May Raped Men Require Abortion?

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Family Law Update

Statutory Rape Is Statutory Rape, unless you’re willing, sometimes
by Lester Cohen, MFCC, JD

In County of San Luis Obispo v. Nathaniel J., the California Court of Appeals stated that although a 15 year old boy who was
seduced by a 34 year old woman, was a victim of the 34 year old (she was prosecuted for statutory rape), the 15 year old
father is obligated to pay child support to the child.
The 34 year old mother was prosecuted and convicted of unlawful sexual intercourse with a minor. According to the criminal
court, the 15 year old was a victim. The willingness or lack of willingness of a 15 year old having intercourse with a 34 year old,
was not an issue. Statutory rape is statutory rape with those age differences.
The father admitted paternity. The courts switched over to the family law component. There, the same District Attorney’s office
which said he was a victim of statutory rape, contended that the new born child should not become a further victim by allowing
a parent (15 year old) to avoid the responsibility of supporting the child when and as he is able. Father’s attorney argued that
the California Constitution states that “all persons who suffer losses as a result of criminal activity shall have the right to
restitution from the persons convicted of the crime for losses they suffer.”
The clincher for the court, as it turned out, was that the 15 year old admitted that he was a willing participant in the intercourse.
Although not relevant for the criminal action against the mother, the court found that the willingness of the father did allow them
to differentiate between a minor who has been the victim of willing statutory rape and one who was not a willing participant.
There is also a strong history of case law precedents in California and other states, where courts have found that for purposes
of child support, voluntary intercourse resulting in voluntary parenthood, allows the minor parent to be liable for the financial
support of the minor infant.
Doc_Keele said:
Find us a single example of a man who has been raped and forced to pay child support for a child conceived from that rape.
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Note the specifc term “man”! And the difference between unlawful sexual intercourse and rape.
 
You read about a lot of statutory rape of teenage boys by their adult female teachers!
Or females giving alcohol to teenagers to make them less inhibited!
 
michaeldaniels said:
Family Law Update

Statutory Rape Is Statutory Rape, unless you’re willing, sometimes
by Lester Cohen, MFCC, JD

In County of San Luis Obispo v. Nathaniel J., the California Court of Appeals stated that although a 15 year old boy who was
seduced by a 34 year old woman, was a victim of the 34 year old (she was prosecuted for statutory rape), the 15 year old
father is obligated to pay child support to the child.
The 34 year old mother was prosecuted and convicted of unlawful sexual intercourse with a minor. According to the criminal
court, the 15 year old was a victim. The willingness or lack of willingness of a 15 year old having intercourse with a 34 year old,
was not an issue. Statutory rape is statutory rape with those age differences.
The father admitted paternity. The courts switched over to the family law component. There, the same District Attorney’s office
which said he was a victim of statutory rape, contended that the new born child should not become a further victim by allowing
a parent (15 year old) to avoid the responsibility of supporting the child when and as he is able. Father’s attorney argued that
the California Constitution states that “all persons who suffer losses as a result of criminal activity shall have the right to
restitution from the persons convicted of the crime for losses they suffer.”
The clincher for the court, as it turned out, was that the 15 year old admitted that he was a willing participant in the intercourse.
Although not relevant for the criminal action against the mother, the court found that the willingness of the father did allow them
to differentiate between a minor who has been the victim of willing statutory rape and one who was not a willing participant.
There is also a strong history of case law precedents in California and other states, where courts have found that for purposes
of child support, voluntary intercourse resulting in voluntary parenthood, allows the minor parent to be liable for the financial
support of the minor infant.
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the 15 year old admitted that he was a willing participant in the intercourse.
There would seem to be a significant difference when the statutory rape “victim” is adamant that he was willing. Usually these teenagers are quite proud that they had sex with women and they rebel at being given the label “rape victim.”
 
