Medical Marijuana

[LongingSoul]

Originally Posted by glendab
hello Cricket.

What if it is prescribed to them for insomnia or anxiety as are the majority of current prescriptions? If it is a legitimate medication but is known to have physical affects for up to 5 days in the body, will a pilot still be able to fly a commercial plane? Will the rules of intoxication with regards to operating vehicles and machinery just change to accept a positive marijuana reading? Because otherwise an enormous number of people with these conditions who are legally using should be barred from any job that involves absense of drugs in their system.

 

[glendab]

Hello Ed. Thanks for the links. Good stuff. Except I cannot get the link to the DEA to work. Got another?

Glenda

 

[dee_burk]

What if it is prescribed to them for insomnia or anxiety as are the majority of current prescriptions? If it is a legitimate medication but is known to have physical affects for up to 5 days in the body, will a pilot still be able to fly a commercial plane? Will the rules of intoxication with regards to operating vehicles and machinery just change to accept a positive marijuana reading? Because otherwise an enormous number of people with these conditions who are legally using should be barred from any job that involves absense of drugs in their system.

i realize that THC is fat soluble and will stay in the system longer than many drugs on most DAU testing panels. This would be something the user would need to be made aware of by the prescribing provider and they would need to also be aware of their employment policies.

 

[heal12]

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[Nacho45]

There may be some medicinal aspects to it but the idea of smoking anything to improve health is ludicrous. Marijuana extracts can be taken orally but all we keep hearing about is the “right to smoke pot”.

It was for no other purpose than to open the door to recreational use and decriminalization.

 

[Tigg]

These type of fear-based what-if scenarios are feeble at best.

Oh no they aren’t!** ** We happen to live in one of the states that legalized *recreational *marijuana. The long-term problems and safety concerns are just beginning…even with the kids.

 

[Tigg]

It was for no other purpose than to open the door to recreational use and decriminalization.

It’s all about the $$$$$$. Our state is experiencing a tax windfall from the sales that is unbelievable…and just as the Democrats wanted.

 

[eltonej]

Oh no they aren’t!**** We happen to live in one of the states that legalized *recreational *marijuana. The long-term problems and safety concerns are just beginning…even with the kids.

I also live in a Retail Marijuana State and I see none of those problems. Please be specific.

 

[glendab]

Hello Tigg.

It’s all about the $$$$$$. Our state is experiencing a tax windfall from the sales that is unbelievable…and just as the Democrats wanted.

My heart goes out to you. You’re right and I’ll add that all they care about is the money sales of pot will bring in in the form of taxes and not the very real harms it will do to the population that they supposedly represent. Most folks are against pot sales for all reasons but most folks don’t count anymore. Minority rule.

Glenda

 

[Tigg]

I also live in a Retail Marijuana State and I see none of those problems. Please be specific.

Since this thread is about medical marijuana, I didn’t want to derail the topic. I will make one post since you asked. Emergency room visits increasing due to the “edibles” such as cookies and candy including reported deaths and a suicide. Hash explosions happening even in rural and mountain towns and some parents have now been charged with child endangerment. A report of 10 yr olds trying to actually sell their grandparents marijuana stash at school! The advent of smokeless wand devices that cannot be seen or smelled. A teacher friend of mine took two of her 6th grade students to the principal after wondering why they were sucking on their “pens.” And as if alcohol and texting are not danger enough on the road, there are the pot smokers to contend with who are being stopped for erratic driving. Oh and did I mention there are now news reports of marijuana being transported across state lines? We are becoming our own drug cartel (so to speak.) And some of the smaller towns now have the distinction of being in the “hub” of marijuana distribution which has the residents in a fury.

 

[Tigg]

Hello Tigg.

My heart goes out to you. You’re right and I’ll add that all they care about is the money sales of pot will bring in in the form of taxes and not the very real harms it will do to the population that they supposedly represent. Most folks are against pot sales for all reasons but most folks don’t count anymore. Minority rule.

Glenda

Thank you for your concern. We are natives and have wonderful neighbors, but my husband is furious that our state has become the brunt of sick jokes and questionable motives. The hash dispensaries are popping up all over and it is so sad to see what used to be pretty countryside now a glaring advertisement for the pot industry.

I saw a bumper sticker the other day with two marijuana fronds that read, “The elevation isn’t the only thing high in Colorado.” What an accolade for otherwise decent folk, wouldn’t ya say?

 

[Tom_Baum]

I’m going to answer this way: The notion of a “medicinal” use for Pot was dumb before I became a Catholic and it seems just as dumb now. Why do you think they call it dope?

Glenda

Do you also consider the ““medicinal” use” of opium and cocaine to be “dumb”?

Do you think that those that might find some relief thru “Medical Marijuana” should have to suffer because those that are against it for themselves feel that others should not have the option to use it?

 

[Tom_Baum]

Hello Tigg.

My heart goes out to you. You’re right and I’ll add that all they care about is the money sales of pot will bring in in the form of taxes and not the very real harms it will do to the population that they supposedly represent. Most folks are against pot sales for all reasons but most folks don’t count anymore. Minority rule.

Glenda

You wrote, “Most folks are against pot sales for all reasons but most folks don’t count anymore. Minority rule.”, you may or may not be right concerning “most” but “majority rule” can be and is at times nothing more than “mob rule”, I could be wrong but did you pick this “Most folks are against pot sales for all reasons” out of thin air?

Even if it is true, since it has been PROVEN to help at least some, shouldn’t it be up to the person to make up their own mind concerning this?

