May 10, 2008 - Youth Gay Pride Parade in Boston

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May 14 - Hearing in MA on whether to spend $750,000.00 in 2009 for homosexual activism.A video of the kids attacking the photographers will be posted shortly.

The kids were given these hardcore sexual propaganda handouts:
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* "History of Saints Servius and Bacchus", handed out by a   man dressed as a Catholic priest, claiming that these two Catholic saints were actually homosexual lovers.
   
* "Catholic Theological Defense of Same-sex Marriage" pamphlet which states that there is "no moral right to declare marriage off limits to persons whom God has made gay" and that the Pope "is definitely wrong and he will be corrected some day by one of his successors." (Also handed out by the abovementioned "priest".)
   
* "Reading the Bible with New Eyes" - a pamphlet that portrays Jesus as having had a homosexual affair with Lazarus and Mary as a lesbian. It also describes the Book of Acts as "defining a lesbian and gay 'nation'". It also states that Jesus "was a functional, if not physical, eunuch."
   
* "Queer Spirituality" A booklet from a "church" describing how homosexuality is a spiritual experience that "opens us up to God."

“Out and Proud - Coming out to your Parents” A how-to guide for kids to explain to their parents that they are now homosexuals.​

“Boston Gay & Lesbian Film / Video Festival” A pamphlet inviting the kids to a homosexual film festival, showing photos of (among other things) men in bed with each other and women kissing.​

“Tips for organizing on high school / college campuses on transgender issues” How to push cross-dressing and transgenderism at schools. Includes a section on “Transgender Students Use of Bathrooms and Locker Rooms.”​

 
Nice, it is good to see similar people getting mutual support and if you look at the pictures, you can see they are normal people just like the rest of us. :cool: 👍
 
Nice, it is good to see similar people getting mutual support and if you look at the pictures, you can see they are normal people just like the rest of us. :cool: 👍
massresistance.org/docs/gen/08a/born_gay_hoax/smith_0329/index.html

But again, their behavior is not. They shut down this speaker because they disagree with him. I say it’s time to shut them down. The republicans should have fought them and gave the police something to do. Notice, it was mostly women too. Well they were the most disruptive and vocal anyway. This is why they shouldn’t vote. I would have been cracking skulls. As I have been saying, my side has no nads at all.

I guess it is ok for them to silence free speech, dissent, and discriminate, huh? I say it’s time to take the gloves off.

I am so outraged right now, I am shaking. I know you are loving that fact, but keep in mind this is festering outrage, so don’t laugh too hard.
 
massresistance.org/docs/gen/08a/born_gay_hoax/smith_0329/index.html

But again, their behavior is not. They shut down this speaker because they disagree with him. I say it’s time to shut them down. The republicans should have fought them and gave the police something to do. Notice, it was mostly women too. Well they were the most disruptive and vocal anyway. This is why they shouldn’t vote. I would have been cracking skulls. As I have been saying, my side has no nads at all.

I guess it is ok for them to silence free speech, dissent, and discriminate, huh? I say it’s time to take the gloves off.

I am so outraged right now, I am shaking. I know you are loving that fact, but keep in mind this is festering outrage, so don’t laugh too hard.
Why are you advocating physical violence against ideas you disagree with? Do you really dislike them that much?
 
Why are you advocating physical violence against ideas you disagree with? Do you really dislike them that much?
They used physical tactics to shut up a guy who they disagree with. How else are you supposed to be able to speak your mind other than removing them from the platform? See, from my perspective, which I know you disagree, these tactics that they use are working and have worked in the past. They are gaining ground using those tactics. Again, I know you see that as a good thing, but hear me out. From my perspective, that means that mine and others ideology is losing. How else are we suppose to be able to speak if they are using mass numbers to silence us and push their agenda forward? It is time to fight fire with fire, or, to just forget all about it, and not give a **** about anything.

Yeah, I dislike them and their methods, and it is not limited to the gays, but to Liberalism in general. I could care less what the gays do in their own place, but they need to keep their mitts off of something that is very traditional, was not meant for everybody, and does not belong to them. IE gay marriage, which they WILL end up getting unless my side shows some spine. The more accpetable their behavior becomes, the closer we are to gay marriage.

