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Whenever the three days and three nights of Matthew 12:40 is brought up in a “discussion” with 6th day crucifixion folks, they frequently argue that it is a Jewish idiom for counting any part of a day as a whole day. I wonder if anyone has documentation that shows that the phrase “x” days and “x”nights was ever used in the first century or before when it didn’t include at least parts of the “x” days and at least parts of the “x” nights?
 
I don’t know about 1st century, but here are examples from Augustine and Jerome some 300+ years later expressing the sentiment that a partial day refers to the day:*Aug., De Cons., Ev., iii, 24: Some, not knowing the Scripture manner of speaking, would interpret as one night those thee hours of darkness when the sun was darkened from the sixth to the ninth hour; and as a day in like manner these other three hours in which it was [p. 468] again restored to the world, from the ninth hour till sunset. Then follows the night preceding the sabbath, which if we reckon with its own day we shall have thus two days and two nights. Then after the sabbath follows the night of the sabbath prime, that is of the dawning of the Lord’s day on which the Lord arose. Thus we shall only get two nights and two days, with this one night to be added if we might understand the whole of it, and it could not be shewn that that dawn was indeed the latter part of the night.
So that not even by taking in those six hours, three of darkness, and three of restored light, can we establish the computation of three days and three nights. It remains therefore that we find the explanation in that usual manner of Scripture of putting a part for the whole.

Jerome: Not that He remained three whole days and three nights in hell, but that this be understood to imply a part of the preparation day, and of the Lord’s day, and the whole sabbath day.

Aug., De Trin., iv. 6: For that the three days were not three full and entire days, Scripture witnesses; the first day is reckoned because the latter end of it comes in; and the third day is likewise reckoned, because the first part of it is included; while the day between, that is the second day, appears in all its twenty-four hours, twelve of the night and twelve of the day. For the succeeding night up to the dawn when the Lord’s resurrection was made known, belongs to the third day. For as the first days of creation were, because of man’s coming fall, computed from morning to night; so these days are because of man’s restoration computed from night to morning.*
 
Here is Cardinal Lapide’s commentary on the matter - at the end he references some ancient habits to speak in this way:*You will ask, how Christ was three days and nights in the sepulchre and Limbus: for He was there only on Friday and Saturday nights, and rose at day-break on Sunday? 1. Alcuin (L. de. Divinis 0ff. sec. de. Cœna. Dom.) gathers from this place that Christ lay in the tomb three whole days and nights, or 72 hours, and consequently rose again at the end of Easter Monday. But this is certainly a mistake. The constant tradition of the church is that Christ rose on the Lord’s day.
  1. Greg. Nyssen (Orat. 1 &. 2 de Resurrec.) computes these three days to begin on Thursday. He is of opinion, that when on the evening of that day Christ instituted the Eucharist, He offered Himself to God under the species of bread and wine by means of the unbloody sacrifice. The soul of Christ was separated from the body, but that this was done in a secret and invisible manner, and that then the soul of Christ went down to Hades, and that thus He pre-accomplished His death, which the Jews were visibly to bring about on the following day upon the cross. But this, too, is an error. For there is really in the Eucharist the soul of the Living Christ, that is to say, in His body and blood contained under the species of bread and wine. It is there, I say, not indeed by virtue of the words of consecration, but by natural concomitance. For in the Eucharist there is Living Christ, with His Soul, even as He is outside the Eucharist. Thus the Council of Trent defines (Sess. 13, sec. 2). It would have been otherwise if any of the Apostles had consecrated the Eucharist during the triduum of the Passion. For then the Body and Blood of Christ would have been in it separated from His Soul, for in this manner they were in Christ Himself now buried. For Christ was then dead, not alive.
I say then, that the expression three days and three nights is here only a periphrasis and description of a natural day. The two integral parts of such a day are day and night, or light and darkness. Christ makes use of this periphrasis because Jonah, His antetype, did the same. (Jonah i. 17.) We must not understand that these days are three artificial days as opposed to nights, as if during three days, in which the sun is above the horizon, Christ lay in the tomb; for this was not the case. You must consider these three natural days to be not whole days but parts of days, namely, the latter part of Friday; when Christ being taken down from the Cross, was laid in the sepulchre, the whole of Saturday, and part of the Lord’s day. For although the Hebrews reckoned their civil days from one sun-rise to another, like the Chaldeans and the Persians (Beda de ration. temp.), yet they computed their sacred days, such as the Passover, from evening to evening. Thus S. Jerome, Theophyl., Euthym., and S. Aug. and commentators, passim, explain the meaning of these three days. Hence Christ is constantly spoken of as rising on the third day, or after three days, without any mention of nights.

