Maybe the pope should apologize to traditional Catholics

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rjh_nyc said:
Help me to understand this, please. I was born post-Vatican II and simply don’t – probably because I can’t – understand how the events and documents and decisions caused tens of millions of formerly devout Catholics to lose their faith. It’s fascinating, and I really want to know more.
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How much time do you have? It’s a big fascinating subject.

From what I’ve read and heard there are several groups.
  • people who flat out rejected the Novus Ordo and quit going to Mass
  • people who over time got turned off by all the liturgical abuses and novelties
  • people who over time forgot Church teachings and eventually faded from regular attendance
  • people who never got to hear Church teaching and don’t know any better
Here is a couple book recommendations: Unum Iota, Rhine Crosses the Tiber
 
StTommyMore said:
The Church is not in decline. Vocations are back on the rise, and the liberals that populated the '70s are all but extinct. Lay movements are thriving.
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Some could have been gone, but nothing has changed. those who left, has left in place those who were tought by them. how is this change?
I dont know where you have been. but things are not as good as you think it is, unless you think that the only CC there is, is the one you go to. at least those in my parish think that they are the only CC there is, is the one they go to. they dont even recognize what the CC really is.
 
wisdomseeker said:
Great article. very true. until the Mass goes back to its origins, nothing will change. until we go back to the Traditions of our Fathers, nothing will change. it will only get worse. this new religion must be stopped.
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I am reminded of reading of Pope Leo’s (the XIII?) hearing that conversation between Our Lord and Satan boasting that he could destroy the Church in 100 years…

Don’t fear; our Lord said the gates of hell will not prevail against His Church and I believe Him 100%. Have faith!
 
Ockham said:
Shocking. People in the Traditional forum read the Remnant. I’d be more surprised if someone quoted from the Tablet, National Catholic Reporter, or America magazine. You know, the trumpets of modernism.
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You got that right. I’ve seen NCR linked to many times. Worst publication/site out there that claims to be Catholic.
 
there is no need for the pope to apologize to anyone. It’s become a futile exercise. The media demands that the pope apologize over & over again as a way to deligitimize the Church and its’ mission.

The author then points out that if the pope is going to play to the secular world’s game, then perhaps he could apologize to traditional Catholics for the way they were (and often still are) treated by others in the Church. However, I don’t think he actually expects or wants an apology from the pope.

I find it humorous that some of the preceding posts make the claim that traditional Catholics have no basis to think they’ve been treated unjustly by the hierarchy and others in the Church for the last 40 years. Just think of the wailing & gnashing of teeth that would eminate from the NO folks if next Sunday it was announced that henceforth all Masses would be celebrated ad orietem, in Latin with no laymen being allowed to prance around the sanctuary as ‘lectors’ or ‘EMHC’s’ and horrors of horrors - no more hand shaky thing !! EGADS !!
 
ncstevem said:
there is no need for the pope to apologize to anyone. It’s become a futile exercise. The media demands that the pope apologize over & over again as a way to deligitimize the Church and its’ mission.

The author then points out that if the pope is going to play to the secular world’s game, then perhaps he could apologize to traditional Catholics for the way they were (and often still are) treated by others in the Church. However, I don’t think he actually expects or wants an apology from the pope.

I find it humorous that some of the preceding posts make the claim that traditional Catholics have no basis to think they’ve been treated unjustly by the hierarchy and others in the Church for the last 40 years. Just think of the wailing & gnashing of teeth that would eminate from the NO folks if next Sunday it was announced that henceforth all Masses would be celebrated ad orietem, in Latin with no laymen being allowed to prance around the sanctuary as ‘lectors’ or ‘EMHC’s’ and horrors of horrors - no more hand shaky thing !! EGADS !!
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To eliminate the NO would be disastrous of the Church. If you want to know whay the NO was introduced, read Sacrosanctum Concilium, which called for full and active lay participation and introduction of the vernacular. I concede some things were done “in Spirit of Vatican II” that were in error, but tho throw the baby out with the bathwater is just as erroneous. Perhaps energies would better be spent with finding real solutions rather than simply being reactionary.
And no, Traditionalists have no cause for complaint. In fact I would say that most Traditionalists forget the “living” part of Tradition. In other words, disciplines, liturgical forms (including the Mass), and practices can and do change.
 
I’m not aware of any document stating the TLM was officially suppressed. I do know that with the exception of the SSPX and FSSP the TLM was virtually suppressed since 1969. Would you agree?
 
Ockham said:
I’m not aware of any document stating the TLM was officially suppressed. I do know that with the exception of the SSPX and FSSP the TLM was virtually suppressed since 1969. Would you agree?
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That is not the issue. You claim it was suppressed. Summorum Pontificum states it never was. Are you this unwilling to actually admit that you are wrong in this case?
 
Did you miss the word ‘virtually’ from my last post?

If the TLM wasn’t virtually suppressed why was an indult needed to say it?
 
StTommyMore said:
That is not the issue. You claim it was suppressed. Summorum Pontificum states it never was. Are you this unwilling to actually admit that you are wrong in this case?
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Sorry to butt in, but I agree that Rome never suppressed it.

HOWEVER…individual bishops and priests did suppress it at their various parishes and dioceses over the years after V2. That is why, I think, Summorum Pontificum was needed. (Isn’t it a recent document from Pope Benedict?)
 
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