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Let me start out by stating that I am not a Catholic. I’m not here to flame or bash anyone, but in the process of studying Matthew 16, I’ve come to a couple of technical questions that hopefully someone will be able to answer.
Also, please understand that I’ve already read most of the posts on this forum, and various other forums, on the subject, and thus I understand the general issues I’m presenting. All I’m looking for here is specific answers to questions.
So, here we go. Everyone’s familiar with the Matthew 16:18 passage, reading, “You are Peter, and on this rock I will build my church.” The typical arguments look something like this…
Also, please understand that I’ve already read most of the posts on this forum, and various other forums, on the subject, and thus I understand the general issues I’m presenting. All I’m looking for here is specific answers to questions.
So, here we go. Everyone’s familiar with the Matthew 16:18 passage, reading, “You are Peter, and on this rock I will build my church.” The typical arguments look something like this…
- Catholics present that the words used in the passage are “petros” and “petra”, which are obviously just different gender forms of the same word, and thus they must mean the same thing.
- Protestants rebut with the argument that the words are distinctly different, and cite Attic Greek as a proof of this.
- Catholics then point out, first, that this differentiation had, at the time of Matthew’s writing, passed out of usage, and thus the words are synonymous. Additionally, they point out that the original conversation would have been carried on in Aramaic, and the word kepha would have been used in both locations, thus making the words identical.
- Protestants claim that in Aramaic, the word shu’a would have been a more appropriate word to have been translated as petra, rather than kepha. In fact, if we didn’t know that Simon Peter was referred to as Kepha, we probably would have assumed the use of shu’a instead. Kepha, however, could be translated as petros, rather than petra, because lithos is too small to be equivalent to a kepha, and petra is too big. Thus, while outdated, using petros as a smaller stone is the best one could do in translating Jesus’ words.
- We know that they chose to translate the Aramaic Kephas/Cephas, that Jesus called Simon Peter, into Petros. If the word in place of “rock” in Aramaic was shu’a (or the Hebrew sela’ or something else equivalent), how would it have been translated into Greek? Would not petra have been the word used? Again, if the sentence, in Aramaic were “You are Kepha, and on this shu’a I will build my church,” how would it have been translated into Greek?
- It’s been argued that a name for a male would require the conversion of the feminine petra into the masculine petros in order to be proper, and that this didn’t really change any meaning because the words meant the same by that point in time. My question then is why Mattew could not, or even would not, have used the word petros twice. Is there any reason in Greek grammar which prevents such uses?
In advance, thank you for your responses.