, “Come, let me have intercourse with you.” She replied, “What will you pay me for letting you have intercourse with me?”
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He answered, “I will send you a kid from the flock.” “Very well,” she said, “provided you leave a pledge until you send it.”
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4 Judah asked, “What pledge am I to give to you?” She answered, “Your seal and cord, and the staff you carry.” So he gave them to her and had intercourse with her, and she conceived by him.
She pretends to be a prostitute and conceived a child by Judah.

Why God isn’t killing her for pretending to be a prostitute and fornicating and him for having sex with what he thought was a prostitute even though he killed Onan for withdrawing is unclear.

Continued…
 
Rob's Wife:
Rob Wife’s

You asked, Why does starving mother plus child not equal food? It certainly does equal food to the extent that I am able to provide it. But I am afraid I am a limited budget.

But let’s say a family of eight (parents included) only makes $500 a year, and let’s say, I know that I am not able to promise food for the additional child that family might bring into the world for the next 18 years. Furthermore, let’s say I know of no other organization that will provide you food for 18 years, but I do know of an organization that will give condoms or sterilization. How can I encourage this not to accept this knowing that I don’t have the means to help her or her child…knowing that the church is not going to help you that much either.

You might ask, why are there people willing to give out condoms or sterilization, but not food? Well, the simple, cruel reality is, it’s a lot cheap to stop pregancies than it is to feed, clothe, and shelter, and educate another human being. Americans alone produce enough food to feed the world more than once every year, but every year tons of food is discarded and lands are not farmed so that food prices might remain at a certain level.

I have no reason to believe that political structures are going to change any time soon. I also have no reason to believe that most people will not choose to buy one more CD a month rather than sponsor a third world child? I have no reason to believe that wealthy infertile couples will not spending thousands on artificle methods of conception and adopt AIDS orphans, especially black ones. Given these realities, I cannot encourage a Haitian mother (or any other mother in her situation) to have one more child knowing what awaits that child. God forgive me, but let her take the condom if her husband will use it or accept sterilization if some NGO is willing to pay for it.

Kendy
 
… Continued

Completing my response to you:
Was there any way OTHER than contraception by which Onan could have refused to contribute offspring to his brother? Why yes there was–he could have refused to marry the widow. In that very same BOOK OF GENESIS, we see that Judah refused to let his son Selah marry his brother’s widow Tamar. So. . .why wasn’t God punishing SELAH or JUDAH? Especially since Judah actually DOES go ahead and have relations with Tamar (NOT spilling his seed outside), but doesn’t marry her then.
Judah refusd to let Shelah marry Tamar because he was afraid that Shelah would die like his other sons, Er and Onan. It doesn’t say that Shelah could refuse or that the duty to make offspring for your brother was not universal. It doesn’t say that Onan could have refused, it clearly says Judah told him to make offspring for Er.
So, why was God angry at ONAN? For spilling the seed? Has to be. He doesn’t kill Selah (who SHOULD have married Tamar) nor does he punish Judah (who does marry her).
He didn’t kill Selah but that doesn’t mean he didn’t sin, plus Shelah didn’t refuse to make offspring for his brother, Judah prevented him from marrying Tamar as he was afraid Shelah would die like Onan and Er. Fornication is a clear sin and he doens’t kill Tamar. He didn’t kill Judah, even though sleeping with a prostitute is a clear sin. So your argument here doesn’t hold.
No, He punishes ONAN, who DID marry the widow but CONTRACEPTED.
By your logic fornication and sleeping with who you believe to be a prostitute aren’t sins because God didn’t punish Tamar or Judah.
For 1900 years the passages were understood as referring to contraception by Christians. For at least 1000 years before THAT, they were understood as referring to contraception by Jews.
Please provide evidnece of this.
 
It is very clear and we know that God was angry with Onan for his ACTION of spilling his seed. The contraceptive RESULT of Onan doing this ACTION is that Onan did not raise up offspring for his brother.

The action of Judah not allowing Selah to marry Tamar was not contraceptive. Though Selah obviously did not raise up offspring for his brother EITHER, God does not punish HIM.

Only the deliberate CONTRACEPTIVE ACTION of Onan was culpable.

This has been taught for 2000 years by Christians and probably at least that long again by Jews.

The idea that God punished Onan for something OTHER than his CONTRACEPTIVE ACTION is IMO a desperate attempt by some to justify defying a teaching by attempting to deny the teaching existed in the first place.

Horse feathers.
 
Tantum ergo:
It is very clear and we know that God was angry with Onan for his ACTION of spilling his seed. The contraceptive RESULT of Onan doing this ACTION is that Onan did not raise up offspring for his brother.

The action of Judah not allowing Selah to marry Tamar was not contraceptive. Though Selah obviously did not raise up offspring for his brother EITHER, God does not punish HIM.
God didn’t punish Tamar for pretending to be a prostitute and fornicating with her father-in-law. God doesn’t punish Judah even though he had sex with a woman he thought was a prostitute.

