Maybe there is some kind of an afterlife

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If I read this article correctly, the author is a subscriber to the parallel worlds theory. He refines it by (if I understand correctly) saying that time and space are sort of… illusions. All we really are are 20 watts of energy sealed inside of a body, which is our vehicle for understanding and interpreting the universe.

So what happens when we “die”? What happens to that 20 watts?
We still exist. That 20 watts doesn’t just vanish.

If… I read correctly, when we die and lose our brains and the ability to recognise time and space as we knew it when we were inside our bodies… we transcend time and space.

Perhaps, whatever happens to that 20 watts that made us up is what Heaven or Hell is?
 
Thank you for posting this. I have yet to come across someone who shares my philosophy more closely than he does, it’s quite refreshing.
 
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If I read this article correctly, the author is a subscriber to the parallel worlds theory. He refines it by (if I understand correctly) saying that time and space are sort of… illusions. All we really are are 20 watts of energy sealed inside of a body, which is our vehicle for understanding and interpreting the universe.

So what happens when we “die”? What happens to that 20 watts?
We still exist. That 20 watts doesn’t just vanish.

If… I read correctly, when we die and lose our brains and the ability to recognise time and space as we knew it when we were inside our bodies… we transcend time and space.

Perhaps, whatever happens to that 20 watts that made us up is what Heaven or Hell is?
The article you cite hinges its argument on the multiverse hypothesis, which has no scientific basis. It’s simply a philosophical position atheists use to deny that quantum mechanical choices are made (that potency is brought to act, to use the Thomistic terms). Here’s U Delaware physicist Prof. Stephen Barr’s opinion on the multiverse hypothesis:

Merely speculating the existence of an infinite number of domains to our universe or altogether separate universes cannot get around the fact that our universe is a special kind of place … It seems to abolish one unobservable, God, it takes an infinite number of unobservable substitutes *." (Barr, Modern Physics and Ancient Faith, p 156-7)

Since the multiverse hypothesis is completely unsupported philosophy, we must turn to a reasonable metaphysics to make our case for the afterlife. This is to be found in the natural law, and specifically, in that all created forms have a final cause, or purpose, for their existence, as Prof. Edward Feser has written:

A plant is ordered toward taking in nutrients, growing and reproducing itself; those are the ends nature has given it. An animal has these ends too, along with the ends entialed by its distinctive powers of sensation and locomotion … Now a human being has all of these ends too, but on top of them he has the ends or final causes entailed by being rational and having free will… [T]he intellect’s capacity to know the truth is more fully realized the deeper one’s understanding of the nature of the world and the causes underlying it. And the deepest truth about the world, as we have seen, is that it is caused and sustained in being by God. The highest fulfillment of the distinctively human power of intellect, then, is, for Aristotle and Aquinas, to know God" (The Last Superstition, p 122)

Thus the end of the human being is the Beatific vision. Moreover, Christ’s Resurrection revealed to us in history that death is not the end. I’ve read that Richard Swinburne’s book The Resurrection of God Incarnate is a good text on this.

Hope this helps,

-Ryan Vilbig
ryan.vilbig@gmail.com*
 
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If I read this article correctly, the author is a subscriber to the parallel worlds theory. He refines it by (if I understand correctly) saying that time and space are sort of… illusions. All we really are are 20 watts of energy sealed inside of a body, which is our vehicle for understanding and interpreting the universe.

So what happens when we “die”? What happens to that 20 watts?
We still exist. That 20 watts doesn’t just vanish.

If… I read correctly, when we die and lose our brains and the ability to recognise time and space as we knew it when we were inside our bodies… we transcend time and space.

Perhaps, whatever happens to that 20 watts that made us up is what Heaven or Hell is?
Friend, don’t get caught up in such things. Attempting to discover the biomechanics and physics of the soul is to miss the point: the soul is spirit, pure and simple. When we die, our souls are separated from our bodies and move into eternity. That is where heaven and hell lie; whether that ALSO means they lie in our universe (or elsewhere) is irrelevant, because they are not knowable to us in this life.

