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If you speak of someone being “anti-catholic” what do you mean by that?
Ironically, this claim is most often made by KJV only types, who are much more restrictive with what Bibles to and not to read than the Catholic Church ever has been.I don’t know how many times I have heard the one about the Church not allowing the Bible to be translated because the Church didn’t want the ordinary people reading it. :banghead:

Well I think those on the receiving end of comments denigrating their beliefs might disagree with you. People don’t generally separate statements about their faith from themselves. They would assume, in most cases, that statements against their faith, especially nasty ones, are statements against them, as well.I reserve “anti-” for those who have an obvious disdain for the people who bear the title of the group, which is why I grow mildly upset when I see certain individuals abuse the term to mean “those who disagree with me, even strongly, and who may or may not inaccurately describe my beliefs”. It’s not surprising to me in the least that those who tend to conflate anti-Catholicism with mere disagreement with the Church are usually those with some of the biggest persecution complexes I’ve yet to come across.
“Judaism is a filthy religion that teaches awful doctrines” is a pretty crass, though not anti-Semitic thing to say.
“Jews are a perfidious people hell bent on taking over the world!” is anti-Semitic.
“The Catholic Church is anti-Womyn and hates gays” is a pretty ignorant thing to say, worthy of a good eye-roll, but falls just short of truly being anti-Catholic.
“Catholics in America are mindless drones, loyal only to the Pope. Papists want to take over the United States!” is anti-Catholic.
Real anti-Catholicism, in my humble opinion, is very rare in the United States and most of the Western World today, especially so if we use the last couple hundred years as a benchmark.
I don’t see much difference between the first and second statements about the Catholic Church/Catholics. If the “Catholic Church” is “anti-Womyn and hates gays” therefore, I, as a faithful Catholic, hate women and gays.I reserve “anti-” for those who have an obvious disdain for the people who bear the title of the group, which is why I grow mildly upset when I see certain individuals abuse the term to mean “those who disagree with me, even strongly, and who may or may not inaccurately describe my beliefs”. It’s not surprising to me in the least that those who tend to conflate anti-Catholicism with mere disagreement with the Church are usually those with some of the biggest persecution complexes I’ve yet to come across.
“Judaism is a filthy religion that teaches awful doctrines” is a pretty crass, though not anti-Semitic thing to say.
“Jews are a perfidious people hell bent on taking over the world!” is anti-Semitic.
“The Catholic Church is anti-Womyn and hates gays” is a pretty ignorant thing to say, worthy of a good eye-roll, but falls just short of truly being anti-Catholic.
“Catholics in America are mindless drones, loyal only to the Pope. Papists want to take over the United States!” is anti-Catholic.
Real anti-Catholicism, in my humble opinion, is very rare in the United States and most of the Western World today, especially so if we use the last couple hundred years as a benchmark.
There are a lot of secularists who are anti-Catholic, in my opinion.I think an “anti-Catholic” must be a protestant who is attempting to convert Catholics to protestantism.
A Muslim (for example) might be opposed to the Church, but he would probably be equally opposed to any protestant faith. He might be considered anti-Christian, but not anti-Catholic.
I’m amenable to changing my opinion on whether nasty statements about a faith could reasonably be considered “anti”, but I will still take issue with the term being used for any statement “against a faith”.Well I think those on the receiving end of comments denigrating their beliefs might disagree with you. People don’t generally separate statements about their faith from themselves. They would assume, in most cases, that statements against their faith, especially nasty ones, are statements against them, as well.
Any group of people can be overly sensitive about other’s statements/opinions of them, I agree. Still, the motives of those making the statements/opinions and more, taking actions against a group, are open to debate. We cannot know each person’s heart, but we can see the results of bigotry and fear and persecution.I’m amenable to changing my opinion on whether nasty statements about a faith could reasonably be considered “anti”, but I will still take issue with the term being used for any statement “against a faith”.
If by “anti-Catholic” we mean any person who disagrees with the Catholic Church and voices that opposition, how is it functionally different from “non-Catholic”? Furthermore, what word should we use to denote actual persecution of Catholics?
I grew up in the Mormon tradition, and boy do “we” have a strong persecution complex! Granted, it could be argued that Mormon history predisposes one to such. Mormons were after all driven from town to town, there were localized and intermittent massacres against Mormon towns, there was a state-wide extermination order against the Mormons in Missouri, and ultimately the LDS Mormons were driven all the way to Utah. That is real anti-Mormonism.
None of this occurs today, yet one need not look very far to find 21st century Mormons here in America bandy about the term for anyone who speaks against Mormonism, even somewhat cordially! Even when I was a practicing Mormon I thought this was a very bad habit to get into as it (1) causes your detractors to take you even less seriously, and (2) minimizes the seriousness of real cases of anti-Mormonism. Sadly, I see many Catholics follow suit and it quite frankly makes us look foolish. What’s happening in Egypt and Syria is real anti-Christianity. What’s happening with the HHS mandate is not.
I see this same tendency with many gay activists too. Speak in favor of traditional marriage and you’re immediately labeled an anti-gay bigot. Then they wonder why so few conservative people give any credence to the label when it is used properly.
And yet a person could infer that conclusion about you and yet not want to harm you or politically/economically disenfranchise you.I don’t see much difference between the first and second statements about the Catholic Church/Catholics. If the “Catholic Church” is “anti-Womyn and hates gays” therefore, I, as a faithful Catholic, hate women and gays.
Yes, but they are also anti-Methodist and anti-Jewish and anti-everything_else that pertains to a religious faith. I consider them anti-religious, not anti-Catholic, because I consider anti-Catholics to be people who are specifically opposed to Catholics (not just to all theists).There are a lot of secularists who are anti-Catholic, in my opinion.