Matthew 24:28

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“So if anyone tells you, ‘There he is, out in the desert,’ do not go out; or, ‘Here he is, in the inner rooms,’ do not believe it. For as lightning that comes from the east is visible even in the west, so will be the coming of the Son of Man. Wherever there is a carcass, there the vultures will gather.
-Matthew 24:26-28
I do not understand what “Wherever there is a carcass, there the vultures will gather” means. I, to be more accurate, do not understand what it means in context. Does it have anything to do with verse 26? (“So if anyone tells you, ‘There he is, out in the desert,’ do not go out; or, ‘Here he is, in the inner rooms,’ do not believe it.” [skip] “Wherever there is a carcass, there the vultures will gather”)

I don’t know what is it referring to. Carcass possibly refers to death (possibly about the false Messiahs, because they lead to death), but what about vultures? Why not doves? What does it refer to? What is the meaning of the passage in context? What I also want to know is what to the vultures represent and why the “represented” is symbolized with a vulture and not with any other bird?

Thank you and God bless you! :heaven:
 
Could it be, “Where ever there is someone who is spiritually dead, there the evil ones will ravage”.
 
Here is an explanation from the NAB on the United States Conference of Catholic Bishops website.

Matthew 24

Read footnote 15 which corresponds to the verse you are asking about.

15 [26-28] Claims that the Messiah is to be found in some distant or secret place must be ignored. The coming of the Son of Man will be as clear as lightning is to all and as the corpse of an animal is to vultures; cf Luke 17:24, 37. Here there is clear identification of the Son of Man and the Messiah; cf Matthew 24:23.

I hope this helps you and God bless you.

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I do not understand what “Wherever there is a carcass, there the vultures will gather” means. I, to be more accurate, do not understand what it means in context. Does it have anything to do with verse 26? (“So if anyone tells you, ‘There he is, out in the desert,’ do not go out; or, ‘Here he is, in the inner rooms,’ do not believe it.” [skip] “Wherever there is a carcass, there the vultures will gather”)

I don’t know what is it referring to. Carcass possibly refers to death (possibly about the false Messiahs, because they lead to death), but what about vultures? Why not doves? What does it refer to? What is the meaning of the passage in context? What I also want to know is what to the vultures represent and why the “represented” is symbolized with a vulture and not with any other bird?

Thank you and God bless you! :heaven:
D-R Bible, Haydock Commentary:

Ver. 28. Wheresoever the body,[3] &c. This seems to have been a proverb or common saying among the Jews. Several of the ancient interpreters, by this body, understand Christ himself, who died for us; and they tell us, that at his second coming the angels and saints, like eagles, with incredible swiftness, will join him at the place of judgment. (Witham) — When he shall come to judgment, all, as it were by a natural instinct, shall fly to meet him, and receive their judgment. St. Hilary understands this literally; that where his body shall hang upon the cross, there will he appear in judgment, i.e. near the valley of Josaphat; in which place the prophet Joel (chap. iii. ver. 2,) declares, that the general judgment shall take place. (Tirinus)
 
Could it be, “Where ever there is someone who is spiritually dead, there the evil ones will ravage”.
Good guess, Worthy! I’d guess it’s an ancient idiom that means exactly what you suggest.

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I haven’t researched this, but I’ve seen a lot of vultures. In ordinary life, you see the vultures gather and deduce that there must be a carcass below (that is to say, you can conclude with accuracy that something has died, and where it is, by the circling vultures). So in this context I think it does connect with the “don’t be fooled” warnings - you’ll know when he returns - don’t be fooled by “secret” Messiahs . . . .
 
That line is also in Luke 17:37. There it is preceded by the question: Where Lord?
in reference to Jesus statement that on that night 2 would be grinding, one would
be taken, the other left. And 2 would be sleeping, one would be taken, the other left.
Here I think it is Jesus’ way of not answering. It is His way of not telling what “taken”
means. Does it mean taken in death, or taken to life? Do we leave this world to go
with Jesus as in Thessalonians, or does the “new jerusalem” come to us like in
Revelation?

