Mega Mosque in London

[Muslim]

oh no big bad muslims are taking over a white country by building a place to worship.

when england is a christian only nation then you can compare saudi arabia to england.

 

[Caesar]

Whats a mosque doing in the Olympic village?

 

[exoflare]

oh no big bad muslims are taking over a white country by building a place to worship.

You’re comparing apples to oranges here. What does being a “white country” have anything to do with it?

 

[exoflare]

when england is a christian only nation then you can compare saudi arabia to england.

Are you tacitly admitting Saudi Arabia is such a bad place after all?

 

[Rodrigo_Bivar]

Please, dont mistake what I’m saying as arrogance, but i cant agree with these ideas. I’m not a whiny middle class liberal white who wants to ‘‘connect with the ethnics’’ but i would bet money (if i believed in gambling) that i know more muslims than most of you people combined, some may be lying, but most of the musims ive asked have never heard of taqqyah, or anything like that. I regularly train with muslims, in their house, very religious, leave at certain hours to pray. Not once have they ever tried to convert me, in fact its only when i question the muslims i know that they’ll actually say anything about their religion.

Why don’t you ask your Muslim friends here and let’s see how much knowledge of Islam they really have? You’d be surprised - how little they know.

 

[Axion]

Already been said, doesn’t work like that. Or aren’t we open to freedom of religion anymore?

It needs to work like that.

There has to be reciprocity, Christians must have the right to settle, worship freely, convert and build churches in Muslim lands, or they shouldn’t be allowed to do the same here. Otherwise it is just a one-way ratchet with Christianity being persecuted and driven out of Moslem lands, and Muslims slowly colonising the west.

In 1900 there were six million Christians in modern day Turkey, now there are about 6,000 permanent Christian residents.

In 1950 there were over 2 Million Christians in Algeria. Now there are barely two thousand, and most of those afraid to enter a church. This is happening all over the Muslim world, and in Europe Muslim populations are burgeoning into the Millions.

 

[Axion]

I live in Brooklyn with many Muslims, they are kind, and carry themselves in a very good fashion, and are very family oriented. I’ve had zero problems with my Muslim neighbors. My Greek Orthodox neighbors can’t stand me but that’s another story.

This is not the question. No doubt there were very kind and pleasant Aztecs, and if you shared a neighbourhood with them, you would have got on well. That doesn’t mean that their religion wasn’t poison.

Most people who go on and on about Muslims probably never met one. I’ve been all throughout the Middle East, and currently live in an area of Brooklyn easily 50/50 Muslim/Christian with zero problems.

I’ve met Muslims. I’ve met very nice Muslims. But the point is it isn’t the individual Muslim, it’s the religion and what it does. The Religion is based on world domination and the subjection of other religions to Islam. Islam demands Sharia law to be practiced in fullness. That law applies to everyone, Muslim and non-Muslim and places non-Muslims in a second class role.

People need to give it a rest, Muslims are not going tomake us their dhimmi’s. If they’re converting a lot of people in Europe it’s because Europe is completely godless and gave up on Christianity a long time ago. Muslims have converted a lot of people in Europe the past 50 years, all without firing a shot.

Exactly. And how many Muslims have been converted to Christianity? Very few. For then shots do get fired. In most Muslim countries conversion is illegal and punishable by death. Muslims will gladly accept our “foolishness” in allowing them to walk in and take over without opposition. They will smile and accept our “freedom of religion” as long as it works for them. They demand freedom to worship, and expand, but deny it to others in their own lands.

All over the world, once Muslims get into a majority in any region trouble results. Look at the Phillipines, Thailand, Indonesia, timor, Sudan, India, Kashmir, Nigeria, Ivory Coast, Kosovo, Chechnya, Azerbaijan, Lebanon etc. etc. etc. All areas where Muslims use violence against other religions in order to set up Islamic statelets.

Until islam is forced to look hard at itself and get rid of its supremacis and violent tendencies, we have to be on guard against it.

Again if Christianity is true you have nothing to fear, where is your faith?

Our faith has to go into action, not sitting back and letting Christianity be erased - which is the ultimate goal of Islam.

 

[ssejllenrad]

All over the world, once Muslims get into a majority in any region trouble results. Look at the Phillipines, Thailand, Indonesia, timor, Sudan, India, Kashmir, Nigeria, Ivory Coast, Kosovo, Chechnya, Azerbaijan, Lebanon etc. etc. etc. All areas where Muslims use violence against other religions in order to set up Islamic statelets.

