Medjugorje - A True Confession

[prodigal-sun]

Tominellay:

…hehehehe…

 

[setter]

prodigal-sun:

What motivates this accusations towards this group? I glanced quickly through the home page and did not see anything outright unexceptable.

Are they not in union with the Holy See?

Peace!

I wrote Unity Press. It is actually Unity Publishing. Here is the link if you care to check it out:

http://unitypublishing.com/

 

[pbaylis]

You are taking it upon yourself to drive a wedge by equating misdemenour on the part of clergy with (ordinary human weakness at worst) with bad fruit in general. You pick on such venial issues as Vicka having a smoke at the very beginning of the apparitions!!! to give the appearance of bad fruits in general. None of us are angels yet. Take a look at the visionaries NOW, not when they were still frightened normal children. I believe NONE of them smokes anymore. How’s that for good fruit.

You are very very naughty if I may say so. Downright dangerous. And please don’t take that as a compliment to feel that you are on some martyr’s mission yourself to reveal some “truth”.

Rather than pass any judgment now and releasing all your little bugs and maggots of division, LET PEOPLE GO TO MEDJUGORJE IN PEACE AND WAIT YOURSELF FOR THE PROMISED SIGN OF GOD. Let God Himself judge any sin or misdemeanour on the part of any clergy or visionary. No-one has been forbidden from going to Medjugorje by the Vatican, yet by your activities on this board, you are effectively dissuading people from going and helping to create division.

Lux_et_veritas:

I have responded many times about the good fruits arguments. Perhaps you have missed it. Here is my response again:

Good fruits alone are not a true measure of authenticity. Rather, it is the weighing of good and bad fruits together. As the French Bishops pointed out, and as they 1978 criteria for discernment of apparitions (Vatican criteria) points out, events must be judged. This is what Bishop Zanic did in the earliest days of his investigation - judge the events. What does the diocese document with regards to the events? That one of the chilcren, I believe Vicka, lied right in her first sworn testimony to him when she told him they were out in the field tending the sheep. After being reminded that she was under oath, she “clarified” her statement to reflect that they had been out behind some barn having a smoke.

History has shown that of all authenticated apparitions, the Blessed Mother has not appeared to anyone in the midst of an unvirtuous activity. Because these were minor children, smoking was not a light matter. Lying to the bishop to protect one’s hide makes it even worse. As Bishop Zanic said, no one wanted to believe in the authenticity of Medjugorje more than he did. He was very Marian, having been many times to Fatima and Lourdes and as he once pointed out, what bishop would not want an authentic apparition in his diocese, if it coudl be proven.

People are innocently being led astray by their emotions, often driven by propoganda which, when digging in to details, often proves false. One such example is that of Fr. Jozo Zovko when he was invited to say Mass at the National Shrine in DC. Look how deceptive one major website is in only showing some of the information with supporters:

medugorje.com/misc/jozo.html

Now contrast that with the respectable job done by this pro-Medjugorje site to put out the truth even though it shows how wrong Fr. Jozo and the Franciscan Order is with regards to his status. Read the full page all the way to the bottom. This website, seeking truth, is still waiting for an answer to a valid question they posed to Fr. Slavko Soldo, provincial of Fr. Jozo’s order.

medjugorjecenter.org/maillist/archivemsg.php?n=114

While I disagree with the promotion of Medjugorje done on this last site, I completely respect the job they have done in putting out the full gamut.

The former web site also acknowledges (next to the “saintly-like” photo of Fr. Jozo) that he travels around spreading the messages of Medjugorje. This is a Franciscan priest who took a vow of obedience, who is violating a 1985 directive from the Bishop of Mostar-Duvno to cease publication and spread of “messages” attributed to the “gospa of Medjugorje”. Not only are the messages being provided through an act of disobedience on the part of seers, they are being spread in an act of disobedience.

This flies in the face of what we know about obedience tests which showed the extraordinary levels of virtue in people like St. Pio, St. Faustina, St. Bernadette, among many others. The Obedience test is one of the most common parts of any serious discernment process because Satan is incapable of obedience and God graces those whom he chooses to have heavenly visions to obey.

 

[Catherine_Grant]

Thread closed to allow the
charity level to rise and
tempers to fall.

 

[blessedstar]

I am going to re-iterate an earlier post of mine because truly this thread is not doing anyone any good and is creating division between people, that is not a good thing…It would be better if all Catholics stood back and watched and waited …

**All these posts later (many more later) and still no-one knows beyond all doubt whether this is a true apparition or not. It is dangerous to err on either side and Catholics should reserve any judgement at all until the Church makes declaration and upon declaration, follow that obediently.

When a person gets a bee in their bonnet for what they think is a just reason, the bee can turn around and in true justice sting them!

I have read through most of the posts here and I don’t want to be convinced here by either parties claiming true or false in regards to these alledged experiences. I hope no-one is hurt by their attachment to these apparitions and messages and I hope no-one regrets speaking out against a possible act of God and that is what is at risk when Catholics plunge in without being prudent and waiting for the Majesterium to speak.

I’m not trying to spoil the applecart here but it would be best not to discuss such topics as this even though the debate has been civil.

In my prayers**