You know, vultures even circle around when there is not yet a death, but a bad
injury, that will probably be deadly. I think when He mentions the vultures, it’s the
same as when He mentions the seasons, the weather, the fig tree. He says even
if we don’t know the exact day, we can still look at the signs we do know. I think
He is saying that we can see the sins which lead to death as clearly as we would
see vultures circling.
 
In context, Matthew 24 is speaking of the end of time, the day of Judgment of the Day of the Lord. Whichever way you want to say it.

it is the day when the Lord actually returns to this earth for the final gathering of those who came out of the great tribulation.

The great tribulation is a time of seperation. to seperate the wheat from the tares, or rather, those who will obey the law of God, the word of God, the bible, and those who will continue to rebel against God by not trusting in His word and having pride which is the cause of the fall of man, and instead trusts in there own doctrine rather than that of Gods, So the tribulation is a testing period, to seperate the wheat from the tares, those who come out of the great tribulation as a child of God, will be caught up on the day of Judgment,

The great tribulation preceeds the day of Judgment. The final day of Tribulatin co-incides with the day the Lord comes back, when there is no more gospel, when all those who are to be saved, will be saved.

During this day, though no physical eye will see Him, the signs of His comeing will be evedent. As evident as a lighting strick flashing in the sky.

Where for we will know that He has come.

The bible speaks of a great earthquake on that last day, This earthquake will throw open all the graves and all that remains of the dead will be tossed from the grave, (this is a final judgment) The saved dead will instantly have a glorified body, people will actually see this, the unsaved dead will just be thrown out of there graves as a great shame for all to see. :The worm dieth not. referes to shame. The worm, which is shame, dieth not, meaning the shame of being unsaved will be a judgment upon you forever and ever.

The saved alive during this day will instantly be caught up to be with Christ receiving a glorified body, all people alive during this time wil see this litterally happen, The spiritually dead who are alive, will see a few people here and there dissapear and recieve a glorified body, they will witness this and this will be a condemnation to those who are not saved.

The day of Judgment is according to the bible a period of 153 days, that is 5 months. So on that great and terrible day of Judgment, all the true believers, alive and dead will be caught up, this will all be seen by those who are alive. And then that is the end, no more gospel, God will withdrawl His hand, and there will be no more possiblility of salvation, Just like in Noah’s day when he preached and said that God says in “seven days” I will destroy the world, you have seven days to get into the ark, that is seven days to get into the safety of Christ, Because once those doors closed there is no more possiblity of salvation.

The day of Judgment is a period of 153 days in which all manner of death and plague and torment will continue on this earth as a final punishment to those who are unsaved. they will be in pain and suffer the knowledge the world will end, and that is a period of five months from the day the Lord comes and raptures the believers.

Rev 9:4 They were commanded not to harm the grass of the earth, or any green thing, or any tree, but only those men who do not have the seal of God on their foreheads.
Rev 9:5 And they were not given authority to kill them, but to torment them for five months. And their torment was like the torment of a scorpion when it strikes a man.
Rev 9:6 In those days men will seek death and will not find it; they will desire to die, and death will flee from them.

this is what it means as the lighting strikes, Because the result of the day of Judgment will be litterally happeneing to all those who remain. They wont see Christ in person, but they will see all the signs.

The vulture that feeds on the carcass is a picture of shame and judgment. On this great and terrible day of Judgment, there will be billions dead. Just imagine an earth with 7 billion people, and only a remnant of those are true believers, we are talking billions upon billions of death, millions of deaths daily, as the earthquake will destroy almost every sewage, building and throw open all the graves to toss out the dead for a great and final shame, there will be plagues and death at every tun. millions will die each day. millions will take there own lives, no body will be able to bury them, they will sit on the earth and stink and rot, and there the vulture will be to feed on the carcass, it is a great shame to have your dead carcass eaten or trampled under. and all the dead will litter the street, the stench will be horrible. the earth will shake and pressure will be released, any number of natural disaster may be a result of this earthquake, everything will be destroyed, the living dead will be in a spiritual darkness as the gospel will be withdrawn from the earth. and this will happen for 153 days, or five months, until God destroyes the universe and creates a new heaven and earth.
 
