Matthew 28:19 A Forgery?

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I was talking to a friend who is a Pentacostal Oneness believer (they deny the Trinity) and he made the claim that the earliest manuscripts of Matthew that we have today do not have the Trinitarian Baptism Formula in them. Does anyone know if this is true or not?

I am not asking for help defending the Trinity or what other scripture passages say about the Trinity or even what the fathers have to say, I am interested in rebutting this one, solitary, very specific point.

So does anybody know if the earliest manuscripts that we have today in fact do have the Trinitarian Baptism Formula or is text missing? I don’t even know what the earliest manuscripts are called so in your response if you could call out what manuscripts have the formula and which don’t along with estimated dates of composition, I will be most grateful.
 
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bigdawg:
I was talking to a friend who is a Pentacostal Oneness believer (they deny the Trinity) and he made the claim that the earliest manuscripts of Matthew that we have today do not have the Trinitarian Baptism Formula in them. Does anyone know if this is true or not?

I am not asking for help defending the Trinity or what other scripture passages say about the Trinity or even what the fathers have to say, I am interested in rebutting this one, solitary, very specific point.

So does anybody know if the earliest manuscripts that we have today in fact do have the Trinitarian Baptism Formula or is text missing? I don’t even know what the earliest manuscripts are called so in your response if you could call out what manuscripts have the formula and which don’t along with estimated dates of composition, I will be most grateful.
He needs to provide actual, peer-reviewed scholarly evidence that there is forgery rather than merely stating it and expecting you to go out and make his case for him. I am unaware of any serious work making this claim.

Scott
 
That’s interesting,

I’ve never heard that. Leave it up to the Onenesses and the JW’s and similar to bring up the most unique objections.

So, I looked a little, and here is one good article that will support what your Oneness friend is saying, in fact, you will probably know what he believes better than he does after reading this article:

dimensionsoftruth.org/great_commision.htm

And here’s another one, I didn’t read this one, it’s more about historical criticism. I’d like to read it, it’s 15 pages, but my Adobe kept shutting down! Here’s the link:

http://www.tms.edu/tmsj/tmsj11c.pdf


Sorry, didn’t come across anything that would help you or I in defending our beliefs. But I don’t take that to mean that ours are wrong, unless that second one does somehow…? Didn’t read enough to tell.
We do need to “know our enemy” and that includes knowing his arguments. And your Oneness friend’s arguments too.

Rob
 
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bigdawg:
I was talking to a friend who is a Pentacostal Oneness believer (they deny the Trinity) and he made the claim that the earliest manuscripts of Matthew that we have today do not have the Trinitarian Baptism Formula in them. Does anyone know if this is true or not?

I am not asking for help defending the Trinity or what other scripture passages say about the Trinity or even what the fathers have to say, I am interested in rebutting this one, solitary, very specific point.

So does anybody know if the earliest manuscripts that we have today in fact do have the Trinitarian Baptism Formula or is text missing? I don’t even know what the earliest manuscripts are called so in your response if you could call out what manuscripts have the formula and which don’t along with estimated dates of composition, I will be most grateful.
 
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bigdawg:
I was talking to a friend who is a Pentacostal Oneness believer (they deny the Trinity) and he made the claim that the earliest manuscripts of Matthew that we have today do not have the Trinitarian Baptism Formula in them. Does anyone know if this is true or not?

I am not asking for help defending the Trinity or what other scripture passages say about the Trinity or even what the fathers have to say, I am interested in rebutting this one, solitary, very specific point.

So does anybody know if the earliest manuscripts that we have today in fact do have the Trinitarian Baptism Formula or is text missing? I don’t even know what the earliest manuscripts are called so in your response if you could call out what manuscripts have the formula and which don’t along with estimated dates of composition, I will be most grateful.
look up Gen ch 1 :26 (Let US make man in our image .)
 
Reformed Rob:
That’s interesting,

I’ve never heard that. Leave it up to the Onenesses and the JW’s and similar to bring up the most unique objections.

So, I looked a little, and here is one good article that will support what your Oneness friend is saying, in fact, you will probably know what he believes better than he does after reading this article:

dimensionsoftruth.org/great_commision.htm

And here’s another one, I didn’t read this one, it’s more about historical criticism. I’d like to read it, it’s 15 pages, but my Adobe kept shutting down! Here’s the link:

http://www.tms.edu/tmsj/tmsj11c.pdf


Sorry, didn’t come across anything that would help you or I in defending our beliefs. But I don’t take that to mean that ours are wrong, unless that second one does somehow…? Didn’t read enough to tell.
We do need to “know our enemy” and that includes knowing his arguments. And your Oneness friend’s arguments too.