 

[Iheartcoffee]

When used appropriately to treat a problem there is nothing wrong with it. The key would be to treat it like any other actual drug in the pharmacy. Lots of completely normal drugs in the pharmacy can be misused and cause more harm than marijuana. Based on the neuroscience and pharmacology classes I had to take in school, it is actually a very safe way to relieve pain and nausea when used appropriately. It can have a very good effect on people that are extremely ill, and the high can be mitigated to a large extent with proper dosing and certain routes of use. Thus, allowing as much relief as possible with as little side effects as possible. It is possible to use it in the medical field without turning the entire hospital into avid subscribers of “High Times”.

The recreational use masquerading as “medical” that we see in some states where you can walk into the “right” doctor’s office, complain that you feel a little depressed and walk right out with a rx is NOT real “medical marijuana”. That’s a lot of recreational users that found a loophole.

 

[LongingSoul]

Do you also consider the ““medicinal” use” of opium and cocaine to be “dumb”?

Do you think that those that might find some relief thru “Medical Marijuana” should have to suffer because those that are against it for themselves feel that others should not have the option to use it?

All other medically used drugs are processed to isolate the effective element, strictly dose regulated, administered orally or intravenously and dispensed in a highly controlled way to be an ethical health product. If marijuana was subjected to such controls and dispensed by the pharmacists I don’t think many people would have a problem with it at all. Why do people resist these proper controls on a supposed medical product? I think we all know why.

 

[LongingSoul]

You wrote, “Most folks are against pot sales for all reasons but most folks don’t count anymore. Minority rule.”, you may or may not be right concerning “most” but “majority rule” can be and is at times nothing more than “mob rule”, I could be wrong but did you pick this “Most folks are against pot sales for all reasons” out of thin air?

America is not actually ‘the whole world’. Most of the world rejects marijuana as a positive thing for society an uphold its illegality.

Even if it is true, since it has been PROVEN to help at least some, shouldn’t it be up to the person to make up their own mind concerning this?

Most of the world rely on legitimate drug testing and trials and highly regulated use of medical products either chemical or organic and don’t advise dragging toxic substances into the body and mind, to assist the ill. They don’t rely on the drug cartels.

 

[glendab]

Hello Tom.

You wrote, “Most folks are against pot sales for all reasons but most folks don’t count anymore. Minority rule.”, you may or may not be right concerning “most” but “majority rule” can be and is at times nothing more than “mob rule”, I could be wrong but did you pick this “Most folks are against pot sales for all reasons” out of thin air?

Even if it is true, since it has been PROVEN to help at least some, shouldn’t it be up to the person to make up their own mind concerning this?

Nice to hear form you again.

Look if you won’t take my word for it, why not take the Holy See’s : **No Medical Marijuana at Vatican Pharmacy May 23, 2002

VATICAN, May 23, 02 (CWNews.com) – The Vatican’s pharmacy will not fill prescriptions for medical marijuana, it has announced.

In a public statement released on Thursday, the Vatican pharmacy said that it would not stock or sell medicines based on cannabis, the plant that yields marijuana. The pharmacy pointed out that there are many medical alternatives available for the relief of pain. The pharmacy sells many such medications-- including a few that are not available in other pharmacies in Italy.

Because there were rumors and reports that cannabis-based drugs could be used in the treatment of glaucoma, the Vatican pharmacy said that it released today’s statements “to avoid persistent questions and to stem useless hopes.” The short statement made it clear: “Such medication has never been for sale here, nor in the possession of this establishment.” **
catholicculture.org/news/features/index.cfm?recnum=18206

The feigned use of pot for “medicinal” reasons is just that* feigned*. Folks feel better when stoned, and docs who have no problem dispensing Valium and Prozac like they are candy will have no problem prescribing “medicinal” pot either. Keep in mind the portion of the drug addicted population that abuses prescription drugs. It is actually greater than street drugs here in the good ole USA. Dope is for dopes.

Glenda

 

[LongingSoul]

Hello Tom.

Nice to hear form you again.

Look if you won’t take my word for it, why not take the Holy See’s : **No Medical Marijuana at Vatican Pharmacy May 23, 2002

VATICAN, May 23, 02 (CWNews.com) – The Vatican’s pharmacy will not fill prescriptions for medical marijuana, it has announced.

In a public statement released on Thursday, the Vatican pharmacy said that it would not stock or sell medicines based on cannabis, the plant that yields marijuana. The pharmacy pointed out that there are many medical alternatives available for the relief of pain. The pharmacy sells many such medications-- including a few that are not available in other pharmacies in Italy.

Because there were rumors and reports that cannabis-based drugs could be used in the treatment of glaucoma, the Vatican pharmacy said that it released today’s statements “to avoid persistent questions and to stem useless hopes.” The short statement made it clear: “Such medication has never been for sale here, nor in the possession of this establishment.” **
catholicculture.org/news/features/index.cfm?recnum=18206

The feigned use of pot for “medicinal” reasons is just that* feigned*. Folks feel better when stoned, and docs who have no problem dispensing Valium and Prozac like they are candy will have no problem prescribing “medicinal” pot either. Keep in mind the portion of the drug addicted population that abuses prescription drugs. It is actually greater than street drugs here in the good ole USA. Dope is for dopes.

Glenda

I’m really glad to know the Vatican has spoken directly to this issue. It leaves no doubt about the Catholic view of ‘medical’ marijuana.

 

[edwest2]

Another citation:

drugabuse.gov/sites/default/files/drugfactsmarijuana2014.pdf

Peace,
Ed

 

[glendab]

Please note how OLD the Vatican’s determination is - 2002 A.D. They were way ahead of everybody on this issue. Get with the program folks!

Glenda