That was an interesting post Caanan. I can’t help thinking the people of Haiti
must feel like judgement day is already here. In one way, it is here, since we
will be judged on how we help them now…

Yes, in that way, judgement day is every day. We are all being judged right now.
God knows this instant what He thinks of us. He is not waiting for judgement day
to reveal it to Himself.

Have you come to discover the One True Church?
Come in, and bring whatever truth God has given you into the church.
Flutter outside no longer. The gates of hell will not prevail against it.
Jesus has spoken.
 
The military standard of the Roman empire is the eagle. In the OT, the eagle (also translated vulture) symbolized pagan nations who brought suffering upon Isreal.

**"The LORD will raise up against you a nation from afar, from the end of the earth, that swoops down like an eagle, a nation whose tongue you do not understand (Deut 28:49)

Swifter than leopards are his horses, and keener than wolves at evening. His horses prance, his horsemen come from afar: They fly like the eagle hastening to devour; each comes for the rapine, Their combined onset is that of a stormwind that heaps up captives like sand. (Hos 1:8-9)**

In the case of (Mt 24:28), the Lord is saying the scavangers (Romans) are going to eat the remains of a carcass (Jerusalem) in 70 A.D, which is God’s judgment on the city.
 
Interesting. Thank you! If you have any more opinions, I believe you are free to post them, since there is not one correct answer, but many. Since part of the answers are subjective, I’d like more opinions.

Again, thank you!
 
From the Douay-Rheims bible, with Bishop Challoner’s notes:
28 Wheresoever the body shall be, there shall the eagles also be gathered together. 29 And immediately after the tribulation of those days, the sun shall be darkened and the moon shall not give her light, and the stars shall fall from heaven, and the powers of heaven shall be moved: 30 And then shall appear the sign of the Son of man in heaven: and then shall all tribes of the earth mourn: and they shall see the Son of man coming in the clouds of heaven with much power and majesty.
28 “Wheresoever”… The coming of Christ shall be sudden, and manifest to all the world, like lightning: and wheresoever he shall come, thither shall all mankind be gathered to him, as eagles are gathered about a dead body.
KJV Translates this similarly:
{24:28} For wheresoever the carcase is, there will the
eagles be gathered together.
{24:29} Immediately after the tribulation of those days
shall the sun be darkened, and the moon shall not give her
light, and the stars shall fall from heaven, and the powers of
the heavens shall be shaken: {24:30} And then shall appear
the sign of the Son of man in heaven: and then shall all the
tribes of the earth mourn, and they shall see the Son of man
coming in the clouds of heaven with power and great glory.
 
Matt 24:15-28 is talking about the end times, as evident by Jesus referring to Daniel.

If you really want to understand this verse, then I suggest reading “Trial, Tribulation, & Triumph: Before, During, and After Antichrist” by Desmond Birch. Really great book and it opened my eyes to how important Tradition is to the Church. He wrote it around 1995 in order to show people that 2000 was not the end of the world. Ironically enough, I just read it and can safely say that 2012 is also not the end 😉
 
The desolating sacralege Daniel spoke of was the desecration of Antiochus who burned Jerusalem and plundered the Temple. Jesus draws from this to announce the Temple’s total destruction and desecration by the Romans.

Jesus commands them to flee to the mountains because God’s judgment will be as swift as lightening coming from the east to the west. In addition to the eagle imagery, Jesus uses the depiction of heavenly chaos used by the OT prophets to predict the downfall of pagan kingdoms. In other words, Jesus is saying the kingdom of Old Covenant Israel will be devastated for corrupting itself like the pagans and for rejecting Him.
 
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