And they(Liberalism) accomplish their agenda, by going at it little by litte. For example:(and it’s minor) In the 30’s, it was “Frankly my dear, I don’t give a damn” In the 000"s, it is “Well, you F’n name it b itch.”

Music went from pleasant to F the Police. Drugs were used in the past, sure, but society frowned upon it, today, it is much more acceptable. Today, divorce is like a right of passage. Even for reasons not pertaining to infidelity and/or abuse.

Most of those examples, not all but most and many more, began to change in the 60’s. There was no nudity or horrible cursing in movies or TV or music prior to the 60’s, but after the 60’s LOL it went crazy!

I simply want society to be defined, calm, respectful, peaceful, and morally decent. Don’t laugh! LOL I do. But I see no other way other than taking the gloves off. And yes, I know that the world wasn’t perfect in the past, I know that. But it was rather limited, as opposed to today, where almost everyone has been affected negatively by Liberalism in one way or another, while a few have been affected positively. EX: Women can vote, but children see sex on TV. We have rape awarness, and children learn what a H#$D ON is from a teacher. (Does that make sense?)

And sure, many do not see what I see, because they are not making a 60 year side by side comparrison. In other words, they have been raised in their world, and know nothing but their world, so that is considered normal to them. Example: Would gay marriage have even be considered 60 years ago?

I am also sick of the hypocricy they show. They are supposed to be tolerant and compassionate? But then they pull this act of silenceing a dissenter? And it is not the first or only time, it happens ALL THE TIME! And when it happens that much, it is no longer hypocricy, it is now a lie. And yes, that outrages me big time.
 
Leftisdestroye…Woah buddy.

Calm down. People are allowed to assmble and talk about their ideas. If they want to promote tolerance and understanding through a youth gay parade, that is theit choice. If the parents had a problem with it, they could keep their children home.

Your comment about mass numbers silencing the right wing…do you realize how much larger the religious right is than those who promote equal rights for GLBT? If they are doing a better job of convincing everyone that their views are the more proper–blame the right wing. More and more youth are growing tolerant of GLBT. Perhaps it is because their ideology is the correct one(as I believe). However, as it is America, everyone should be able to, and usually are, speak their mind.

First off, your suggestion of violence is misplaced. If I am misinterpreting you, I apologize.

Secondly, marriage is not a christian tradition–it is from far before the rise of christianity. The morals of christianity alone have no sway in the permissibility of marriage as marriage was not a christian invention.

Freedom of Speech. you are allowed to say gays are an abomination, they are allowed to say the religious right are intolerant bigots. Freedom of speech. They can say mostly anything they want. Do not listen to rap if you do not like it.

You are allowed to try to work for changes in society–but so is everyone else. Also, your version of morality, decency, etc may not be the norm.

You rant towards the end and I lost thread of the argument.

Best,
Matt
 
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Calm down. People are allowed to assmble and talk about their ideas. If they want to promote tolerance and understanding through a youth gay parade, that is theit choice. If the parents had a problem with it, they could keep their children home.
I was not refering to the parade. I was refering to the video link I posted, where in fact, the right WAS silenced. Did you happen to see the video? And, their are consequences to public speech.
Your comment about mass numbers silencing the right wing…do you realize how much larger the religious right is than those who promote equal rights for GLBT?
From what I have seen on this site, it appears that the religious right is smaller than you think. They may be religious, but they certainly are not on the right.
If they are doing a better job of convincing everyone that their views are the more proper–blame the right wing.
Sure, if you consider indoctrination “convincing”.
More and more youth are growing tolerant of GLBT. Perhaps it is because their ideology is the correct one(as I believe).
They are youth. Remeber: Don’t trust anyone over 30? This tolerance begins in schools, where they are taught it. Or where the government steps in and demands it. Protected freedom for only one side, huh?
However, as it is America, everyone should be able to, and usually are, speak their mind.
Well, I disagree to a point with that. The first amendment applies to the government and the people. Not neccessarily between the people and the people. As far as that is concerned, their are consequences to unlimited free speech. You can’t yell fire in a crowded theater and if some speech royaly pisses someone off, then conflict can be expected.
First off, your suggestion of violence is misplaced. If I am misinterpreting you, I apologize.
In the video, when those girls stormed the speaker, those in the audiance should have stepped up and removed them. A fight, would have been instigated by those who sought to silence the speaker.
Secondly, marriage is not a christian tradition–it is from far before the rise of christianity. The morals of christianity alone have no sway in the permissibility of marriage as marriage was not a christian invention.
And where did I say it was?
Freedom of Speech. you are allowed to say gays are an abomination, they are allowed to say the religious right are intolerant bigots. Freedom of speech. They can say mostly anything they want. Do not listen to rap if you do not like it.
You missed the point entirely.
You are allowed to try to work for changes in society–but so is everyone else.
And I am allowed to resist those changes.
Also, your version of morality, decency, etc may not be the norm.
Just like their isn’t. And now we have a problem. But I am not in schools, because we are not allowed in them, indoctrinating children with a one sided view. Schools should not be in the business of social engineering.
You rant towards the end and I lost thread of the argument.
I explained some points to NewUlm1976_2000 on my views on Liberalism. It has come up before between us. But nice to see that because you disagree, it is considered a rant.
 