Rob
I’d really like to see this message transferred over to the “Ask an Apologist” forum due to its seriousness. Any chance of that?
nianka
 
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nianka:
I’d really like to see this message transferred over to the “Ask an Apologist” forum due to its seriousness. Any chance of that?
nianka
I will give it a try.
 
I have a Greek New Testament here, given to me when I was in college.

This book gives the Greek text according to very modern scholarship (Nestle-Aland text 26th edition), and underneath the text gives ALL variant readings and the different manuscripts you can find them in.

The readings in the Greek are rated from A to D - basically A means “absolutely sure” and D means “dicey”, though they don’t stand for that.

If there are no alternative readings, that particular text is given an A rating. If there’s a lot of doubt it is given a D rating. In one passage we studied at college it was completely uncertain whether Jesus crossed over to the land of the Gerasenes, Gadarenes or Gergasenes so that had a D rating. (Can’t remember any others, it was a few years ago).

Of course, textual criticism isn’t a totally exact science and scholars can’t say that the current text is perfect, but since this Greek Testament gives ALL the alternatives we can see most of it with certainty, most of the rest with near certainty, and a tiny fraction with less certainty - but all the options are given.

What one of the articles says about dating of the manuscripts is true in part - but very bad history and very bad scholarship, twisting evidence to prove a point. For more information on that see this link, in the section on matter and form of the Sacrament.

newadvent.org/cathen/02258b.htm

The article would have us believe that this trinitarian formular is a really late corruption. But there it is in Tertullian, Justin Martyr and others. This article on baptism is long, sometimes a little complex - but it is fantastic.

Anyway, that’s the background. Let’s get on to Matthew 28:19.

There are NO alternative readings given for manuscripts for this verse.

To give you an idea of how exact the testament is, it has a variant reading for verse 20. Some manuscripts add the word “amen” on the end. The testament lists all the early and important manuscripts that do and don’t include “amen”.

There, that’s the textual viewpoint - ALL manuscripts give a trinitarian formula in Mt28:19. There has not been a forgery.

However, the first of the articles linked to points out that in the book of Acts people baptised “in the name of Jesus”. I’m not sure of an answer as to why, but here’s a grammatical attempt, covering the verses the article refers to.

In Mt28:19 the call is to baptise IN (Greek - EIS) the name…

In Acts 2:38 people are baptised IN (Greek - EPI) the name…

This is something different. Basically grammatically to be baptised IN (EIS) the name of is to be baptised by the authority of. To be baptised IN (EPI) is to be baptised for him and his service.

These are entirely different things, and the second doesn’t mean that a trinitarian formula baptising by trinitarian authority wouldn’t have been used. The people being baptised were all Jews. They were baptised for Jesus - which wouldn’t exactly have been approved of by the religious leaders - and this is the point that Luke brings out in this verse.

Acts 10:48 has another word for IN - the Greek is EN. Here the emphasis is on public profession of faith and belief in Christ as saviour and sovereign. Again this does not rule out the trinitarian formular being used for baptism - but stresses something else important to Catholics.

Acts 22:16 quoted by that article makes no mention of baptismal formulas, just says we should be baptised and tells us to call on the name of the Lord. Which we do during the course of any catholic baptismal service.

1Cor1:12-15 makes no mention of baptismal formulae except to say that we should avoid baptising in the name of Paul (or whoever) or thinking of ourselves baptised in that name.

1Co6:11 - again no mention of baptismal formula.

Rom6:3 and Gal3:27 are quoted too which use the word “eis” - we were baptised EIS (into) Jesus Christ. But this again has nothing to do with baptismal formulae, and every Catholic would agree that we were baptised into Christ (see for example CCC1227)

Now, in Acts 8:16, and Acts 19:5 we see people baptised “in the name of the Lord Jesus”. The Greek word here for IN is EIS. These two verses prove the biggest problems to me in unravelling the meaning and grammar. For both say baptised in (eis) the name of the Lord Jesus.

However, in Acts19:15 the baptism in Jesus’ name seems to be not a formula, per se, but a contrast to the baptism of John. In Acts8 they have been baptised in the name of Jesus - but have not received the Holy Spirit so there must be something awry. I think I need to think a bit more about that one.

Actually the newadvent link I’ve posted says a lot about this, including the history, grammar and everything else. But I only thought of the article a moment ago so some of what I’ve typed will be duplicated there.

My apologies that this answer is so long. I was just going to put in the textual evidence but then clicked on the dimensions of truth link and got carried away. That website is run by a man who sounds very interesting - read the story about his death & resurrection and see what you think.

