Meat: What you don't know can kill you

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I also recommend the King Corn. Informative and presented in an entertaining fashion.

I’ve started buying organic foods from local farms and such. Tastes better and doesn’t have all of the junk in it, and actually has nutritional value. Its actually made a noticeable impact on my health. Its also nice to know I’m helping local family farms.
Only problem is that, usually, organic foods cost more and have been proven to be no healther than non-organic foods.

Here is a report of the study, Organic food not healthier, study finds.

So what are you really paying for when you buy organic foods? Also, is there a standard as to what “organic” really means?
 
This thread has nothing to do with animal rights. Apparently you did not see the Larry King Show.

I suggest that you view the material before you respond. If you are not interested in the discussion, feel free to find another thread that captures your interest!!!

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No, I did not see the video, but I’ll bet dollars to doughnuts that this thread eventually gets around to it; meat is risky, don’t eat meat, eating meat is cruel to animals, etc. etc. I’ll eat my words (pun intended :D) if it doesn’t.
 
I like your approach very much. Myself, I am working towards a goal of eating meat from sources I am aware of, specifically meat not from factories but from companies that raise the animals openly and healthy, and then slaughter them in the most humane way possible when the time comes. Doing a net search will bring up plenty of meat companies that take this approach.

I also really like your idea of hunting for meat. A good friend of mine does this regularly, specifically deer and turkey. And of course, he fishes! I wish I had more time to do this, but it is something I will keep in mind for myself.
I’ll likely bring home plenty of deer and wild hog. Much leaner and healthier than their commercialized counterparts.

I have an uncle who insists that he will not eat any fish that he has not caught himself because of things he has seen and read about fish farms. He won’t order fish from a restaurant unless it says something like, “Wild Pacific…”, “Wild Atlantic…”, etc.

I’m not as strict but I’m getting there. Fish farms are just about as bad as cow farms.

Incidentally, my family owns a small ranch. 😊 I was there last weekend. Great time.

Ate catfish, bass, crappie that my uncle had caught.
 
Let’s cut out the smart remarks. The thread is about contaminatied meat.
 
No, I did not see the video, but I’ll bet dollars to doughnuts that this thread eventually gets around to it; meat is risky, don’t eat meat, eating meat is cruel to animals, etc. etc. I’ll eat my words (pun intended :D) if it doesn’t.
I’d say kill your meat yourself, even if you have to beat that wild hog to death with your bare hands. That will avoid the issue of factory contaminated meat.

Say a Hail Mary first.
 
The CNN video wouldn’t play for me,probably because of a javascript issue or something.

I only eat meat that is well done or very well done. That kills all the germs. The cold fact is that all of our food includes horrors in them. Mice fall into vats of peanut butter, and we end up eating 1/1000 of a mouse in the product. It’s disturbing but nothing new. Does anyone really know what foul things lurk in vegetables grown in unsanitary conditions?

At some point, you have to eat.

Your only options are to isolate yourself somehow, which is unrealistic. There is very little food out there that can be considered “pure”, whatever that means. Growing your own stuff is better, but I’m all about better living through chemistry. Besides, you’ll find pesticides invaluable when those green worms magically appear and attack your tomato plants.😦

I think cattle should be killed more humanely, but that’s not going to affect my diet. In the end, they are here to serve us.
 
There was a “Law and Order” episode about tainted meat causing the death of some children a few seasons ago. As I understand, the writers get a lot of their ideas out of the news.
 
It doesn’t matter.

If the food is properly prepared, there is no need for alarm.

The cook should well know the possibility of contamination and work around it.

I remember well working in a restaurant and watching employees fired for failing to adhere to the proper procedures and causing cross contamination.

I fail to see the sense in not holding the food preparer responsible for properly handling and preparing the food.
Yes, I know someone who used to work in restaurants who is a *maniac *about cleanliness in the kitchen. In restaurants, you have to be very careful about where you prepare the food, so if you cut up some raw meat on a cutting board, you cannot also use it for something that will be served raw like salad, *precisely *because of the chance that the meat, which will be cooked, will leave some germs which will get on the salad, which will not be cooked.

All these things are in place in restaurants for a reason, and that reason is to avoid exactly what happened here. Very sad, but yes, there was a failure *in the kitchen *if the children died from contaminated meat, because if it had been cooked properly, the germs would have all been killed and no one would have gotten sick.
 
Yes, it is a video, and it actually is pretty interesting to watch (some documentaries are rather boring). I have heard that if they don’t slaughter the cows soon enough, they will die anyways from all the corn they stuff them with.
The feedlot feeding of cows will kill them because they need hay or grass to keep everything in balance. Feeding them all that grain throws their system out of balance.

The other thing that happens as a result of the heavy grainfeeding is that their Omega-3s turn into Omega-6s. The former are good for us, the latter bad for us.
 
The feedlot feeding of cows will kill them because they need hay or grass to keep everything in balance. Feeding them all that grain throws their system out of balance.
The other thing that happens as a result of the heavy grainfeeding is that their Omega-3s turn into Omega-6s. The former are good for us, the latter bad for us.
This is simply not true, and I say that as a veterinarian. They would not produce as well as they do if “their system (was) out of balance”. Your statement is a gross misunderstanding of ruminant physiology.

But back to the topic. Contamination anywhere along the line from slaughterhouse to plate can cause problems if the meat is not cooked properly. It sounds gross (and it is), but a person could cook pus from an abscess in a cow and eat it and be fine if it was cooked properly. (You won’t find that in any cookbook, guaranteed!)