Middleman said:
The rape of men is almost always done by other men. A situation where a man was sexually aroused against his will by a woman and then forced to have sex would be extremely rare. It’s an off the charts hypothetical situation.
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No, it’s not. It happens a lot more than you would think. Arousal is a biological thing and based on stimulation, and also, a woman can use objects. Also, slipping a man Viagra and roofies would do the trick. Woman can be rapists. Men don’t come forward because of the stigma surrounding it.
 
michaeldaniels said:
“the 15 year old admitted that he was a willing participant in the intercourse…where courts have found that for purposes
of child support, voluntary intercourse resulting in voluntary parenthood, allows the minor parent to be liable for the financial support of the minor infant.”
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That’s not rape. Rape is non-consensual. It’s an act of violence, and does not have anything to do with consent. A 14 year old is beyond the age of reason, and has consented/chose to have sex out of wedlock with someone. This is the fact that made the case.

Try again.
 
Well rape IS to do with lack of consent…
but the essence of most statutes on underage sex is that the consent of the minor is irrelevant to the offence (and in England and Wales, the sentences are the same so proving lack of consent is not necessary).
 
kage_ar said:
In another thread, many posters contend that after rape a woman is justified and has the right to abort the child conceived by the rape.

Men get raped.

When a man is raped, should that act impregnate his rapist, would it be permissible for him to force that child to be aborted?

Should a man be forced to be come a father against his will?
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A raped man (or any man) should be able to give up his parental rights and responsibilities if he so chooses.

But he can require an abortion when he is the one pregnant. Requiring abortion would in fact give him control over the woman’s body unless he is the one pregnant, which makes no sense. Abortion is about giving a woman the right to control her body and her life.
 
SugarMagnolia said:
the 15 year old admitted that he was a willing participant in the intercourse.
There would seem to be a significant difference when the statutory rape “victim” is adamant that he was willing. Usually these teenagers are quite proud that they had sex with women and they rebel at being given the label “rape victim.”
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Statutory rape in my opinion is one of the more ridiculous laws in America. Most of the rest of the world puts the age of consent much lower. Canada used to have it at 14, until the conservative government changed it to 16.

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Age_of_Consent.png

This law seems to have its reasons in people’s discomfort with teenagers having sex than actual rape.
 
The act of sexual assault upon men by women is extremely rare. However, I think the real question being asked here is does the man have a right to force the woman to have an abortion. I think the answer has to be no, since medical procedures legally require informed consent and I think there would be obvious moral problems in forcing someone against their conscience and will to have an abortion. In real cases courts have refused to allow suits by men to coerce women in reproductive decisions (i.e. to have or to not have abortions).
 
kage_ar said:
In another thread, many posters contend that after rape a woman is justified and has the right to abort the child conceived by the rape.

Men get raped.

When a man is raped, should that act impregnate his rapist, would it be permissible for him to force that child to be aborted?

Should a man be forced to be come a father against his will?
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I have to ask what would make this man who was forcible raped want to get involved after the fact. The painful stigma of feeling shame, guilt, and anger at the female rapist would be enough alone to keep him away from this women.

Is there really some moral responsibility on his part that should oblige him to get involved in the aftermath of the assault. Regrettable as the scenario is and unless the female rapist decides to abort or keep the child, in the later it’s highly likely that the child will grow up bastardized. Two injustices are born out this. The father being a victim of rape and the child growing up without a father. I think its very rare in a scenario like this that a victimized man would care what the female rape assailant chooses to do given the mental stigma incurred. And I highly doubt the female rapist would hold her male victim legally responsible for the child unless there was some vendetta or ulterior motive born out of hate.
 
I find it interesting that the posters who are the biggest proponents of killing the babies of rapists do not feel the need to provide the same choice to male victims of rape. There is a clear anti-man bias.
 
kage_ar said:
I find it interesting that the posters who are the biggest proponents of killing the babies of rapists do not feel the need to provide the same choice to male victims of rape. There is a clear anti-man bias.
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No clear bias at all, since the two situations are not analogous.
 
kage_ar said:
I find it interesting that the posters who are the biggest proponents of killing the babies of rapists do not feel the need to provide the same choice to male victims of rape. There is a clear anti-man bias.
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It’s not the same situation, a raped man or any man should be able to choose not to be a father by being released from parental rights and responsibilities (i.e. he would not have to pay child support).