Anyway, I hope some of what I’ve typed will be useful. Or failing that that the newadvent site will be useful.
 
Hey Asteroid,

I appreciate your reply. When my friend and I were discussing this I happened to have my Jurgens “Faith of the Fathers” (or at least I think that is the title) and showed him that writings as early as the Didache quoted or referenced the Trinitarian Baptism formula and I went on to show that the Council of Carthage also made use of the formula. So I have no doubts about this and I would think that considering that fact that throughout the early history of the church references were made to Matthew 28:19 and the Trinitarian Baptism Formula would lead anyone reasonable person to conclude that Matthew 28:19 is not a forgery or later addition.

While I have access to the writings of the fathers, I don’t have anyway, by myself, to address the textual criticism or historical criticism or whatever it’s called.

Thanks for your response.
 
Here’s the thing. No one in the Bible was baptised using the formula from Matthew 28:19. All were baptised in the name of Jesus. So either it is recorded wrong in Matthew 28:19, or the disciples (Peter) interpretated it to mean the name of Jesus (Acts 2:38), or they all ignored Jesus’ command to baptise in Father Son and Holy Ghost. All through the Bible the batism formula is the same and stayed that way until the 3rd century. It is quoted by Eusebius of Caesarea the church librarian. Some 17 times in his works prior to Nicea, Eusebius quotes Matthew 28:19 as “Go and make disciples of all nations in my name” without mentioning the Trinity baptism command. In his writings after the council of Nicea, the traditional form including the Trinity baptism formula is found 5 times, although most of these are not above question.

Father Son and Holy Ghost are titles. You may be a father, a son, a husband but that is not your name. God is all of these titles (Father, Son and Holy Ghost) but that is not His name. There is no other name under heaven given among men whereby ye must be saved. It is the name of Jesus that you identify with when you are buried in baptism and raised to newness of life. As Romans 6:3 says "Know ye not, that so many of us as were baptized **into Jesus Christ **were baptized into his death.

I am looking for another good article on this and will post it when I find it. I was raised Trinitarian and 3 years ago was rebaptised in Jesus’ name.

godglorified.com/matthew_2819.htm
another article
 
Here’s the thing. No one in the Bible was baptised using the formula from Matthew 28:19. All were baptised in the name of Jesus. So either it is recorded wrong in Matthew 28:19, or the disciples (Peter) interpretated it to mean the name of Jesus (Acts 2:38), or they all ignored Jesus’ command to baptise in Father Son and Holy Ghost. All through the Bible the batism formula is the same and stayed that way until the 3rd century. It is quoted by Eusebius of Caesarea the church librarian. Some 17 times in his works prior to Nicea, Eusebius quotes Matthew 28:19 as “Go and make disciples of all nations in my name” without mentioning the Trinity baptism command. In his writings after the council of Nicea, the traditional form including the Trinity baptism formula is found 5 times, although most of these are not above question.

Father Son and Holy Ghost are titles. You may be a father, a son, a husband but that is not your name. God is all of these titles (Father, Son and Holy Ghost) but that is not His name. There is no other name under heaven given among men whereby ye must be saved. It is the name of Jesus that you identify with when you are buried in baptism and raised to newness of life. As Romans 6:3 says "Know ye not, that so many of us as were baptized **into Jesus Christ **were baptized into his death.

I am looking for another good article on this and will post it when I find it. I was raised Trinitarian and 3 years ago was rebaptised in Jesus’ name.

godglorified.com/matthew_2819.htm
another article
This is quite a necro-post.

So when Jesus refers to the Father as a completely different Person, and says He was sent by the Father, is He just being schizophrenic, or what? When He prays to the Father in the garden, is He just talking to Himself? When He says that He’ll sit at the right hand of the Father, will He just have two chairs He switches back and forth from? And what of the Didache, that speaks of Trinitarian baptism? That was around 70 AD.

You might have to work on your theology, my friend. History, Tradition, and Scripture are not on its side.
 
Two considerations: First, in all manuscripts, “name” is in the singular. Second, it is not some magic formula like abracadabra, but it carries the connotation of reputation, like Mercedes has a good name for making cars.
As the New American Bible notes, this is the clearest formulation of the Trinity in the whole of the New Testament. Failure to attack this verse then throws the entire Oneness argument into a cocked hat.
 