Hell is eternal separation from God and suffering; heaven is eternal union with God. In both places, after the final judgement, we will be reunited with our bodies (the resurrection of the dead). This “20 watts” nonsense is an attempt to get around the need for a God.

Peace,
Dante
 
So what happens when we “die”? What happens to that 20 watts?
We still exist. That 20 watts doesn’t just vanish.
Whoa there, partner. The energy will still exist, but the particular form that the energy had once assumed (that is, “we”) won’t exist at that time.

As other posters have pointed out, this “multiverse theory” (which isn’t a scientific theory, as theories require strong evidence) is more akin to groundless speculation along the lines of, “Gee, what if…?”

In point of fact, there is no reason to think that “I” am anything other than a particular configuration of matter and energy that temporarily gives rise to consciousness. When the matter and energy cease to be in this configuration, that will be the end of the consciousness.
 
The article you cite hinges its argument on the multiverse hypothesis, which has no scientific basis. It’s simply a philosophical position atheists use to deny that quantum mechanical choices are made
Don’t forget, this IS a Catholic asking this question. A sad, scared, confused one, but I wouldn’t even bring it up if I didn’t think there might be some validity to it as Christians.

Maybe it is more philosophy than actual proven science (since, as yet, we would have no way to probe into other dimensions), but it does provide a solution to some hypotheses such as “Schrodinger’s cat” (has the radioactive isotope decayed? Is the cat dead or alive? Depending on which plane we’re on, it could be either).

As I see it, it doesn’t remove the possibility that we choose certain things so much as there are multiple versions of us – each with different potentials to get to Heaven. The “me” who chooses not to type this reply is not at all the same “me” who does. (This might also mean we just might be able to see our loved ones in Heaven – though they might not exactly be the ones we knew in our lifetimes.)

In fact, it wouldn’t be past me to believe that Heaven and Hell are two parallel universes themselves– one absolute perfection and the other absolute imperfection. And one way or another, our souls will end up on one of those two planes. (Again, though, we can’t get there ourselves, as heaven and hell are not unlike infinity and negative infinity – understandable, but impossible to reach [ourselves] no matter how far we go.)
Friend, don’t get caught up in such things. Attempting to discover the biomechanics and physics of the soul is to miss the point: the soul is spirit, pure and simple. When we die, our souls are separated from our bodies and move into eternity. That is where heaven and hell lie; whether that ALSO means they lie in our universe (or elsewhere) is irrelevant, because they are not knowable to us in this life.
Hell is eternal separation from God and suffering; heaven is eternal union with God. In both places, after the final judgement, we will be reunited with our bodies (the resurrection of the dead). This “20 watts” nonsense is an attempt to get around the need for a God.
Mate, you’re forgetting what science was originally MADE for. Science was made by man to try and understand God more deeply, not to explain Him away. And that’s all I’m trying to do here. Trying to understand how our souls work.

That’s all science can do – explain HOW things work, not WHY they work. Anyone who assumes there is no reason for this is full of it.
As other posters have pointed out, this “multiverse theory” (which isn’t a scientific theory, as theories require strong evidence) is more akin to groundless speculation along the lines of, “Gee, what if…?”
OK, yes, sorry. It is a hypothesis, not a theory. Please remind me if I make that mistake again.

It’s not completely groundless. It tries to answer questions about what happens when we aren’t looking at things. It’s a counter to Bohr’s hypothesis – the Copenhagen interpretation – in which, unless observations are made on something in the quantum world (or the unseen world), any potential number of things are happening (which results in a paradox). With the parallel worlds interpretation, we avoid this paradox by saying that it is quite possible that any of those things could be happening, but depending on which timeline you are on, only one is happening, and that is the only one you can see in that time, while another “you” sees something different.

The only things that are given across all planes is that God exists and can make whatever He wants (which is what He did in all universes including Heaven and Hell).
 
