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steph03
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It is encouraging to hear Patriach of Constantinople Bartholomew use such words, not something new, but it seems to slowly get accepted…
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poche
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Let us pray that this happens sooner rather than later.
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tafan2
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That is a good sign. But let’s not suppose all the obstacles are cleared away. Read this:
If we think The Church Militant goes way overboard on its criticisms of Rome, we ain’t seen nothing yet. The criticisms of Patriarch Bartholomew are souch worse.
I don’t keep up with Orthodox internal issues, but I doubt the Patriarch is the enemy of the Triune God.
If we think The Church Militant goes way overboard on its criticisms of Rome, we ain’t seen nothing yet. The criticisms of Patriarch Bartholomew are souch worse.
I don’t keep up with Orthodox internal issues, but I doubt the Patriarch is the enemy of the Triune God.
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steph03
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If this is ever to happen, both sides will have to have patience and understanding. Let`s be honest, there was blame on both sides for this to occur in the first place. I do not believe we will be back as one Church in my lifetime, but to be in communion… that would be awesome. I think the west has alot to contribute to the east, and the east has alot to contribute to the west. the Church needs both lungs…That is a good sign. But let’s not suppose all the obstacles are cleared away. Read this:
Athonite Elder Gabriel, disciple of St. Paisios, rebukes Patriarch Bartholomew as an enemy of God / OrthoChristian.Com
If we think The Church Militant goes way overboard on its criticisms of Rome, we ain’t seen nothing yet.
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Several on this forum have stated that being in communion, not reunion, was the goal, that was all there was for the first millennium. The Patriarch Bartholomew uses the term reunion when he says it is inevitable.
It seems to me they are one and the same. How can we be in communion with someone not of the same Church? It doesn’t make sense.
I think those, typically from Eastern Catholic Churches, who say it is communion, not reunion, are scared that reunion implies some type of Roman jurisdictional/administration control or at least we Catholics assume it does.
Having recently started learning a but more about all of this, I think there is no distinction. Communion is the goal for sure, but that’s the end goal. If we have communion, we are one.
Unfortunately, there are strong voices on the Orthodox side who oppose this strongly. It’s hard to see those going away.
It seems to me they are one and the same. How can we be in communion with someone not of the same Church? It doesn’t make sense.
I think those, typically from Eastern Catholic Churches, who say it is communion, not reunion, are scared that reunion implies some type of Roman jurisdictional/administration control or at least we Catholics assume it does.
Having recently started learning a but more about all of this, I think there is no distinction. Communion is the goal for sure, but that’s the end goal. If we have communion, we are one.
Unfortunately, there are strong voices on the Orthodox side who oppose this strongly. It’s hard to see those going away.
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steph03
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I agree. There are also voices on the Catholic side who feel the same from the opposite perspective… Fortunately I would say most Catholics and most Orhtodox are not part of those voices…Several on this forum have stated that being in communion, not reunion, was the goal, that was all there was for the first millennium. The Patriarch Bartholomew uses the term reunion when he says it is inevitable.
It seems to me they are one and the same. How can we be in communion with someone not of the same Church? It doesn’t make sense.
I think those, typically from Eastern Catholic Churches, who say it is communion, not reunion, are scared that reunion implies some type of Roman jurisdictional/administration control or at least we Catholics assume it does.
Having recently started learning a but more about all of this, I think there is no distinction. Communion is the goal for sure, but that’s the end goal. If we have communion, we are one.
Unfortunately, there are strong voices on the Orthodox side who oppose this strongly. It’s hard to see those going away.
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tafan2
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This claim about the problem being on both sides is often made, but it can’t really be supported by any evidence. There are not Catholic Bishop’s, priests, prominent theologians who issue such strong words against Orthodoxy, indeed any words against Orthodoxy. There are lay people who misunderstand what being in communion with Rome would entail. That is understandable, as they have little other personal experience with, for instance , Eastern Rite Catholics.
But the problem and obstacles are in the East, not the West, at this point in time. So we should pray for Patriarch Bartholomew and his efforts.
But the problem and obstacles are in the East, not the West, at this point in time. So we should pray for Patriarch Bartholomew and his efforts.
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