Okay, the right was silenced. That is bad. It is not a one sided occurrence though. Recently a Catholic school canceled a speaker who was promoting gay rights.
Sure there are consequences to public speech…thats why everyone can speak.
There are a few limits on freedom of speech, mainly when it engenders or promotes violence–which does not cover this.
You cannot assume these forums are a microcosm for the USA.
So? You are allowed to say homosexuals are evil as much as you want to youth–thats indoctrinating them to your view. GLBT folk can do the same.
You are allowed to condemn homosexuals as much as you want. Keep in mind that GLBT supporters can condemn you as old-fashioned and bigoted as well–the wonders of free speech.

I believe I got your point–you are saying you find a lot of the world today, be it the language, pda, your perception of a lack of common morality, etc. If you don’t like it, try to actually change it–or ignore or accept it…those are your only options.

You said marriage was traditional and implied it was traditional through christianity in your second paragraph. I was simply refuting it.

Yes, you are allowed to resist those changes, and others can keep trying to change.

I fail to see the problem, in my perception. You seem to think it is a problem because it does not conform to your morality–that does not make it a problem.

Schools are promoting a safe learning enviroment and engendering trust, cooperation, kindness, and tolerance through programs such as this. I see no evidence of indoctrination, or at least no more than the attempts of the religious masses.

It was a rant–I call it like I see it. Sure, liberalism and the GLBT supporters arent perfect–but most certainly niether are conservatives of the religious. I do disagree with you, but the last part was a rant of what you dislike.

Best,
Matt
 
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I was not refering to the parade. I was refering to the video link I posted, where in fact, the right WAS silenced. Did you happen to see the video? And, their are consequences to public speech.
That incident took place at a private university. They can have/not have/stop/kick anyone out they want if they decide otherwise, even in the middle of a speech.
 
That incident took place at a private university. They can have/not have/stop/kick anyone out they want if they decide otherwise, even in the middle of a speech.
The school administrators did not kick them out, average kids did.
 
The school administrators did not kick them out, average kids did.
In a sense, yes. According to Smith College president Carol T. Christ:
The decision to halt his presentation was made jointly by public safety, student affairs and the Republican club leadership. There were serious concerns about overcrowding, audience and speaker safety, and facility damage. On a pragmatic level, after about 10 minutes the speaker could not be heard.
smith.edu/president/letters/043008.html

School officials did ask Sorba to leave, but their request was prompted by the behavior of the protestors.
 
