Medical marijuana in Illinois

  • Thread starter Thread starter wondrousgnat
  • Start date Start date
Status
Not open for further replies.
W

wondrousgnat

Guest
It looks like the state government will legalize it. The news media made it sound like an excellent idea, citing the most extreme examples for making it legal. Also citing that Illinois’ laws will be very strict.
Of course in a couple of years those strict laws will probably be loosened. And it is also regarded as a gateway drug to heroin and cocaine.
About 15-18 years ago a friend who is a pharmacist told me that the prescription drugs on the market are nonaddictive and do not affect driving making marijuana unimportent.

Also in Illinois gay marriage is under debate.

America’s slide into the abyss continues
 
No surprise there, considering the IL political climate. From what I understand, the medicinal properties in marijuana are accessible through the drug Marinol. But I surmise most advocates just want it legal to get high. But politicians have to “sell” a product using slippery tongued tactics. The contraception/abortifacient sales pitch is the same - they are trying to sell people on the drug for its effects on ovarian cancer (while ignoring or hiding the increased risk of breast, cervical, or liver cancer they cause), but I surmise most advocates want it for consequence-free sex. Give-us-more-drugs-and-sex-so-we-can-have-more-fun is really the underlying mantra.
 
wondrousgnat said:
It looks like the state government will legalize it. The news media made it sound like an excellent idea, citing the most extreme examples for making it legal. Also citing that Illinois’ laws will be very strict.
Of course in a couple of years those strict laws will probably be loosened. And it is also regarded as a gateway drug to heroin and cocaine.
About 15-18 years ago a friend who is a pharmacist told me that the prescription drugs on the market are nonaddictive and do not affect driving making marijuana unimportent.

Also in Illinois gay marriage is under debate.

America’s slide into the abyss continues
Click to expand...
Is marijuana still regarded as a gateway drug to heroin and cocaine? I thought that was disproved. Why not try (again) to outlaw alcohol as well as nicotine? Both have probably done more harm to the self and others than marijuana.
 
America must have really been in the abyss back in the 1800’s when marijuana was included in products available in stores.

I can’t see a thing wrong with terminal cancer patients using marijuana to ease their pain. It would be nice if a prescription drug could be made from marijuana.

Marijuana is just a plant that God made, and I fail to see why it is supposed to be so evil. In my opinion, many prescription drugs are much worse.

Although I have never used it myself, I can see better ways to use public money than to lock up people who use it.
 
Listener said:
America must have really been in the abyss back in the 1800’s when marijuana was included in products available in stores.

I can’t see a thing wrong with terminal cancer patients using marijuana to ease their pain. It would be nice if a prescription drug could be made from marijuana.

Marijuana is just a plant that God made, and I fail to see why it is supposed to be so evil. In my opinion, many prescription drugs are much worse.
Click to expand...
I agree on the medical usage of it. As to prescription drugs, we recently got a very large TV so I can now read the fine print on the ads being put out by pharma companies. How they got their products approved is beyond me. Solves 1 issue, causes 10 others and may sometimes kill you.
 
Listener said:
America must have really been in the abyss back in the 1800’s when marijuana was included in products available in stores.

I can’t see a thing wrong with terminal cancer patients using marijuana to ease their pain. It would be nice if a prescription drug could be made from marijuana.

Marijuana is just a plant that God made, and I fail to see why it is supposed to be so evil. In my opinion, many prescription drugs are much worse.

Although I have never used it myself, I can see better ways to use public money than to lock up people who use it.
Click to expand...
Agree with everything here…100%.
 
Medical marijuana laws must be very carefully thought out and crafted. Recently in Michigan, the use of medica marijuana was approved, but oversight and enforcement has been a clusterflop.

Morally, it would seem no more or less moral to use for treatment or management of illness than any other prescription medication that has an abuse potential.
 
We’re on the information super-highway and speculation wins the day? C’mon folks. How hard is it to do a little research? No, there are pharmaceutical products that are addictive. Painkillers can be addictive.

The active ingredient in marijuana is available in pill form. It’s called Marinol.

justice.gov/dea/divisions/sea/in_focus/marinol-cessmet.pdf

I think lawmakers are stupid if they think they can make a buck off of legal marijuana. Say a pack of ten joints costs $20.00, including tax. The street dealers are (A) going to undercut Bob’s Dope House down the street AND (B) he’ll also be selling other “Fun” recreational drugs as well. Buy some weed, a few uppers, maybe a little cocaine. And, of course, “certain people” will not want to end up on dope house security cameras going in and buying some. It might be used against them in court for various reasons.