I agree! I live in the Philippines and I know, despite being friends to some muslims, that troubles, especially in the southern parts, are due to muslim rebellion.

Until islam is forced to look hard at itself and get rid of its supremacis and violent tendencies, we have to be on guard against it.
Our faith has to go into action, not sitting back and letting Christianity be erased - which is the ultimate goal of Islam.

What action do you suggest?

 

[Saint_Michael]

Everyone calling for Islam to be banned in the west, or going nuts over the building of a mosque are paranoid.

Look if Christianity is true what do you have to fear? Christ said not to be of this world. Europe has the Gospel of Christ, they willfully rejected, Europe is completely secular and as Godless as communist Russia, if they convert to Islam then so be it, no matter of griping is going to stop that.

What it boils down to is people are afraid, afraid of what’s different, afraid of losing power. It’s no diffeernt then when Catholics came here and were abused by Protestants afraid of losing their power grip of the United States. They spread falsehoods that we serve the Pope and are infiltrating the US for the Pope and all manner of nonsense.

Stop being such a bunh of scared babies, Islam isn’t going anywhere. We better learn to live with them in peace.

Reciprocity? You act like Europe is Christian? There’s nothing Christian about Europe, it’s Godless. Saudi Arabia and Muslim lands are brutal to Christians, I have faith in God that it will work out in the long run.

 

[Rodrigo_Bivar]

Why is it always us who have to compromise and ‘learn to live in peace’ with totalitarian fascist regimes who are out to destroy us? Haven’t we learnt that appeasement never works? It hadn’t worked in the past and it won’t work now and in the future.

I don’t see why Muslims should need to build a mega-mosque in London, and I don’t care if they build a couple of small ones in Brixton.

 

[Rodrigo_Bivar]

So now building a mosque in London is a denial of basic human rights for all people?

This isn’t just any mosque - it’s a mega mosques capable of accomodating 70,000 people. Compare that to Liverpool Cathedral, the largest church in England, which can only accomodate 3,000.

This will only create a parallel society and entrench a separateness between Muslims and their non-Muslim hosts. Why is it always Islam that has to be so ‘in your face’?

 

[ssejllenrad]

Why would they place a mosque in a place where they should demolish a church in able to construct it?

 

[Wolseley]

Europe, and England especially, are on the road to Islamic rule, mainly because the kids coming up now have been so indoctrinated with the Unholy Trinity of Multiculturalism, Diversity, and Tolerance that they don’t see anything in their country or their religion worth fighting for. A couple of quotes that prove the point:

LDNCatholic:

I don’t care what the majority religion in this country is. If Islam comes to rule, so be it…

I openly admit I’m not patriotic to England. I was born here…but i wouldn’t die for England.

And this apathy and ambivalence applies to the cultural icons of Christianity and even to the Faith itself:

if the church is unused it doesn’t need to be there. Let the government do what they will with it, its just a building.

Europe has no religion now and Islam is filling that void.

“It’s just a building”, indeed. St. Paul’s cathedral, Westminster Abby, Cologne cathedral, Notre Dame, even St. Peter’s basilica itself, are all “just buildings”, after all. Some of them have been there a long time—there are European cathedrals that date back to the 12th century.

Will the Muslims strip them of all vestiges of Christianity and turn them into mosques or warehouses or latrines, do you suppose, or will they just blow them up, a la the Taliban and the Afghan stone Buddhas?

 

[StMarkEofE]

This isn’t just any mosque - it’s a mega mosques capable of accomodating 70,000 people. Compare that to Liverpool Cathedral, the largest church in England, which can only accomodate 3,000.

This will only create a parallel society and entrench a separateness between Muslims and their non-Muslim hosts. Why is it always Islam that has to be so ‘in your face’?

Well it obvious that the Muslims feel that they can fill this new Mosque. Thats more that I can say for contemporary Christian attendances. What Christians need to do is get off this abortion kick, have more kids, build more religious institutions and maybe they will match or exceed the growth rates of the Muslims in their midsts.

Gross secularism has become the god of many modern couples whose only wants in life is a second or third car, 1.2 children, bigger house, both working, keeping child care centers in business, long luxurious vacations, two or three homes, etc. These are the gods of the new secular west.

Until the Muslims start imitating the western seculars I dont see any improvements in the mainly white western societies.

 

[Saint_Michael]

Well it obvious that the Muslims feel that they can fill this new Mosque. Thats more that I can say for contemporary Christian attendances. What Christians need to do is get off this abortion kick, have more kids, build more religious institutions and maybe they will match or exceed the growth rates of the Muslims in their midsts.

