Mega Mosque in London

[Booklover]

=Saint_Michael;1546062]I don’t hate Muslim’s sue me, I thought as Christians we weren’t supposed to, but I guess I missed in my catechism class where I’m supposed to hate, despise, and spread falsehoods about my neighbor and those that persecute me. Maybe you should start your own church?

Yes, you’re on my ignore list too! You don’t even sound reasonable anymore and are starting to make totally ridiculous statements! Get real! :whacky:

Uhhhh welcome to my ignore list, unlike pro I won’t sit around arguing just for the sake of doing it.

Touche!

 

[LDNCatholic]

I’m sorry, before I even continue, someone please enlighten me, what is the defnition of multiculturalism?

 

[Rodrigo_Bivar]

Multiculturalism is a two way street. Respect has to go both ways - I don’t think the mega mosque is respectful. I don’t care about Muslims building normal sized mosques in their communities but I do object to this ‘in your face’ attitude. I take the mega mosque to be just one of their steps in turning Britain into an Islamic state. If I wanted huge mosques with loud-speaker equipped minarets I’d visit Cairo. The world’s biggest mosque is in Morocco and that’s just fine there.

It is not multiculturalism that has failed - it is Islam. I don’t see the Jews and Hindus and Buddhists clamoring to build the biggest synagogue or temple in London - only the Muslims. I wouldn’t object to Muslims building 10 normal sized mosques but not such a landmark building - with which I think they’re making a statement here.

It is not the Jamaicans who cause problems. It is not the Chinese who cause problems. Heck, it’s not the Hindu Indians who cause problems - so where’s the racism? It’s always the adherents of the ‘religion of peace’ who cause problems.

This is not an isolated incident - all these ugly people demonstrating on the streets, chanting ‘death to this and death to that’, ‘Islam will rule the world’, ‘Islam is the future of Britain’ just does not sit right with me.

Why is it I have to put up with all these Islamism? Do you see Hindus demonstrating in London, burning effigies, and shouting hate? Okay, so we do see some Hare Krishnas, but they’re pretty harmless.

There are appropriateness to everything - I certainly think a mega mosque is not appropriate for the character of London and Britain. It’s not yet Londonistan and Britainistan.

 

[LDNCatholic]

Actually London is home to the largest Hindu mandir and Sikh gurdwara outside of India. I think as one of the most ethnically diverse places on Earth it is a wonderful thing to see, and I do see them, nearly on a daily basis. I understand your points but I do not see myself as at war with Islam or Muslims, and I think it would be incredibly ignorant of me to condone mandirs and gurdwaras while getting up in arms about a mosque, however big. To reiterate, less than 20 years ago, my family was the threat, we were subject to constant scrutiny because we were Irish Catholics, the Muslims are the new Irish.

 

[Rodrigo_Bivar]

The Shri Swaminarayan Mandir is in the outskirts of London. It was not built by knocking down a church asaik. It accomodates 3000 people. The mega mosque would be 20 times its size. Hindus do not rampage and demonstrate at the drop of a hat. There is no comparison.

 

[BrickCityIrish]

It is not the Jamaicans who cause problems. It is not the Chinese who cause problems. Heck,** it’s not the Hindu Indians** who cause problems - so where’s the racism? It’s always the adherents of the ‘religion of peace’ who cause problems…

Sure about that?

hrw.org/english/docs/1999/09/30/india1626.htm

holocaustinkashmir.50megs.com/ka04005.html

sscnet.ucla.edu/southasia/History/Current_Affairs/Current_affairs.html

CA Radio did a few shows on it, fact is Hindu violence against Christians is very well documented, and very common in India. Start looking at some news feeds other than CNN or BBC.

 

[BrickCityIrish]

The Shri Swaminarayan Mandir is in the outskirts of London. It was not built by knocking down a church asaik. It accomodates 3000 people. The mega mosque would be 20 times its size. Hindus do not rampage and demonstrate at the drop of a hat. There is no comparison.

Hindu’s despise Christians, they murder priests and burn churches and oppress Christians all throughout India, much worse than most Muslim nations. Christianity lifts the dalits (untouchables) out of the caste system (slavery), and the Hindu’s can’t stand that. There have been many a Hindu rampage.