And workplace drug testing. Is that out the window? I don’t think insurance companies will look the other way if your boss lets you smoke dope on your lunch break and then you injure yourself on the job.

Aging Hippies and some radical anarchists may think they’ve won a victory. They should just call their local drug rehab center and convince them that marijuana use is perfectly safe.

drug-rehabs.com/marijuana.htm

And our hospital beds, which already have enough people in them for alcohol dependence, don’t need marijuana dependent patients.

I got the freedom to mess up my mind and body? That’s freedom?

“Doctor, I have these splitting headaches every day. Is there anything you can do?”

Well, what do you think may be causing them?

“Uh, I do hit hit my head against the wall a few times a day.”

Then stop doing that. You can pay the receptionist on the way out.

Peace,
Ed
 
Listener said:
America must have really been in the abyss back in the 1800’s when marijuana was included in products available in stores.

I can’t see a thing wrong with terminal cancer patients using marijuana to ease their pain. It would be nice if a prescription drug could be made from marijuana.

Marijuana is just a plant that God made, and I fail to see why it is supposed to be so evil. In my opinion, many prescription drugs are much worse.

Although I have never used it myself, I can see better ways to use public money than to lock up people who use it.
Click to expand...
This. 👍
 
edwest2 said:
The active ingredient in marijuana is available in pill form. It’s called Marinol.

justice.gov/dea/divisions/sea/in_focus/marinol-cessmet.pdf
Click to expand...
Unfortunately, marinol doesn’t always adequately help patients when marijuana does, and it is very expensive.
edwest2 said:
Say a pack of ten joints costs $20.00, including tax. The street dealers are (A) going to undercut Bob’s Dope House down the street AND (B) he’ll also be selling other “Fun” recreational drugs as well. Buy some weed, a few uppers, maybe a little cocaine.
Click to expand...
That has not happened when alcohol prohibition was repealed. It was possible for the mafia to sell liquor for cheaper then bars, since the mafia doesn’t pay liquor taxes, yet people generally prefer to go the legal route even if it means paying a tax. Most people consider the tax a worthwhile price to pay for safety (when you buy liquor at a bar, you can safely assume it isn’t spiked with another drug, and you don’t have to deal with a shady person).
edwest2 said:
They should just call their local drug rehab center and convince them that marijuana use is perfectly safe.

drug-rehabs.com/marijuana.htm
Click to expand...
One should realize that a lot of the reason why people go to rehab for marijuana are purely legal reasons (for example, one is forced to go to rehab as part of a probation sentence or plea bargain). For the record, I don’t think marijuana is harmless, but on the flip side I don’t think it is more harmful than tobacco cigarettes.

I don’t like marijuana, but as a taxpayer, I don’t want my tax dollars to go towards locking people up for using that drug, especially if it is for medical purposes.
 
Biblepoe said:
Unfortunately, marinol doesn’t always adequately help patients when marijuana does, and it is very expensive.

That has not happened when alcohol prohibition was repealed. It was possible for the mafia to sell liquor for cheaper then bars, since the mafia doesn’t pay liquor taxes, yet people generally prefer to go the legal route even if it means paying a tax. Most people consider the tax a worthwhile price to pay for safety (when you buy liquor at a bar, you can safely assume it isn’t spiked with another drug, and you don’t have to deal with a shady person).

One should realize that a lot of the reason why people go to rehab for marijuana are purely legal reasons (for example, one is forced to go to rehab as part of a probation sentence or plea bargain). For the record, I don’t think marijuana is harmless, but on the flip side I don’t think it is more harmful than tobacco cigarettes.

I don’t like marijuana, but as a taxpayer, I don’t want my tax dollars to go towards locking people up for using that drug, especially if it is for medical purposes.
Click to expand...
Doesn’t work, especially when I can go to one of those bioponic stores and grow my own and sell some to my buddies for less than those tax dollars the government’s expecting. All my buddies trust me, since I was a former illegal dope dealer anyway and never sold them anything bad.

Peace,
Ed
 
edwest2 said:
Doesn’t work, especially when I can go to one of those bioponic stores and grow my own and sell some to my buddies for less than those tax dollars the government’s expecting. All my buddies trust me, since I was a former illegal dope dealer anyway and never sold them anything bad.
Click to expand...
People can make their own alcohol for cheaper than paying liquor taxes, yet that doesn’t keep most alcohol consumers from paying liquor taxes.
 
wondrousgnat said:
It looks like the state government will legalize it. The news media made it sound like an excellent idea, citing the most extreme examples for making it legal. Also citing that Illinois’ laws will be very strict.
Of course in a couple of years those strict laws will probably be loosened. And it is also regarded as a gateway drug to heroin and cocaine.
About 15-18 years ago a friend who is a pharmacist told me that the prescription drugs on the market are nonaddictive and do not affect driving making marijuana unimportent.