My thoughts on this: The Didache. Most scholars place the Didache at some point during the mid to late first century.
What does the Didache teach us?
Let’s take a read annomundi.com/bible/didache.pdf
  1. But concerning baptism, thus shall ye baptize. Having first recited all these things,
    baptize in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit in living
    (running) water. But if thou hast not living water, then baptize in other water; and if thou
    art not able in cold, then in warm. But if thou hast neither, then pour water on the head
    thrice in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spiri
    t. But before the baptism let him that baptizeth and him that is baptized fast, and any others also who are able; and
    thou shalt order him that is baptized to fast a day or two before.
Since the Didache was written in the First Century, that means the Doctrine of the Trinity existed at a very early stage in the Christianity, thus supporting the authenticity of Matthew 28:19.
 
AFAIK the relevant phrase appears in all extant manuscripts of Matthew, as said earlier in this thread. Anyone trying to make the claim that this is a forgery would have to say that the ‘forger’ in this case is Matthew. 🤷
 
AFAIK the relevant phrase appears in all extant manuscripts of Matthew, as said earlier in this thread. Anyone trying to make the claim that this is a forgery would have to say that the ‘forger’ in this case is Matthew. 🤷
Absolutely, there’s that, too!
 
As someone already pointed out, the “name” in Matthew 28:19 is a singular word. There is one name only. But take the whole verse out of the conversation for a moment and read the rest of the Bible.
Are you able to look at all of the examples of Baptism and explain why the disciples baptized EVERY ONE of them incorrectly (according to your interpretation of Matthew 28:19)?
 
He needs to provide actual, peer-reviewed scholarly evidence that there is forgery rather than merely stating it and expecting you to go out and make his case for him. I am unaware of any serious work making this claim.

Scott
Exactly! Claims like that are made and are only effective when someone is unable to know where or how to look to verify it. Bigdawg did the right thing by bringing it to the forum! When someone from the Oneness sects try to say that to me, I will ask them to sit down with me and we will break open the Greek NT and my other textual critical reference material and look at the variant readings together. If they are right then I will consider their position, if I’m right then I expect them to consider my Catholic position!👍
 
By the way, I have just looked in my Greek manuscript edition by the late Reubon Swanson and have compared the readings, and there here are the actual variant readings which only differ in spelling, and one manuscript (Codex Bezae) only omits the article tou

Here are the variant readings among the earliest manuscripts, I have underlined the area that is a variant.

Washington Freer Gospels 5th century
Sinaiticus 4th century
Alexandrinus 5th century
Ephremi Rescriptus 6th century

βαπτιζοντες αυτους εις το ονομα του πατρος και του υιου και του αγιου πνευματος

Codex Bezae 5th century
βαπτιζαντες αυτους εις το ονομα του πατρος και υιου και του αγιου πνευματος

Codex Vaticanus 4th century
βαπτιζαντες αυτους εις το ονομα του πατρος και του υιου και του αγιου πνευματος

Manuscript Θ 9th century
βαπτιζωντες αυτους εις το ονομα του πατρος και του υιου και του αγιου πνευματος
 
The Catholic Encyclopedia, II, page 263:
“The baptismal formula was changed from the name of Jesus Christ to the words Father, Son, and Holy Spirit by the Catholic Church in the second century.”

The Tyndale New Testament Commentaries, I, 275:
“It is often affirmed that the words in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost are not the ipsissima verba [exact words] of Jesus, but…a later liturgical addition.”

The Encyclopedia of Religion and Ethics:
As to Matthew 28:19, it says: It is the central piece of evidence for the traditional (Trinitarian) view. If it were undisputed, this would, of course, be decisive, but its trustworthiness is impugned on grounds of textual criticism, literary criticism and historical criticism. The same Encyclopedia further states that: “The obvious explanation of the silence of the New Testament on the triune name, and the use of another (JESUS NAME) formula in Acts and Paul, is that this other formula was the earlier, and the triune formula is a later addition.”

The Jerusalem Bible, a scholarly Catholic work, states:
“It may be that this formula, (Triune Matthew 28:19) so far as the fullness of its expression is concerned, is a reflection of the (Man-made) liturgical usage established later in the primitive (Catholic) community. It will be remembered that Acts speaks of baptizing “in the name of Jesus,”…”

The International Standard Bible Encyclopedia, Vol. 4, page 2637, Under “Baptism,” says:
“Matthew 28:19 in particular only canonizes a later ecclesiastical situation, that its universalism is contrary to the facts of early Christian history, and its Trinitarian formula (is) foreign to the mouth of Jesus.”

