John 17 3 said:
Note that he only dropped the Church Fathers’ names. He did not even supply us with any of their quotes as an example.
Amen!
2)The Pocket Bible Dictionary (Protestant) says "Pe'ter (Rock), Syriac,CEPHAS (Rock)... His original name was Simon or Simeon but when he was called to the apostleship the Lord gave him the name Peter (CEPHAS) Matthew.16:18, with a prophetic reference to what he should do and be for the church."
3)The Bible Encyclopedia (Protestant) tells us"Note that Christ did not speak to the disciples in Greek. He spoke Aramaic, the common language of Palestine at that time. In that language the word for rock is Cepha, which is what Jesus called him in every-day speech (note that in John 1:42 he was told, "You will be called Cephas"). What Jesus said in Matthew 16:18 was thus: "You are Cepha, and upon this Cepha I will build my Church."
4)The Bible Cyclopedia, 1914 (Protestant) says"Peter. Of Bethsaida on the sea of Galilee. The Gr. For Heb. Cephas, "rock."..... As "Simon" he was but a hearer; as Peter or Cephas he became an apostle and the *foundation rock of the Church*. (Matt. 16:18-19)"
5)The Encyclopedic Dictionary of the Bible (Protestant), Vol. II, p. 1815 says"The Aramaic word for ‘rock’ is Cepha, and this is without a doubt the word that Jesus used in reference to Peter. In the early Aramaic-speaking Church P. (Peter) was not doubt called ‘Cephas.’...Abundant evidence in the New Testament shows that Peter acted as the head of the apostles during the earthly life of Christ as well as after Christ’s ascension into Heaven;" ...He is the first to publicly profess his faith in Christ, and on this occasion, at Caesarea Philippi, Christ promises him the primacy in His Church (Mt 16:16-19), a promise fulfilled after Christ’s resurrection when Peter makes a threefold protestation of his undying love for Him (Jn 21,15ff), to atone for his three-fold denial of Him (Mt 26:69-75)."
6)Dictionary of Biblical Literacy, p. 415 (Protestant) "Peter. Greek ‘Petra’, Aramaic ‘Cephas’, ‘Rock.’ the name Christ gave to Simon Bar-Johnah."
Cont.... 8)The New World Dictionary-Concordance to the New American Bible p. 527 (Protestant) says "Peter. Simon or Simeon, which is the Greek form of the name, was son of Jonah.... From Christ he received the name of Cepha, an Aramaic name which means rock, translated into Greek by the word Petros (Gal. 2:7, 8)...The power entrusted to Peter is further specified as the power to tie and loose, which, in accordance with the use of the expression in the Jewish tradition, comprises the power to declare something prohibited or licit, or to impose or dispense from, an obligation. This power must be in the context of the power that Peter received, namely authority in the service of the community as it tended towards its eschatological end as expressed in the previous metaphor."
9)A Dictionary of the Bible (Protestant) says �3 "Pe’ter,The Greek form of the Aramiac surname Cephas meaning a rock, which Christ bestowed upon Simon or more properly, Symeon ...Peter ardor, earnestness, courage, vigor, and impetuosity of disposition marked him from the first as the leader of the disciples of Jesus. He is always named first in the lists of the apostles (Matt. x 2; Mark iii 16; Luke vi 14; Acts i 13). In the more intimate circle of the most favored three disciples, he is likewise always named first...The period of leadership in the church, as exhibited in the earlier chapters of The Acts. During these years Peter justified his surname, and fulfilled the prophecy that on him should the edifice of the church be raised (Matt. 16:18). It was by his hold and strong hand that the church was lead in every step." "Likewise it is decreed . . . that it ought to be announced that . . . the holy Roman Church has not been placed at the forefront [of the churches] by the conciliar decisions of other churches, but has received the primacy by the evangelic voice of our Lord and Savior, who says: 'You are Peter, and upon this rock I will build my Church, and the gates of hell will not prevail against it; and I will give to you the keys of the kingdom of heaven . . . ' [Matt. 16:18-19]. The first see, therefore, is that of Peter the apostle, that of the Roman Church, which has neither stain nor blemish nor anything like it" (Decree of Damasus 3 [A.D. 382]).