Also in Illinois gay marriage is under debate.

America’s slide into the abyss continues
Click to expand...
Medical marijuana went into effect in MA recently after it was passed as a voting ballot question. MA decriminalized marijuana several years back, like 10 years ago, making anything under one ounce (which is quite a lot of marijuana for everyone except chronic smokers who basically smoke it several times ever day) an offence where one recieves a fine of something like $150. When that went into effect I expected to see a lot of changes, for example, since there are a ton of colleges in MA I expected to see many college students smoking mj the day that decrim went into effect. I saw NO ONE smoking it in public that day. There were several articles in the papers, including people writing in letters to the editors, seemingly in a sort of worried frenzy raising issues likie “There are not even any tickets for this for the police to use to write the fines on!?!” , “what about possessing it by smoking it in public, this wasn’t addressed specifically in the law!!!” as well as other concerns.

I am no more concerned about mj smoking in MA today than I was prior to it being decriminalized. And actually I have not once smelled mj anywhere during my travels in and around Boston walking or on the subway, etc. Not once. Granted I don’t go to concerns and things of that nature where I hear people do smoke it, but I didn’t go to those things before.

I had my grandmother die of cancer when I was 18. My family is so screwed up that I was the one who took days off from high school (rather than any of her children- including my mother taking her to her chemo tx appt’s). Now I was happy to do it, just pointing out that my family is uncaring. I also was happy to purchase mj for her after her cancer dr told her she should smoke it to combat the nausea from chemo. He even let her smoke it in a provate room in the hospital before getting the treatment, and this was in 1985 when only 5 people in the USA were legally allowed t smoke mj for medical reasons. The gov’t turned me and my dying grandmother into criminals, that is a crying shame.

If one does their research one will find that when doctors from the AMA are asked to sit in front of committee’s from congress when bills proposing additional restrictions be put on this or that drug that very consistently the AMA doctors have either been against the bills outright, or held the opinion that the laws proposed should be less strict.

Am I supposed to believe that gov’t suits know better than doctors when it comes to drugs (all medications are also drugs)???

It’s ridiculous.

God Bless,
Bill
 
The big problem is this: how come we’re so eager to medicate ourselves out of this baleful society?

. . . and sure, alcohol IS a gateway drug.

Legalizing dope is a dumb idea whose time has come. Trust the “Progressives” to make society lose ground.
 
Listener said:
America must have really been in the abyss back in the 1800’s when marijuana was included in products available in stores.

I can’t see a thing wrong with terminal cancer patients using marijuana to ease their pain. It would be nice if a prescription drug could be made from marijuana.

Marijuana is just a plant that God made, and I fail to see why it is supposed to be so evil. In my opinion, many prescription drugs are much worse.

Although I have never used it myself, I can see better ways to use public money than to lock up people who use it.
Click to expand...
God also made tobacco, did he not?

Marijuana can be misused and all someone has to do is lie about a condition and get a “prescription” for medical marijuana.

There are better ways to manage pain…the Rain Forests are full of natural plants that can help with pain management.
 
Wow, I never thought a nation could go to Hell so quickly and so fast. Just 4 years ago, states were adamant against the bastardization of marriage and dope-smoking. Now it seems they are giddy about legalizing those things. I wonder if burning Christians will become next on the agenda…may God save us. 😦
 
wondrousgnat said:
It looks like the state government will legalize it. The news media made it sound like an excellent idea, citing the most extreme examples for making it legal. Also citing that Illinois’ laws will be very strict.
Of course in a couple of years those strict laws will probably be loosened. And it is also regarded as a gateway drug to heroin and cocaine.
About 15-18 years ago a friend who is a pharmacist told me that the prescription drugs on the market are nonaddictive and do not affect driving making marijuana unimportent.

Also in Illinois gay marriage is under debate.

America’s slide into the abyss continues
Click to expand...
In 1985 when my grandmother’s oncologist recommended she smoke marijuana to combat the nausea experienced from the chemotherapy treatments she was receiving, I can assure you it was not a gateway for her, except a gateway to alleviate some degree of discomfort from a dying older lady so she could actually eat every once in a while.