 

[Rodrigo_Bivar]

Sure about that?

hrw.org/english/docs/1999/09/30/india1626.htm

holocaustinkashmir.50megs.com/ka04005.html

sscnet.ucla.edu/southasia/History/Current_Affairs/Current_affairs.html

CA Radio did a few shows on it, fact is Hindu violence against Christians is very well documented, and very common in India. Start looking at some news feeds other than CNN or BBC.

This is not what I’m referring to. As far as I’m aware of, the Hindus aren’t trying to make Britain a Hindu state. Intercommunal violence and crime occurs with every immigrant peoples. The Italians have their mafia problems. The Chinese have their triad problems. I’m sure the Jamaicans have their gang problems as well. What I don’t like is the ‘special pleading’ of the Muslims while they try to make Britain into Britainistan.

PS: I think the Hindu violence against Christian missionaries in India is a separate issue and for you to bring this up is a tu quoque.

 

[Rodrigo_Bivar]

Hindu’s despise Christians, they murder priests and burn churches and oppress Christians all throughout India, much worse than most Muslim nations. Christianity lifts the dalits (untouchables) out of the caste system (slavery), and the Hindu’s can’t stand that. There have been many a Hindu rampage.

1. Tu quoque to you too.
2. This is not happening in Britainistan. I don’t care if Hindu thugs do that in India - it’s an Indian matter, not a Britishitan matter.
3. How does a 3000 seat Hindu mandir even begin to compare with a 70,000 seat mosque? Perspective please.

 

[Rodrigo_Bivar]

My apologies,

Apparently, in response to my claim that Muslims are causing trouble in Britain, BrickCityIrish went and tu quoqued against Hindu Indians causing trouble against Christian missionaries in India. In India. You read me right. India.

Hey, different country bud. There is crime everywhere but as long as the Hindu Indians don’t agitate to make Britain into a Hindu state and cause problems because of it, I don’t care. Muslims are causing problems in Britain, while they are ungrateful immigrants, and agitating to make Britain into Britainistan. I object to that, strangely enough. I don’t know about you, being not Christian, but turn the other cheek doesn’t work as far as the rapacious Muslims are concerned. History shows that Islam makes a very evil master and I don’t want my children to grow up in dhimmitude. I object. I object. I object.

 

[Saint_Michael]

My apologies,

Apparently, in response to my claim that Muslims are causing trouble in Britain, BrickCityIrish went and tu quoqued against Hindu Indians causing trouble against Christian missionaries in India. In India. You read me right. India.

Hey, different country bud. There is crime everywhere but as long as the Hindu Indians don’t agitate to make Britain into a Hindu state and cause problems because of it, I don’t care. Muslims are causing problems in Britain, while they are ungrateful immigrants, and agitating to make Britain into Britainistan. I object to that, strangely enough. I don’t know about you, being not Christian, but turn the other cheek doesn’t work as far as the rapacious Muslims are concerned. History shows that Islam makes a very evil master and I don’t want my children to grow up in dhimmitude. I object. I object. I object.

My apologies, I didn’t realize you were just an ignorant xenophobe midrant. If you’re a Christian, then no I guess I’m not. To be honest you may not care about Christians being tortured and persecuted in India but I do. In fact I care more about that than Muslims living peacefully in Britain.

Continue with your fearful faithless rant…

 

[BrickCityIrish]

My apologies,

Apparently, in response to my claim that Muslims are causing trouble in Britain, BrickCityIrish went and tu quoqued against Hindu Indians causing trouble against Christian missionaries in India. In India. You read me right. India.

Hey, different country bud. There is crime everywhere but as long as the Hindu Indians don’t agitate to make Britain into a Hindu state and cause problems because of it, I don’t care. Muslims are causing problems in Britain, while they are ungrateful immigrants, and agitating to make Britain into Britainistan. I object to that, strangely enough. I don’t know about you, being not Christian, but turn the other cheek doesn’t work as far as the rapacious Muslims are concerned. History shows that Islam makes a very evil master and I don’t want my children to grow up in dhimmitude. I object. I object. I object.

My apologies, I didn’t realize you were just an ignorant xenophobe caught midrant. If you’re a Christian, then no I guess I’m not. To be honest you may not care about Christians being tortured and persecuted in India but I do. In fact I care more about that than Muslims living peacefully in Britain.

Continue with your fearful faithless rant…

 

[Axion]

I don’t hate Muslim’s sue me, I thought as Christians we weren’t supposed to, but I guess I missed in my catechism class where I’m supposed to hate, despise, and spread falsehoods about my neighbor and those that persecute me. Maybe you should start your own church?