But in this place, according to this computation, there were but two nights in which Christ lay in the tomb, viz. Friday and Saturday nights, and yet three nights are expressly mentioned. Others therefore answer more fully and plainly; that these three days and nights are reckoned according to the Roman computation. For the Romans were at that time, masters of Judea, and had introduced their own methods of computing time in civil affairs. The Romans reckoned from midnight to midnight, as Christians do in their fasts and festivals. (See Macrob. L. 1. Saturni c. Gell. L. 3. c. 2. Pliny. L. 2. c. 77. and others). According to this reckoning it is clear Christ remained in the tomb during a part of three days and three nights. He was buried on Friday before sunset; and was in the tomb until the midnight of that day. After that He was in the tomb during the entire day and night of the Sabbath; and from the midnight of Sunday for about six hours until that dawning of the Lord’s Day on which He arose. For the Passover was at that time about the equinox, when the days and nights are equal, each being about twelve hours long. But the Soul of Christ, immediately when He expired upon the Cross at the ninth hour, i.e., at three o’clock in the afternoon, descended into Limbus, and there remained with the Fathers until the dawn of Easter Day. Now that the Jews made use of the Roman method of computing time may be learnt as well from other things, as because they borrowed the four watches of the night from the practice in use among the Roman armies. (See Matt. xiv. 25 and elsewhere.) Different nations had different methods of reckoning the beginning of the day. The Persians and Babylonians reckoned from sunrise to sunrise. The Athenians and Italians, from sunset to sunset. Astronomers from midday to midday. But the Egyptians and Roman priests reckoned from midnight to midnight: and this method has continued in the Roman Church. The Hebrews then in the time of Christ followed the method of the Romans, to whom they were subject. Franc. Lucas teaches that the Jews did not compute their Festivals from midnight as Christians do. The explanation given above is that of S. Anselm, in Loco. Isidore of Pelusium (L. 1. Epist 114 and 212), D. Thom., (3. p. q. 46. art. 9), Suarez (3. p. q. 53. disp. 46. sect. 3. in fine.), and Baronius. (A. C. 34.).*
 
The time of the start of the three days and three night starts at 6AM on Thursday when the Sanhedrin convicted Jesus of blasphemy from that time Jesus was considered dead. This is exactly 3 days and 3 nights in the correct order until the resurrection. As soon as Jesus was convicted, He was transferred into Pilate’s custody and was imprisoned below ground (in the earth) when He died He went into the tomb also below ground. Jonah was in the belly of the great fish, the first part of that time was in the hold of the ship (below sea level but alive) the second part after the fish swallowed him below sea level where he died. This is one of the strong proofs of the last supper being on Tuesday evening. See www.scripturescholar.com/ChronologyJesus.pdf page 62.
Also a sacrifice so Jesus’ body would become corrupt on the third day so a portion of the three days and three night for Jesus and Jonah must be with them alive or they would have become corrupt. So the first part of Jonah’s 3 days and 3 nights was in the belly of the ship, a different type of great fish.
Grace and peace,
Bruce
 
Whenever the three days and three nights of Matthew 12:40 is brought up in a “discussion” with 6th day crucifixion folks, they frequently argue that it is a Jewish idiom for counting any part of a day as a whole day. I wonder if anyone has documentation that shows that the phrase “x” days and “x”nights was ever used in the first century or before when it didn’t include at least parts of the “x” days and at least parts of the “x” nights?
All one has to do is go to Jerusalem to see how they view a day.