And the notion of a ‘gateway drug’ in and of itself is kind of silly when you actually take a look at the concept with an open mind. Marijuana being the least risky, least scary drug out there, of course anyone who wants to try a drug will try marijuana an not heroin or crack as their first drug experimented with. Many try mj and simply stick with that, a lesser ammt of ppl go on to harder drugs as well. Just like many other things with a degree of risk, take sky diving for example. Is the person going to try it on their own rather than a static chord that automatically pulls their shute the first time they try it? Are they going to do it from the highest possible point the first time they try it? Are they going to engage in arial acrobatics the first time? Etc…
No, they start with the least risky way first and then some of them go on to do more risky, scarier ways of skydiving but many stick with the simple methods.

I hope no one in your family gets cancer where chemo is recommended. It is horrible. I was 18 and was the one who took my grandmother to her chemo appt’s. I was also the one who bought marijuana for her. The gov’t made me and her criminals when her dr recommened she smoke it, and this was when there were only 5 people in the entire USA who were able to smoke it legally for medical reasons (I know because I started to do research when the gov’t turned me into a criminal for assisting my grandmother in stopping some of her suffering as she wasted away down to 60lbs before dying.

God Bless,
Bill
 
People used to live in a rural society, small towns and rarely going more then a few miles from home. Now we are urban with a great variet of transportation and can meet many more people. Then comes no-fault divorce, multiple marriages and divorces. Contraception and abortion. Once couples living together was hidden and now unmarried couples with children are just casually regarded as a family unit. All contributing the a change in the concept of marriage and family.

Now gays want to get married. Sure some straights want to feel “compassionate.” And I don’t doubt that some gays want to feel that their relationship is “blessed by God.” Others, I am sure, want a church wedding simply to promote an agenda. No doubt that some independent churches, denominations and individual ministers will agree to it. Soon more will follow and the pressure will be put on the rest. Then entertainment tv, news commentators and the news media will label those which don’t as out of touch with the times and bigoted. And those churches will be put in another awkward situation: if gays can adopt what about Sunday School, baptism, confirmation, bat mitzvah, etc.?

Also I have not doubt that eventually we will see activists for polygamy, group marriage, incestuous marriage and maybe even marriage to animals.

So then what is marriage? It can mean anything an individual wants it to mean. It can mean anything or it can mean nothing. We just want to refuse it to mean what God wants it to mean.
 
edwest2 said:
We’re on the information super-highway and speculation wins the day? C’mon folks. How hard is it to do a little research? No, there are pharmaceutical products that are addictive. Painkillers can be addictive.

The active ingredient in marijuana is available in pill form. It’s called Marinol.

justice.gov/dea/divisions/sea/in_focus/marinol-cessmet.pdf

I think lawmakers are stupid if they think they can make a buck off of legal marijuana. Say a pack of ten joints costs $20.00, including tax. The street dealers are (A) going to undercut Bob’s Dope House down the street AND (B) he’ll also be selling other “Fun” recreational drugs as well. Buy some weed, a few uppers, maybe a little cocaine. And, of course, “certain people” will not want to end up on dope house security cameras going in and buying some. It might be used against them in court for various reasons.

And workplace drug testing. Is that out the window? I don’t think insurance companies will look the other way if your boss lets you smoke dope on your lunch break and then you injure yourself on the job.

Aging Hippies and some radical anarchists may think they’ve won a victory. They should just call their local drug rehab center and convince them that marijuana use is perfectly safe.

drug-rehabs.com/marijuana.htm

And our hospital beds, which already have enough people in them for alcohol dependence, don’t need marijuana dependent patients.

I got the freedom to mess up my mind and body? That’s freedom?

“Doctor, I have these splitting headaches every day. Is there anything you can do?”

Well, what do you think may be causing them?

“Uh, I do hit hit my head against the wall a few times a day.”

Then stop doing that. You can pay the receptionist on the way out.

Peace,
Ed
Click to expand...
If the pot sellers undercut the government, that would take so much money out of the hands of the drug cartels that the murder rate would go down in Mexico so much that it would be a victory for the pro-life movement. That decrease would be greater than the actual documented health failings of pot. Also would put a lot of prison guards and defense attorneys out of work .
 
I hope everyone realizes that police get calls ALL THE TIME for alcohol related incidents (spousal abuse, bar fights, drunks at parties fighting, drunks at parties making too much noise, etc) and rarely if ever get calls for marijuana disturbances…what…they are making too much noice crunching cheetos? And this is about med mj, californias med mj is a joke but the law passed in MA this year is very strict. Very strict. No one will be able to scam it.

Alcohol causes tons, TONS of problems for the users//abusers and innocent victimes. Marijuana very rarely does. I don’t smoke it, but would rather people smoke it than get drunk, much less risk to me and my family.

Peace,
Bill
 
Status
Not open for further replies.
Back
Top