Doctrine and Practice in the Early Church:
By Dr. Stuart G. Hall 1992, pages 20 and 21. Professor Stuart G. Hall was the former Chair of Ecclesiastical History at King’s College, London England. Dr. Hall makes the factual statement that Catholic Trinitarian Baptism was not the original form of Christian Baptism, rather the original was Jesus name baptism. “In the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit,” although those words were not used, as they later are, as a formula. Not all baptisms fitted this rule." Dr Hall further, states: “More common and perhaps more ancient was the simple, “In the name of the Lord Jesus or, Jesus Christ.” This practice was known among Marcionites and Orthodox; it is certainly the subject of controversy in Rome and Africa about 254, as the anonymous tract De rebaptismate (“On rebaptism”) shows.”

A History of The Christian Church:
1953 by Williston Walker former Professor of Ecclesiastical History at Yale University. On page 95 we see the historical facts again declared. “With the early disciples generally baptism was “in the name of Jesus Christ.” There is no mention of baptism in the name of the Trinity in the New Testament, except in the command attributed to Christ in Matthew 28:19. That text is early, (but not the original) however. It underlies the Apostles’ Creed, and the practice recorded (*or interpolated) in the Teaching, (or the Didache) and by Justin. The Christian leaders of the third century retained the recognition of the earlier form, and, in Rome at least, baptism in the name of Christ was deemed valid, if irregular, certainly from the time of Bishop Stephen (254-257).”

On page 61 Professor and Church historian Walker, reviles the true origin and purpose of Matthew 28:19. This Text is the first man-made Roman Catholic Creed that was the prototype for the later Apocryphal Apostles’ Creed. Matthew 28:19 was invented along with the Apocryphal Apostles’ Creed to counter so-called heretics and Gnostics that baptized in the name of Jesus Christ! Marcion although somewhat mixed up in some of his doctrine still baptized his converts the Biblical way in the name of Jesus Christ. Matthew 28:19 is the first non-Biblical Roman Catholic Creed! The spurious Catholic text of Matthew 28:19 was invented to support the newer triune, Trinity doctrine. Therefore, Matthew 28:19 is not the “Great Commission of Jesus Christ.” Matthew 28:19 is the great Catholic hoax! Acts 2:38, Luke 24:47, and 1 Corinthians 6:11 give us the ancient original words and teaching of Yeshua/Jesus! Is it not also strange that Matthew 28:19 is missing from the old manuscripts of Sinaiticus, Curetonianus and Bobiensis?

Catholic Cardinal Joseph Ratzinger:
He makes this confession as to the origin of the chief Trinity text of Matthew 28:19. “The basic form of our (Matthew 28:19 Trinitarian) profession of faith took shape during the course of the second and third centuries in connection with the ceremony of baptism. So far as its place of origin is concerned, the text (Matthew 28:19) came from the city of Rome.” The Trinity baptism and text of Matthew 28:19 therefore did not originate from the original Church that started in Jerusalem around AD 33. It was rather as the evidence proves a later invention of Roman Catholicism completely fabricated. Very few know about these historical facts.

“The Demonstratio Evangelica” by Eusebius:
Eusebius was the Church historian and Bishop of Caesarea. On page 152 Eusebius quotes the early book of Matthew that he had in his library in Caesarea. According to this eyewitness of an unaltered Book of Matthew that could have been the original book or the first copy of the original of Matthew. Eusebius informs us of Jesus’ actual words to his disciples in the original text of Matthew 28:19: "With one word and voice He said to His disciples: “Go, and make disciples of all nations in My Name, teaching them to observe all things whatsover I have commanded you.” That “Name” is Jesus.

onenesspentecostal.com/matt2819-willis.htm . . . if you are interested in more quotes.
 
BRITANICA ENCYCLO. – The baptismal formula was changed from the name of Jesus Christ to the words Father, Son & Holy Ghost by Catholic Church in the second century. 11th Edition, Vol 3, page 365-366.

BRITANICA ENCYCLO. – Everywhere in the oldest sources it states that baptism took place in the name of Jesus Christ. Vol. 3, page 82.

CANNEY ENCYCLO. OF REL. – The early church always baptized in the name of the Lord Jesus until development of Trinity Doctrine in 2nd century. Page 53.

CATHOLIC ENCYCLO. – Here the Catholics acknowledged that baptism was changed by the Catholic Church. Vol. 2, Page 263.

HASTINGS ENCYCLO. OF REL. – Christian Baptism was administered using the words, “IN THE NAME OF JESUS.” Vol. 2, Page 377.
The use of a Trinitarian formula of any sort was not suggested in early Church History. Vol. 2, Page 378.
Baptism was always in name of the Lord Jesus until time of Justin Martyr when Triune formula used. Vol. 2, Page 389.
 
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