For example

Friday sundown starts Sabbath. Elevators in hotels go to Sabbath mode. You can’t push any buttons in the elevators for the floor ( no work on the Sabbath 🙂 ). Elevators automatically stop at every floor. All restaurants go on Sabbath mode. No cooking. All the meals were prepared earlier that day. and so on and so forth for everything. Sundown Saturday, Sabbath is over and everything goes back to normal.

Which means

  1. *]Friday afternoon when Jesus died and was buried, is one day.
    *]At sundown Friday, (Sabbath) starts a new day, the 2nd day.
    *]Sundown Saturday, ends the Sabbath, and starts a new day, the 3rd day which ends Sundown Sunday…
 
Whenever the three days and three nights of Matthew 12:40 is brought up in a “discussion” with 6th day crucifixion folks, they frequently argue that it is a Jewish idiom for counting any part of a day as a whole day. I wonder if anyone has documentation that shows that the phrase “x” days and “x”nights was ever used in the first century or before when it didn’t include at least parts of the “x” days and at least parts of the “x” nights?
When refering to a verse in Holy Scripture, it’s a good practice to quote the passage.
Mat 12:40 for as Jonah was three days and three nights in the belly of the whale; so shall the Son of man be three days and three nights in the heart of the earth.
 
Thanks for the comments, but they are all guesses about how the three days and three nights might be reconciled with a 6th day burial and 1st day resurrection. I am looking for at least one first century or before use of the phrase “x” days and “x” nights where it absoluteyl refers to a period of time that doesn’t include at least parts of the “x” days and at least parts of the “x” nights.

re: “When refering to a verse in Holy Scripture, it’s a good practice to quote the passage.”

Sorry, I forgot that this was a Catholic forum.
 
Thanks for the comments, but they are all guesses about how the three days and three nights might be reconciled with a 6th day burial and 1st day resurrection. I am looking for at least one first century or before use of the phrase “x” days and “x” nights where it absoluteyl refers to a period of time that doesn’t include at least parts of the “x” days and at least parts of the “x” nights.

re: “When refering to a verse in Holy Scripture, it’s a good practice to quote the passage.”

Sorry, I forgot that this was a Catholic forum.
What I gave you was not a guess, it’s by experience when I was in Judea. I’m recounting time, as time is understood by Jews.
 
Whenever the three days and three nights of Matthew 12:40 is brought up in a “discussion” with 6th day crucifixion folks, they frequently argue that it is a Jewish idiom for counting any part of a day as a whole day. I wonder if anyone has documentation that shows that the phrase “x” days and “x”nights was ever used in the first century or before when it didn’t include at least parts of the “x” days and at least parts of the “x” nights?
According to Matthew 12:40, Jesus prophesied that he would be three days and three nights in the tomb.

According to John 20:1 Jesus was two days and two nights in the tomb.

According to Mark 16:2, Luke 24:1, Matthew 28:1, Jesus was three days and two nights in the tomb.

To the best of my knowledge there is no place in the Christian scriptures where Jesus was three days and three nights in the tomb.

It makes no difference if we say that a day begins at midnight and ends at midnight or if we say that a day begins after sundown with the appearance of 3 stars and ends after sundown with the appearance of three stars.
 
When refering to a verse in Holy Scripture, it’s a good practice to quote the passage.
Mat 12:40 for as Jonah was three days and three nights in the belly of the whale; so shall the Son of man be three days and three nights in the heart of the earth.
The text in the Jewish scriptures reads דג גדול or huge fish. The word "whale’ is not used. Ironically the story of Yonah (Jonah) speaks of redemption for all and that redemption is not limited to Jews or the geography of the Jews eternal Homeland (Yonah is sent to a foreign pagan city which in the end is redeemed). This concept is rejected by Christianity which believes that “salvation” is available only to those who share their beliefs in the Christian leader.
 
steve b,

re: “What I gave you was not a guess, it’s by experience when I was in Judea.”

You were in Judea in the first century?
 
There seems to be some confusion over what I am asking for in the OP. For the purpose of this topic, I am not looking for possible explanations for how the 3 days and 3 nights can be reconciled with a 6th day crucifixion and 1st day resurrection. I’m only looking for what I set forth in the OP.
 
1 Kings 20:29 - And both sides set their armies in array one against the other seven days, and on the seventh day the battle was fought: and the children of Israel slew of the Syrians a hundred thousand footmen in one day.