Don’t forget, this IS a Catholic asking this question. A sad, scared, confused one, but I wouldn’t even bring it up if I didn’t think there might be some validity to it as Christians.

Mate, you’re forgetting what science was originally MADE for. Science was made by man to try and understand God more deeply, not to explain Him away. And that’s all I’m trying to do here. Trying to understand how our souls work.

That’s all science can do – explain HOW things work, not WHY they work. Anyone who assumes there is no reason for this is full of it.
The soul is, as I pointed out, spirit–NOT energy. Anyone who suggests otherwise is, as you say, “full of it”, because this is a revealed truth taught by the Church. Since you are a Catholic, you must start with the assumption that the spiritual nature of the soul is true.
The only things that are given across all planes is that God exists and can make whatever He wants (which is what He did in all universes including Heaven and Hell).
…and that His Church teaches the truth on matters of faith and morals.

Peace,
Dante
 
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If I read this article correctly, the author is a subscriber to the parallel worlds theory. He refines it by (if I understand correctly) saying that time and space are sort of… illusions. All we really are are 20 watts of energy sealed inside of a body, which is our vehicle for understanding and interpreting the universe.

So what happens when we “die”? What happens to that 20 watts?
We still exist. That 20 watts doesn’t just vanish.

If… I read correctly, when we die and lose our brains and the ability to recognise time and space as we knew it when we were inside our bodies… we transcend time and space.

Perhaps, whatever happens to that 20 watts that made us up is what Heaven or Hell is?
The twenty watts, in a very real sense, does just vanish. While energy cannot be created nor destroyed, without organization it simply dissipates and increases a mathematically related property called entropy.
 
Don’t forget, this IS a Catholic asking this question. A sad, scared, confused one, but I wouldn’t even bring it up if I didn’t think there might be some validity to it as Christians.

Maybe it is more philosophy than actual proven science (since, as yet, we would have no way to probe into other dimensions), but it does provide a solution to some hypotheses such as “Schrodinger’s cat” (has the radioactive isotope decayed? Is the cat dead or alive? Depending on which plane we’re on, it could be either).

As I see it, it doesn’t remove the possibility that we choose certain things so much as there are multiple versions of us – each with different potentials to get to Heaven. The “me” who chooses not to type this reply is not at all the same “me” who does. (This might also mean we just might be able to see our loved ones in Heaven – though they might not exactly be the ones we knew in our lifetimes.)

In fact, it wouldn’t be past me to believe that Heaven and Hell are two parallel universes themselves– one absolute perfection and the other absolute imperfection. And one way or another, our souls will end up on one of those two planes. (Again, though, we can’t get there ourselves, as heaven and hell are not unlike infinity and negative infinity – understandable, but impossible to reach [ourselves] no matter how far we go.)

Mate, you’re forgetting what science was originally MADE for. Science was made by man to try and understand God more deeply, not to explain Him away. And that’s all I’m trying to do here. Trying to understand how our souls work.

That’s all science can do – explain HOW things work, not WHY they work. Anyone who assumes there is no reason for this is full of it.

OK, yes, sorry. It is a hypothesis, not a theory. Please remind me if I make that mistake again.

It’s not completely groundless. It tries to answer questions about what happens when we aren’t looking at things. It’s a counter to Bohr’s hypothesis – the Copenhagen interpretation – in which, unless observations are made on something in the quantum world (or the unseen world), any potential number of things are happening (which results in a paradox). With the parallel worlds interpretation, we avoid this paradox by saying that it is quite possible that any of those things could be happening, but depending on which timeline you are on, only one is happening, and that is the only one you can see in that time, while another “you” sees something different.

The only things that are given across all planes is that God exists and can make whatever He wants (which is what He did in all universes including Heaven and Hell).
:gopray:
Did you see this thread?
forums.catholic-questions.org/showthread.php?t=462447

do not be sad, Remain true and keep faith; and for the rest, trust to God.