**Jerome**
"'But,' you [Jovinian] will say, 'it was on Peter that the Church was founded' [Matt. 16:18]. Well . . . one among the twelve is chosen to be their head in order to remove any occasion for division." (Against Jovinian 1:26 [A.D. 393]).
**Jerome**
"I follow no leader but Christ and join in communion with none but your blessedness [Pope Damasus I], that is, with the chair of Peter. I know that this is the rock on which the Church has been built. Whoever eats the Lamb outside this house is profane. Anyone who is not in the ark on Noah will perish when the flood prevails" (Letters 15:2 [A.D. 396]).
**Augustine**
"If the very order of Episcopal succession is to be considered, how much more surely, truly, and safely do we number them [the bishops of Rome] from Peter himself, to whom, as to one representing the whole Church, the Lord said, 'Upon this rock I will build my Church, and the gates of hell shall not conquer it.' Peter was succeeded by Linus, Linus by Clement . . . In this order of succession a Donatist bishop is not to be found" (Letters 53:1:2 [A.D. 412]).
Look at the context:
Your Infallible interpretation is a real thrill for us here at ignoranamousville.Look at the context:
In verse 13 Jesus asks his disciples, “Who do people say the Son of Man is?” Then in verse 15 Jesus asks his disciples, "Who do you say I am?" In verse 16 Peter answers for the disciples when he states, "You are the Christ, the Son of the living God." In verse 17 Jesus responds, “Blessed are you, Simon son of Jonah, for **this **(Peter’s statement, “You are the Christ, the Son of the living God.”) was not revealed to you by man, but by my Father in heaven.” Verse 18, “And I tell you that you are petros, and upon this ***Petra ***I will build my church”. As we know ***petros ***is masculine and means a stone while Petra is feminine and means a large mass of rock. Now why would the writer, under the inspiration of the Holy Spirit change gender and use a different word when referring to the same person in the same sentence? The answer:
"this rock" in verse 18 refers to the statement Peter had just made, "“You are the Christ, the Son of the living God.” Now look at Jesus’ reply, “Blessed are you, Simon son of Jonah, for this (Peters statement) was not revealed to you by man, but by my Father in heaven. And I tell you that you are Peter, and on **this rock **( again, Peters statement, “You are the Christ, the Son of the living God.”) I will build my church, and the gates of Hades will not overcome it.”
Scripture says that the church is ‘built on the foundation of the apostles and prophets, with Christ Jesus himself as the chief cornerstone.’ (Ephesians 2:20)
‘For no one can lay any foundation other than the one already laid, which is Jesus Christ.’ (1 Corinthians 3:11)
It is crystal clear that the church is built upon Jesus Christ, not Peter!
No, here YOU go again!
ο Ιησους ειπεν αυτωι Μακαριος ει Σιμων Βαρ Ιωνα οτι σαρξ και αιμα ουκ απεκαλυψεν σοι αλλ ο Παταρ μου `ο εν τοις ουρανοις σοι = for you (singular)
λεγ - ω = * say
} και = and
επι = on (above/over/upon) τ - ηι = the (ηι=feminine, singular Location )
πετρ-αι = rock (feminine/collective Location )
}
οικο- δομ - η - σω = house-give/build (σω=I will)
μου = of mine/me
τ-ην = the (feminine object/predicate version)
εκ+κλησι-αν = out+calling(sing. fem. predicate)
You’re pretty long-winded don’t you think?
This belongs on another thread but nothing you say here in any way reflects the doctrine of the Cathoic Church. Where do you get these ideas? Did somebody tell you this, or did you just deduce it by what you think you see Catholics doing?
Why don’t you start different threads on each of these items? It is easier to keep arguements straight that way, both for yourself and us.