Abortion is not about the choice not to become a parent, it’s about a woman’s right to control her body and her life. A man can get the same right by relinquishing parental rights.
 
kage_ar said:
Take it up with this group:

aest.org.uk/survivors/male/myths_about_male_rape.htm

Here are some US Stats:

86% of men who were raped and/or physically assaulted since the age of 18 were assaulted by a male. (National Violence Against Women Survey, 1998)

www2.ucsc.edu/rape-prevention/statistics.html
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[B86% of men who were raped and/or physically assaulted since the age of 18 were assaulted by a male. (National Violence Against Women Survey, 1998)
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First of all as a “heterosexual” male rape victim myself gang-raped and tortured both two men and one woman, I don’t buy into these inaccurate statistics no matter which country they come out of. These statistics ONLY include victims who have reported their rape to medical health institutions or law enforcement agencies. It’s a proven fact if you care to do enough research, that proves that most male rape victims would rather remain silent due to societal bias pigeonholing all male rape victims as gay. Statistics of women raping men never get out because which man in his right mind is going to report it and risk complete ridicule.
 
centurionguard said:
First of all as a “heterosexual” male rape victim myself gang-raped and tortured both two men and one woman, I don’t buy into these inaccurate statistics no matter which country they come out of. These statistics ONLY include victims who have reported their rape to medical health institutions or law enforcement agencies. It’s a proven fact if you care to do enough research, that proves that most male rape victims would rather remain silent due to societal bias pigeonholing all male rape victims as gay. Statistics of women raping men never get out because which man in his right mind is going to report it and risk complete ridicule.
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Exactly.

There are people here who think this crime does not happen at all. It is cruel to think that rape is something that ONLY victimizes women. Rape does not respect gender.

Rape does not justify more cruel violence.
 
Middleman said:
The rape of men is almost always done by other men. A situation where a man was sexually aroused against his will by a woman and then forced to have sex would be extremely rare. It’s an off the charts hypothetical situation.
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Ahhhhh. Common sense DOES still exist in this world.
 
kage_ar said:
Many men are forced to pay child support against their wishes, for children they have never met.
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In such cases the man had sex, without protection, outside of marriage. Which the law determines is a man’s choice, and assumes he takes responsiblity for the outcome of that act. If he did not want a child the man should have worn protection, had a written agreement releasing him from all parental responsiblities. Fore thought sure kills the moment. 😉

Adults have minds that go with their bodys and it’s urges. If you ignore the fact semen contains sperm and when united with an egg a potential pregnancy occurs you excuse your right to be free of child support. Children should not be the victims of stupid parental whims.

Women that get pregnant by rape, do have the option of abortion, but many don’t they go full term and society or the mother’s family pay for the child. I have never heard of a rapist paying child support. I could be wrong, there may be men that do.

So should a man demand that his sperm be removed from an egg via abortion violates the rights of the woman. The same as if a woman were to demand a man take hormones to destroy his ability to make sperm before he is married, causing him to develop female characteristics. You are screwing with the rights of the individual.

Now should a rapist be punished – darn right. Should a father have rights to see his children – darn right. Further, should a father have the right to see how his child support is spent, yes, if it is not harrassment. I often wonder how the court comes up with some of these figures, when the intact family, never spent that much on the child’s welfare.

Although women are the one’s that get pregnant, the law holds a man responsible, while on the street men tend to leave that up to the woman. Maybe the law is ahead of the social norms in this point of human behaviour.

Now were you talking about rape or seduction? I just can see myself grabbing a man, and not getting punched out in the process.
 
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