Gross secularism has become the god of many modern couples whose only wants in life is a second or third car, 1.2 children, bigger house, both working, keeping child care centers in business, long luxurious vacations, two or three homes, etc. These are the gods of the new secular west.

Until the Muslims start imitating the western seculars I dont see any improvements in the mainly white western societies.

I agree 100% with you, Christians should be looking inward as to why Muslims feel they need a mosque that fits 70,000 yet that 3,000 person Cathedral is probably 90% empty every Sunday.

It’s time to look inward people instead of blaming Muslims.

Fact is the people converting in Europe are doing so gladly, not by force. They see a fervent faith and dedication to God that has been abandoned by Christians in Europe in lieu of their own desires.

Europe has rejected the Gospel and is ripe for the pickens for Islam, and we have no one to blame but ourselves.

 

[Booklover]

I agree 100% with you, Christians should be looking inward as to why Muslims feel they need a mosque that fits 70,000 yet that 3,000 person Cathedral is probably 90% empty every Sunday.

It’s time to look inward people instead of blaming Muslims.

Why don’t you practice what you preach, instead of whining that your daughter won’t have a chance in our society!

]Fact is the people converting in Europe are doing so gladly, not by force. They see a fervent faith and dedication to God that has been abandoned by Christians in Europe in lieu of their own desires.

Please give us those “facts”!

Oh yes, a “fervent faith and dedication to God” that calls for the annihilation of anyone who does not accept their fanatical, intolerant view!

Europe has rejected the Gospel and is ripe for the pickens for Islam, and we have no one to blame but ourselves.

I’m so tired of so-called “Catholics” who are nothing more than apologists for Islam!

 

[Saint_Michael]

I’m so tired of so-called “Catholics” who are nothing more than apologists for Islam!

I’m so tired of “Catholics” who assail other religions and spread lies like “that calls for the annihilation of anyone who does not accept their fanatical, intolerant view!”. That’s a gross mischaraterization of the entire Islamic faith. And no different than what Jack Chick does to Catholics.

edited on my own.

Like I say to everyone put me on ignore guy if my opinion bothers you, don’t waste your breath being uncharitable and nasty. I suspect it’s really because every word I’ve spoken in this thread is true it chaffs your bottom to hear, so you pout like child and take it out on me.

What, Europe is completely apostate and rejected the Gospel? You don’t agree with that? Islam is spreading like wildfire in Europe not by the sword? You don’t believe that?

I say look inward it’s our own fault, and you have a problem with that? No I spoke the truth you have a problem with the truth. Europe traded Christ’s Gospel for their own greedy desires and they are reaping what they’ve sown.

 

[Saint_Michael]

Why don’t you practice what you preach, instead of whining that your daughter won’t have a chance in our society! :

That doesn’t even make sense I didn’t blame Muslims for our perverted society when I said my daughter didn’t stand a chance, in fact I praised the way Muslims in the West maintain chastity and family tightness in the indulgent west.

 

[Booklover]

I’m so tired of “Catholics” who assail other religions and spread lies like “that calls for the annihilation of anyone who does not accept their fanatical, intolerant view!”. That’s a gross mischaraterization of the entire Islamic faith. And no different than what Jack Chick does to Catholics.

edited on my own.

Like I say to everyone put me ignore guy if my opinion bothers you, don’t waste your breath being uncharitable and nasty. I suspect it’s really because every word I’ve spoken in this thread is true it chaffs your bottom to hear, so you pout like child and take it out on me.

What Europe is completely apostate and rejected the Gospel? You dont’ agree with that? Islam is spreading like wildfire in Europe not by the sword? You don’t believe that?

I say look inward it’s our own fault, and you have a problem with that? No I spoke the truth you have a problem with the truth. Europe traded Christ’s Gospel for their own greedy desires.

The truth hurts, doesn’t it? Maybe what I said got to you too! Talk is cheap and actions speak louder than words!

You’re even beginning to sound just like Pro!

 

[Saint_Michael]

The truth hurts, doesn’t it? Maybe what I said got to you too! Talk is cheap and actions speak louder than words!

You’re even beginning to sound just like Pro!

I don’t hate Muslim’s sue me, I thought as Christians we weren’t supposed to, but I guess I missed in my catechism class where I’m supposed to hate, despise, and spread falsehoods about my neighbor and those that persecute me. Maybe you should start your own church?

Uhhhh welcome to my ignore list, unlike pro I won’t sit around arguing just for the sake of doing it.