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Okay, the right was silenced. That is bad. It is not a one sided occurrence though. Recently a Catholic school canceled a speaker who was promoting gay rights.
But that Catholic school, they are presumably not recieving government funds. The school in the video, Smith College, DID. Now, if a teacher cannot say a prayer in class because she gets paid through the government, and is considered an “agent” of the government, dosen’t that mean that at Smith College, the government prohibited free speech? YES it does.
Sure there are consequences to public speech…thats why everyone can speak.
Funny how those girls in the video mangaed to silence this guy using “free speech”. I say, he has the right as did everyone in that room, to force them out.
There are a few limits on freedom of speech, mainly when it engenders or promotes violence–which does not cover this.
Where in the Constitution does it say that such a limit exists? See, you are mis interpretingthe first amendment. It has to do with the government not silencing the people. We have every right to fight back against people silencing people. I have my side and they have theirs. Where I come from, both sides yelling at each other, eventually leads to a fight.
So? You are allowed to say homosexuals are evil as much as you want to youth–thats indoctrinating them to your view. GLBT folk can do the same. You are allowed to condemn homosexuals as much as you want. Keep in mind that GLBT supporters can condemn you as old-fashioned and bigoted as well–the wonders of free speech.
Yeah, but we are not using publicly funded schools and platforms aimed at impressionable kids. Religious people of any kind of authority, are not allowed in schools. So much for “free speech”.
You said marriage was traditional and implied it was traditional through christianity in your second paragraph. I was simply refuting it.
I made no such implication. Tradition is not limited to Christianity.
Yes, you are allowed to resist those changes, and others can keep trying to change.
Of course. And wars have happened because of situations like that.
I fail to see the problem, in my perception. You seem to think it is a problem because it does not conform to your morality–that does not make it a problem.
That’s right. Just as it seems to conform to your morality. It’s called a disagreement, only I am ready to escalate my position to combat what I see as an escalation on my opponents side.
Schools are promoting a safe learning enviroment and engendering trust, cooperation, kindness, and tolerance through programs such as this. I see no evidence of indoctrination, or at least no more than the attempts of the religious masses.
  1. Schools get taxpayer funding to teach kids basics in life. 2) Only one side is allowed to be heard. 3) The only job of schools is to teach the three R’s, and relavent topics, not to social engineer. 4) This is the governemnt taking the side of one group and censoring the other. (religious morals are not allowed in schools, but left wing socialengineering, is)
It was a rant–I call it like I see it. Sure, liberalism and the GLBT supporters arent perfect–but most certainly niether are conservatives of the religious. I do disagree with you, but the last part was a rant of what you dislike.
It was not a rant, it was an explanation of why I belive what I belive and it was directed to the relalvant person that I have had previous discussions with on the topic of liberalism. This is an internet site. If I had written a book on my positions, I would have glaldy refered it to him to read.
 
In a sense, yes. According to Smith College president Carol T. Christ:
smith.edu/president/letters/043008.html

School officials did ask Sorba to leave, but their request was prompted by the behavior of the protestors.
I see what you are saying, but it seems like reaching. As she said:

“On a pragmatic level, after about 10 minutes the speaker could not be heard.”

He was shut down by the protesters, AND THEN, because of the escalation, it was decided to end it officially. The protestoers were allowed to be rude and loud and accomplished their mission, while my side was shut out. That was their plan from the get go, and I would have been cracking skulls. Their side can be heard, but not mine? At a school that get’s public funding?? That’s government censorship.
 
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But Smith College is a private school, at least as private as Aquinas College. Why do you say Smith is getting public funding but Aquinas isn’t?
I didn’t say anything about Aquinas. But, unless I am reading this wrong, they get tax paryer funding too. PLEASE correct me if I am wrong. And Smith College does get federal funding.

smith.edu/controller/Financial0405-1024.pdf

ceo.syd.catholic.edu.au/cms/webdav/site/curriculumonline/shared/Complicance/AnnualReports/2006_Annual_Reports/M/2006%20-%20MENAI%20-%20Aquinas%20College%20(7-12%20Co-ed).pdf

But, if I wanted to get real technical, student financial aid comes from taxes too. One could say that the students who silenced that guy, were agents of the government. At least while they are in debted to the government. But, it’s ok, you know, because they’re just kids, you know? (yeah)
 
massresistance.org/docs/gen/08a/born_gay_hoax/smith_0329/index.html

But again, their behavior is not. They shut down this speaker because they disagree with him. I say it’s time to shut them down. The republicans should have fought them and gave the police something to do. Notice, it was mostly women too. Well they were the most disruptive and vocal anyway. This is why they shouldn’t vote. I would have been cracking skulls. As I have been saying, my side has no nads at all.
Are you being for real? I honestly cannot believe you said that. How judgemental of you to pass assumptions upon a whole gender or class of people based on the actions of a few you disagree with.
I guess it is ok for them to silence free speech, dissent, and discriminate, huh?
I don’t understand where you are getting your whole, “silence of free speech” comment, maybe you can explain??
I say it’s time to take the gloves off.

I am so outraged right now, I am shaking. I know you are loving that fact, but keep in mind this is festering outrage, so don’t laugh too hard.
Why are you so outraged? Because people are different from you? Because their beliefs aren’t aligned with yours?
 
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