Mega Mosque in London

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Well, I think we’re wasting our time here! LDN Catholic is only 18 and obviously a product of the terrible multicultural society that proclaims that all forms of governments are the same and all religions likewise! They see no reason to fight for their freedoms or anything else. I suppose to people who think that way there is no difference, for example between Europeans, head hunters or cannibals! They’re all the same!:rolleyes:

He’s already been brainwashed into thinking that Muslims pray for the unbelievers and like them! What naivete! He doesn’t even care if Muslims take over England! He doesn’t even realize that if the satanic cult of Islam takes over, freedom will end. He even subscribes to the notion that it’s only a “minority” of Muslims that are doing bad things! Say goodbye to music, and theaters, sports like cricket and so on! Then you’ll be able to enjoy real blood sports like stoning adulterers to death, cutting the hands of thieves’ and other wonderful pastimes as those and once again heads will roll and will be displayed on pikes! Think of the fun!:mad:

Where multiculturalism breeds, there is no longer any patriotism!
 
I don’t think all forms of governments are the same, and i know that my religion is the one true form of worship as described in the Bible, without exception. The difference between Europeans and cannibals? well one is a term denoting a people originating from the continent of Europe and the other is something that some people do to other people. It is only a minority and many muslims do pray for us. I don’t agree with Sharia law in the UK and neither do a lot of Muslims i know. And I openly admit I’m not patriotic to England. I was born here, I love the people that live in this country whether they be black, white, yellow, brown, pink, green; and whatever their religion, but i wouldn’t die for England.

Incidentally, cricket: played by a lot of Muslims, probably not going to be gotten rid of, pity, its a really bad sport.
 
I cannot argue against the mosque. It’s not our business to be fighting it.

But that a church is to be taken down to build it ires me. Reminds me of when they destroyed the Holy Sepulchre in Jerusalem, all those centuries ago. :mad:
 
inJESUS said:
grant religious freedom to Hindu, Buddhist, ecc. but Islam IS DIFFERENT…islam is not only a “religion”, it’s a way of life that will be imposed on you whether you like it or not. Am not being prejudiced, i live it !!
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I agree. I may not be studying Islamic faith for too long but as of what I see, you’re right. It sounds prejudgemntal but there are people in this forum that I trust more than others. People who has credible and rational posts (many have credible references to back-up their statements). And from their posts, I learn a little faster. I don’t wanna be an anti-Muslim, the last thing I want to do is to discriminate. But I sure wouldn’t want to be in an age where Isalm is a governing and cumpulsory religion of the world.

However, if that happens, I would die for my Catholic Christian faith!
 
LDNCatholic said:
I don’t think all forms of governments are the same, and i know that my religion is the one true form of worship as described in the Bible, without exception. The difference between Europeans and cannibals? well one is a term denoting a people originating from the continent of Europe and the other is something that some people do to other people. It is only a minority and many muslims do pray for us.
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Oh yes, they pray for you, they hope you’ll go to hell! Haven’t you ever heard of “taqqiya”? Muslims will lie to the unbelievers with the greatest of ease!
I don’t agree with Sharia law in the UK and neither do a lot of Muslims i know.
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And again you believe them! If Islam takes over, sharia will be implemented no matter what you think!
And I openly admit I’m not patriotic to England. I was born here, I love the people that live in this country whether they be black, white, yellow, brown, pink, green; and whatever their religion, but i wouldn’t die for England.
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Yes, folks, if Islam does not destroy Europe, multiculturalism will! How disgusting!
Incidentally, cricket: played by a lot of Muslims, probably not going to be gotten rid of, pity, its a really bad sport.
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But don’t forget all the other goodies I mentioned that you’ll be able to enjoy, not to mention women being forced to wear those disgusting sheets and being used as sex slaves!

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Who cares let them build their mosque, if Catholicism is true you have nothing to worry about from a mosque being built.

London is no longer a “Christian” land, it is completely secular, any religion has just as much of a right to build a place of worship as the next. Lord knows the British are’t using the Churches, may as well build a Mosque, maybe they’ll use that.
 
Taqqiyah is a tradition found within the Shia and Druze sects of Islam, used in order to protect the believers when they are under persecution. Many Sunnis (the majority of Muslims) believe it to be a lack of faith in God’s protection.

Multiculturalism: a society containing a mulititude of cultures, to me, this is excellent, without it i wouldn’t have been concieved, I dont really want to argue with it.

As Saint_Michael said, if the church is unused it doesn’t need to be there. Let the government do what they will with it, its just a building.
 
LDNCatholic,

Please don’t just blow off what these people are saying as false. I was in the same boat as you (more or less) at one point - When I was 18 it turned out my first friends in college happened to be Muslims and I really bought this whole “religion of peace” stuff. More than anything, I hoped that I could focus on the common things they have with Christianity (geez I was naive). It took a long while and so many lessons from personal experience before I finally had to accept the horrible truth.
 
I’m accepting it as their opinion, whether informed or misinformed, my muslim friends have never made an attempt to convert me and most are glad that there are still faithful Christians. I cannot accept that every muslim out there is out to get us. Likewise i cannot accept previous comments that multiculturalism is a bad idea. But this thread asked for opinions on the building of a mosque, my opinion is that, if the church being demolished is unused, go ahead and build a mosque. Christians should respect everyone, regardless of religion. ‘‘Love they enemy and pray for those that persecute you’’ anyone?
 