Does that mean we should avoid meat because it’s risky? Of course not. Precautions should be taken no matter what foodstuffs we eat, whether it be plant or animal matter. Problem is, when we eat out, we’re trusting someone else to oversee the proper handling and cooking of our food.
 
If anyone wants to look into this deeper, I’d recommend reading the book “Slaughterhouse”, by Gail Eisnitz.It’s an investigative report on modern slaughterhouse practices that looks at treatment of animals, treatment of workers and how contamination can come into play.
 
The CNN video wouldn’t play for me,probably because of a javascript issue or something.
I have no idea what a javascript issue is, but if you can’t access the video from the link, you can go directly to CNN.com. The name of the video is Is Meat Safe? It is a shortened version of the Larry King Show that was on a few nights ago. There are some parents and grandparents on, whose children died from eating E.coli tainted meat. One interesting case is that of a young child who died, not from eating the hamburger, but from visiting someone in the hospital who was recovering from E.coli poisoning. I was not aware that you could contract it from a person who is sick with it. Anyone familiar with this type of transference?
 
I have no idea what a javascript issue is, but if you can’t access the video from the link, you can go directly to CNN.com. The name of the video is Is Meat Safe? It is a shortened version of the Larry King Show that was on a few nights ago. There are some parents and grandparents on, whose children died from eating E.coli tainted meat. One interesting case is that of a young child who died, not from eating the hamburger, but from visiting someone in the hospital who was recovering from E.coli poisoning. I was not aware that you could contract it from a person who is sick with it. Anyone familiar with this type of transference?
Hospitals have all sorts of resistant, nasty bacteria around, which despite their best efforts can be spread through direct contact or contact with contaminated bedding, furniture, etc. E. coli is normally found only in the lower intestinal tract, but can infect other areas of the body.
 
Contaminated hamburger, yes. And just how does it get contaminated??? The general public does not know–and expects the food industry to protect them–when the food industry is doing things that increase the likelihood of contamination–all in the name of making the almighty dollar.

Should we roll the dice, cross our fingers, and hope that none of our families succumb to E.coli tainted beef? Or should we consumers learn more about what the big companies are doing, for our own protection, for the protection of all society?

The E.coli tainted produce comes from E.coli tainted water, which comes from the feces from the animals.

I completely disagree with putting the responsibility on the cook. We have more incidence of E.coli outbreaks today, because of practices within the food industry.
This can happen to any type of food. A food company near where I live in Michigan just had their alfepha sprouts recalled because of ecoli. So please don’t make this a vegatarianism is best arguement.
 
This is simply not true, and I say that as a veterinarian. They would not produce as well as they do if “their system (was) out of balance”. Your statement is a gross misunderstanding of ruminant physiology.

But back to the topic. Contamination anywhere along the line from slaughterhouse to plate can cause problems if the meat is not cooked properly. It sounds gross (and it is), but a person could cook pus from an abscess in a cow and eat it and be fine if it was cooked properly. (You won’t find that in any cookbook, guaranteed!)

Does that mean we should avoid meat because it’s risky? Of course not. Precautions should be taken no matter what foodstuffs we eat, whether it be plant or animal matter. Problem is, when we eat out, we’re trusting someone else to oversee the proper handling and cooking of our food.
Despite her misunderstanding of ruminant physiology, is it not correct that cow’s have difficulty digesting corn as opposed to grass–and that they produce more bacteria in response to the digestive difficulties?

The way that MEAT is produced TODAY, increases the likelihood of E.coli contamination. Why are you so quick to let the manufacturer off of the hook? Why all the onus on the cook?
 
This can happen to any type of food. A food company near where I live in Michigan just had their alfepha sprouts recalled because of ecoli. So please don’t make this a vegatarianism is best arguement.
I don’t know the details, but often when a crop is contaminated, it is because of animal products either in the groundwater or in fertilizers.
 
I don’t know the details, but often when a crop is contaminated, it is because of animal products either in the groundwater or in fertilizers.
Yes, exactly. And it all points back to the modern agri-business methods used to maximize profit at the cost of human health/lives. Feeding cattle corn increases E.coli in their guts, and ends up in the meat. Prior to WWII all cattle were grass fed (their natural food). This is not the case TODAY.

nbafoodadvocate.com/corn-fed-cattle-bigger-cows-bigger-e-coli-threat-more-foodborne-illness-1177
 
Despite her misunderstanding of ruminant physiology, is it not correct that cow’s have difficulty digesting corn as opposed to grass–and that they produce more bacteria in response to the digestive difficulties?

That is not correct.

The way that MEAT is produced TODAY, increases the likelihood of E.coli contamination. Why are you so quick to let the manufacturer off of the hook? Why all the onus on the cook?
The meat could be sterile and the cook could contaminate it. He or she pretty much has control over whether the meat is safe to eat, regardless of whether or not it comes contaminated from the producer. As I mentioned before, one can eat pus safely if it’s cooked correctly.

That’s not to say that there’s room for improvement or that the sanitary (or unsanitary) practices of some producers isn’t immoral or even criminal. But the cook is pretty much in control of the meat.
Yes, exactly. And it all points back to the modern agri-business methods used to maximize profit at the cost of human health/lives. Feeding cattle corn increases E/coli in their guts, and ends up in the meat. Prior to WWII all cattle were grass fed (their natural food). This is not the case TODAY.

Nope. Wrong.
Even if it did, that has no effect on the skeletal meat that’s eaten; the digestive tract is separated from the rest of the body; physiologically, the inside of the digestive tract is “outside” the body.

nbafoodadvocate.com/corn-fed-cattle-bigger-cows-bigger-e-coli-threat-more-foodborne-illness-1177
 
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