1 Samuel 30:11 And they found an Egyptian in the field, and brought him to David: and they gave him bread to eat, and water to drink,
12 As also a piece of a cake of figs, and two bunches of raisins. And when he had eaten them his spirit returned, and he was refreshed: for he had not eaten bread, nor drunk water three days, and three nights.
13 And David said to him: To whom dost thou belong? or whence dost thou come? and whither art thou going? He said: I am a young man of Egypt, the servant of an Amalecite, and my master left me, because I began to be sick three days ago.

Esther 4:16 Go, and gather together all the Jews whom thou shalt find in Susan, and pray ye for me. Neither eat nor drink for three days and three nights: and I with my handmaids will fast in like manner, and then I will go in to the king, against the law, not being called, and expose myself to death and to danger.
17 So Mardochai went, and did all that Esther had commanded him.
5:1 And on the third day Esther put on her royal apparel, and stood in the inner court of the king’s house, over against the king’s hall: now he sat upon his throne in the hall of the palace, over against the door of the house.
 
JM3,

I don’t see where any of your examples show that the phrase “x” days and “x” nights absolutely HAD to mean a period of time that didn’t include at least parts of “x” days and at least parts of “x” nights. If you still think that they do, how about picking one of them and explain why you think it does.
 
steve b,

You were in Judea in the first century?
Sabbath for a Jew in Judea today, is the same as it was in the 1st century. Sundown Friday to sundown Saturday. That definitrely matters when one is considering counting days from the crucifixion. Friday for example started sundown Thursday.
 
steve b,

I wonder if you might explain why you think your post #15 is responsive to my request in the OP?
 
steve b,

I wonder if you might explain why you think your post #15 is responsive to my request in the OP?
You’re #1 on the thread

When you said
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rstrats:
Whenever the three days and three nights of Matthew 12:40 is brought up in a “discussion” with 6th day crucifixion folks, they frequently argue that it is a Jewish idiom for counting any part of a day as a whole day. I wonder if anyone has documentation that shows that the phrase “x” days and “x”nights was ever used in the first century or before when it didn’t include at least parts of the “x” days and at least parts of the “x” nights?
You apparantly disagree with
  • 6th day crucifixion
  • when days begin and end, in Jewish terms, scripturally
So I showed you that in Jewish terms, in Judea, sunset ends one day and begins a new day.

For example
  • Friday (the 6th day ) begins Thrusday at sunset and ends Friday @ sunset.
  • Saturday (the Sabbath) begins Friday @ sunset and ends Saturday @ Sunset.
  • Sunday (the 1st day) begins Saturday @ sunset and ends Sunday @ sunset.
Jesus was crucified on Friday. So that he wasn’t on the cross on the Sabbath, He was removed from the cross and buried before sunset on Friday.
 
steve b,

I’m sorry, but I don’t see how your comments are responsive to my request in the OP.

Perhaps someone new looking in will know of some documentation.
 
steve b,

I’m sorry, but I don’t see how your comments are responsive to my request in the OP.

Perhaps someone new looking in will know of some documentation.
It’s exactly as I said,

“Shabbat, (Sabbath) like all Jewish days, begins at sunset, because in the story of creation in Genesis Ch. 1, you will notice that it says, “And there was evening, and there was morning, one day.” From this, we infer that a day begins with evening, that is, sunset”.

jewfaq.org/shabbat.htm

There’s your documentation. 😉
 
steve b,

I’m sorry, but I don’t see how your comments are responsive to my request in the OP.

Perhaps someone new looking in will know of some documentation.
It’s as I said

“All Jewish holidays begin the evening before the date specified on most calendars. This is because a Jewish “day” begins and ends at sunset, rather than at midnight. If you read the story of creation in Genesis Ch. 1, you will notice that it says, “And there was evening, and there was morning, one day.” From this, we infer that a day begins with evening, that is, sunset. Holidays end at nightfall of the date specified on most calendars; that is, at the time when it becomes dark out, about an hour after sunset.”
jewfaq.org/holiday0.htm

Shabbat (Sabbath) is no different.

There is your documentation
 
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