Does it mean those acts aren’t sinful, or does it mean God doesn’t always kill people when they sin?

Judah did not allow Shelah to marry Tamar because he was afraid Shelah would die like Onan and Er. Did he break the law that required a man to provide offspring for his brother? Maybe, but Shelah did not because his father controlled him. If he didn’t control him, Shelah may very well have sinned, but we already know that God doesn’t kill every sinner.

The Bible says that Onan had a duty to make offspring for his brother, but that since he knew the line would not be his he spilled his seed each time he had sex with Tamar in order to avoid making offspring for his brother. God was offended by this and killed him.

That’s all there is to it.
 
IS THERE A BIBLICAL BASIS FOR THE CHURCH’S TEACHING AGAINST CONTRACEPTION?
Yes. The 38th chapter of Genesis tells the story of Judah, his sons, and
Tamar. One of the sons, Onan, practiced the sin of
contraception–withdrawal in this case–with Tamar, and the Bible tells us
that God slew him because he had done an abominable thing (Gen. 38:10).
It is recognized today that Judah, Onan, and another brother were all
guilty of violating an ancient Eastern brotherhood law called the law of
the Levirate. However, the punishment for violating that law was very mild
and is spelled out in Deuteronomy 25:5- 10. Judah himself admitted his
guilt (Gen. 38:26). It is therefore clear that the special punishment
meted out to Onan was not just for the violation of the Levirate but
rather for the way in which only he had sinned–his contraceptive behavior
of going through the motions of the covenantal act and then “spilling his
seed” (Gen. 38:9).
This interpretation is backed up by the only incident in the New Testament
where immediate death is the punishment for sin–the deaths of Ananias and
Saphira who went through the motions of a giving act but defrauded it of
its meaning (Acts 5:1-11).
ARE THERE ANY OTHER BIBLICAL REFERENCES TO BIRTH CONTROL?

Probably yes. In the New Testament, it is possible that the Greek
“pharmakeia” refers to the birth control issue. “Pharmakeia” in general
was the mixing of various potions for secret purposes, and it is known
that potions were mixed in the first century A.D. to prevent or stop a
pregnancy. The typical translation as “sorcery” may not reveal all of the
specific practices condemned by the New Testament. In all three of the
passages in which it appears, it is in a context condemning sexual
immorality; two of the three passages also condemn murder. (Gal. 5:19-26;
Rev. 9:21, 21:8). Thus it is very possible that there are three New
Testament passages condemning the use of the products of “pharmakeia” for
birth control purposes.

QUOTE]Throughout her history the Catholic Church has maintained a clear, forceful, and consistent position in her teaching about the essential evil of contraception. After surveying the Church’s historical teaching on contraception, Paul VI’s Minority Commission offered the following statement:
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    One can find no period in history, no document of the Church, no theological school, scarcely one Catholic theologian, who ever denied that contraception was always seriously evil. The teaching of the Church in this matter is absolutely constant. Until the present century this teaching was peacefully possessed by all other Christians, whether Orthodox or Anglican or Protestant.11

In 1931, the year after the Lambeth Conference opened the doors to contraception for the Anglican Church, Pope Pius XI issued his encyclical Casti Connubii (“On Chaste Wedlock”) in which he reiterated the Church’s long-standing opposition to contraception, while explaining that, for right reasons, it is permissible to confine conjugal acts to known periods of infertility.
In 1980, at the Synod of Bishops, representatives of national hierarchies from around the world addressed the issue of contraception. After giving the matter careful consideration, the bishops professed their agreement with Humanae Vitae and Vatican II’s Gaudium et Spes on contraception. John Paul II ratified their statement and, reflecting on the significance of the matter at hand, stated:
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Consideration in depth of all the aspects of these problems offer a new and stronger confirmation of the importance of the authentic teaching on birth regulation reproposed in the Second Vatican Council and in the Encyclical Humanae Vitae.12

Scholars have provided highly detailed and lengthy argumentation that the Catholic Church’s teaching concerning contraception has been infallibly taught by the ordinary magisterium under the conditions articulated by Vatican II in Lumen Gentium 25.13 Moreover, if the Church had been wrong throughout the centuries on an issue of such fundamental importance as contraception, how could she maintain her claim to being the authentic interpreter of Christ’s teachings?

In July of 1987, at a conference on responsible procreation, John Paul II reminded participants that the Church’s consistent teaching has been vigorously expressed by Vatican II, Humanae Vitae, Familiaris Consortio, and Donum Vitae. He went on to say “The Church’s teaching on contraception does not belong in the category of matter open to free discussion among theologians. Teaching the contrary amounts to leading the moral consciences of spouses into error.”14 In the words of one bishop: “The Church has not changed its teaching against contraception. What is more, the Church cannot change its teaching against contraception. Because the Church sees that teaching as based on God’s moral order.”15
 
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