Oh, that is take heart, be strong.:angel1:
 
Oh boy, Watt is a unit for power not for energy. Power is energy per time. Unlike energy power has no conversation law. Basic junior grade physics.
 
In point of fact, there is no reason to think that “I” am anything other than a particular configuration of matter and energy that temporarily gives rise to consciousness. When the matter and energy cease to be in this configuration, that will be the end of the consciousness.
If there were no reason to think “you” are anything other than a particular configuration of matter and energy there would be no reason to think anything produced by that particular configuration of matter and energy corresponds to reality because there would be no reason let alone a reason to think… :rolleyes:
 
huffingtonpost.com/robert-lanza/does-death-exist-new-theo_b_384515.html

If I read this article correctly, the author is a subscriber to the parallel worlds theory. He refines it by (if I understand correctly) saying that time and space are sort of… illusions. All we really are are 20 watts of energy sealed inside of a body, which is our vehicle for understanding and interpreting the universe.

So what happens when we “die”? What happens to that 20 watts?
We still exist. That 20 watts doesn’t just vanish.

If… I read correctly, when we die and lose our brains and the ability to recognise time and space as we knew it when we were inside our bodies… we transcend time and space.

Perhaps, whatever happens to that 20 watts that made us up is what Heaven or Hell is?
You’re a Catholic? hmmm
 
If I read this article correctly, the author is a subscriber to the parallel worlds theory. He refines it by (if I understand correctly) saying that time and space are sort of… illusions. All we really are are 20 watts of energy sealed inside of a body, which is our vehicle for understanding and interpreting the universe.

So what happens when we “die”? What happens to that 20 watts?
We still exist. That 20 watts doesn’t just vanish.

If… I read correctly, when we die and lose our brains and the ability to recognise time and space as we knew it when we were inside our bodies… we transcend time and space.

Perhaps, whatever happens to that 20 watts that made us up is what Heaven or Hell is?

I think I would apply Occam’s razor sharply to the question and ask serious questions. The first question is: is there a “self”–more precisely does the human personality survive death? Sartre considered the subject in his “Being and Nothingness” and you may find his conclusions compelling. Scientific inquirey into consciousness is in its infancy. The question is profound and is much more complex than medieval metaphysicians perhaps thought.
 
If there were no reason to think “you” are anything other than a particular configuration of matter and energy there would be no reason to think anything produced by that particular configuration of matter and energy corresponds to reality because there would be no reason let alone a reason to think… :rolleyes:
Well, there is reason—actually, there is rationality to the universe. More, directly, things tend to “make sense”. Gravity, the strong and weak nuclear forces all are knowable by rational “laws”. Sometimes, such laws as are discovered fly in the face of what is conventional wisdom—as courageous individuals (Gallelio, for example) found out the hard way. But generally, things make sense and what the laws are, require serious study and dedication. Usually, these laws are not discovered by prayer, mystical means or faith (as indeed, Galleio found out the hard way).

So I suggest, why not cut to the chase and avoid the intervention of a personality (ie Jehova) to make it all happen? I suggest that the universe is rational and personality, personage and other complex modes of being are emergent properties of “the rational”.

So to directly respond to your comment: There is reason because there is reason not because there is a personality (ie Jehova) who reasons.
 
So to directly respond to your comment: There is reason because there is reason not because there is a personality (ie Jehova) who reasons.
There is reason because there is reason. That’s a circular argument. We know, however, that without an ultimate purpose, there is no ultimate reason.
 
There is reason because there is reason. That’s a circular argument. We know, however, that without an ultimate purpose, there is no ultimate reason.
“Without an ultimate purpose, there is no reason”–that isn’t circular?
 
From the article:

A new scientific theory - called *biocentrism *- refines these ideas. There are an infinite number of universes, and everything that could possibly happen occurs in some universe.

That is a childish notion which borders on insanity. The author recalls the death of his sister and is trying to console himself or his family with the idea that her 20-watts is still existing.

The Catholic Faith is a foundation of truth that people should turn to, instead of these foolish speculations.
 
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