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I’m accepting it as their opinion, whether informed or misinformed, my muslim friends have never made an attempt to convert me and most are glad that there are still faithful Christians. I cannot accept that every muslim out there is out to get us. Likewise i cannot accept previous comments that multiculturalism is a bad idea. But this thread asked for opinions on the building of a mosque, my opinion is that, if the church being demolished is unused, go ahead and build a mosque. Christians should respect everyone, regardless of religion. ‘‘Love they enemy and pray for those that persecute you’’ anyone?
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You are very young and have a lot to learn. I just hope you don’t have to learn it the hard way!
 
Please, dont mistake what I’m saying as arrogance, but i cant agree with these ideas. I’m not a whiny middle class liberal white who wants to ‘‘connect with the ethnics’’ but i would bet money (if i believed in gambling) that i know more muslims than most of you people combined, some may be lying, but most of the musims ive asked have never heard of taqqyah, or anything like that. I regularly train with muslims, in their house, very religious, leave at certain hours to pray. Not once have they ever tried to convert me, in fact its only when i question the muslims i know that they’ll actually say anything about their religion.
 
LDNCatholic said:
Please, dont mistake what I’m saying as arrogance, but i cant agree with these ideas. I’m not a whiny middle class liberal white who wants to ‘‘connect with the ethnics’’ but i would bet money (if i believed in gambling) that i know more muslims than most of you people combined, some may be lying, but most of the musims ive asked have never heard of taqqyah, or anything like that. I regularly train with muslims, in their house, very religious, leave at certain hours to pray. Not once have they ever tried to convert me, in fact its only when i question the muslims i know that they’ll actually say anything about their religion.
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I live in Brooklyn with many Muslims, they are kind, and carry themselves in a very good fashion, and are very family oriented. I’ve had zero problems with my Muslim neighbors. My Greek Orthodox neighbors can’t stand me but that’s another story.

Most people who go on and on about Muslims probably never met one. I’ve been all throughout the Middle East, and currently live in an area of Brooklyn easily 50/50 Muslim/Christian with zero problems.

People need to give it a rest, Muslims are not going tomake us their dhimmi’s. If they’re converting a lot of people in Europe it’s because Europe is completely godless and gave up on Christianity a long time ago. Muslims have converted a lot of people in Europe the past 50 years, all without firing a shot.

Again if Christianity is true you have nothing to fear, where is your faith?
 
See now what Saint_Michael said makes sense to me. I believe that people, by their very nature, in their hearts, seek God. If the society they see around them is Godless they will cling to the next society that reveres Him. Unfortunately Europe has no religion now and Islam is filling that void.
 
LDNCatholic said:
See now that makes sense to me. People, by their very nature, in their hearts, seek God. If the society they see around them is Godless they will cling to the next society that reveres Him. Unfortunately Europe has no religion now and Islam is filling that void.
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Exactly! Personally I would rather have a Europe full of faithful Muslims than secular, moral relativists.

Islam is filling the void. WWII, the sexual revolution, the priesthood scandal, divorece, attacks on the family, and an increasing push by the liberal left to accept any and all forms of debauchery has left Christian Europe in shambles. Islam’s respect for God can’t be denied, people yearn for that even if everything in their society seems to say otherwise.

The real issue here is people are afraid of Islam beating them. But again that is the attitude fo the faithless IMO.
 
Saint_Michael said:
Exactly! Personally I would rather have a Europe full of faithful Muslims than secular, moral relativists.
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I humbly disagree. I feel that both are ultimately detrimental to Europe and the world as a whole.

An issue I have with Islam is that there is no Islamic Magisterium per se. Any half-cocked cleric, Imam, can teach what ever version of Islam that they see fit. If they want to teach and stress the more violent portions of the Islamic faith, you get nuts running around with bombs strapped to their chest. If you get reasonable teachers of their faith you get folks like those who live by St. Michael. You just don’t know.

The other issue with the Muslim faith, in my opinion, is that the more reasonable Muslims will not reign in their violent brothers in faith. They tend to sit on their hands instead of taking a stand.
 
LDNCatholic said:
See now what Saint_Michael said makes sense to me. I believe that people, by their very nature, in their hearts, seek God. If the society they see around them is Godless they will cling to the next society that reveres Him. Unfortunately Europe has no religion now and Islam is filling that void.
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That is the other thing. I am so amazed how successful Muslims have been, in getting everyone else to judge a book by its cover…

"Islam means ‘peace’ (false, btw) so it must be a peaceful religion!"

“Muslims (claim to) serve the God of Abraham! What could you possibly have against Islam?”

And so it goes. I could put some stones in the oven and call them biscuits, but nobody would be fooled. Yet I don’t see how this is much different. This is exactly why Jesus said to judge a tree by its fruits. Again, I urge everyone here to read the Quran yourself if you ever get the chance. Don’t just take my word for it!!
 
jburgherr said:
Actually, Islam means ‘Submission’…And that speaks volumes!!!
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I know… a lot of them try to claim to naive westerners that it means “peace”. Apparently it works as I keep hearing this attempted again and again. It’s gotten so bad I think some of the less knowledgable Muslims have actually started to believe it themselves!
 
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