Uhhhh welcome to my ignore list, unlike pro I won’t sit around arguing just for the sake of doing it.

This is a straw man and a dishonest argument.

What most people here are saying is not that we should hate Muslims but that we must demand **reciprocity **and respect from them.

In other words we should not permit them to come to Christian lands to convert, build churches and demand their practices be adopted, when they refuse Christians the same things in Muslim lands.

As far as Muslim behaviour in other lands is clear, we cand see that they ALWAYS demand to establish Muslim rule and Sharia Law in any land where they become a majority - or even large minority. We have seen this and the resultant wars all over the world.

Phillipines
Thailand
Nigeria
Upper Volta
Yugoslavia
Rissia
Kashmir

 

[prv]

It needs to work like that.

There has to be reciprocity, Christians must have the right to settle, worship freely, convert and build churches in Muslim lands, or they shouldn’t be allowed to do the same here. Otherwise it is just a one-way ratchet with Christianity being persecuted and driven out of Moslem lands, and Muslims slowly colonising the west.

In 1900 there were six million Christians in modern day Turkey, now there are about 6,000 permanent Christian residents.

In 1950 there were over 2 Million Christians in Algeria. Now there are barely two thousand, and most of those afraid to enter a church. This is happening all over the Muslim world, and in Europe Muslim populations are burgeoning into the Millions.

No, I don’t agree with reciprocity—we need to do good even if they return us evil (that is, grant religious freedom), or else we are no better than them.

 

[prv]

Well, I think we’re wasting our time here! LDN Catholic is only 18 and obviously a product of the terrible multicultural society that proclaims that all forms of governments are the same and all religions likewise! They see no reason to fight for their freedoms or anything else. I suppose to people who think that way there is no difference, for example between Europeans, head hunters or cannibals! They’re all the same!

He’s already been brainwashed into thinking that Muslims pray for the unbelievers and like them! What naivete! He doesn’t even care if Muslims take over England! He doesn’t even realize that if the satanic cult of Islam takes over, freedom will end. He even subscribes to the notion that it’s only a “minority” of Muslims that are doing bad things! Say goodbye to music, and theaters, sports like cricket and so on! Then you’ll be able to enjoy real blood sports like stoning adulterers to death, cutting the hands of thieves’ and other wonderful pastimes as those and once again heads will roll and will be displayed on pikes! Think of the fun!

Where multiculturalism breeds, there is no longer any patriotism!

Do not ignore LDN Catholic simply b/c he/she is “only” 18. I know some people younger than me (I am 23 as of last week) who seem to have more wisdom than all of us on this Forum combined…and then, in order to look for people my age or older who seem to lack wisdom, all you have to do is look in the police reports of the local newspaper, or even yet, all you have to do is look at this weeks shootings in PA (shooting young people for a 2 decade old grudge!!!). Anyway, not to derail this discussion any longer, it’s time to get back to the original discussion.

 

[BrickCityIrish]

No, I don’t agree with reciprocity—we need to do good even if they return us evil (that is, grant religious freedom), or else we are no better than them.

Yup love those that despise you, that’s the Christian way. You have great faith. You are right on, you exemplify a great Christian attitude.

 

[Rodrigo_Bivar]

brickcityirish:

My apologies, I didn’t realize you were just an ignorant xenophobe caught midrant. If you’re a Christian, then no I guess I’m not. To be honest you may not care about Christians being tortured and persecuted in India but I do. In fact I care more about that than Muslims living peacefully in Britain.

Continue with your fearful faithless rant…

I point out your use of tu quoque I’m an ignorant xenophobe.

I don’t hate Muslims, just Islam but I’m an ignorant xenophobe.

I have Muslim friends and relatives whom I love but I’m an ignorant xenophobe. How do you think I know more about Islam than the average Muslim?

I don’t disagree with mosques in London - just a super-sized uber ‘in your face’ 20 times bigger than any Cathedral mosque, I’m an ignorant xenophobe.

I am pretty easy about Hindus and their religious practises because they don’t cause any problems in my country, but I’m an ignorant xenophobe.

Besides, are you saying that we should be okay with Islamists taking over our country because some Hindus killed some Christian missionaries in India? What’s the connection?

 

[LDNCatholic]

No, I don’t agree with reciprocity—we need to do good even if they return us evil (that is, grant religious freedom), or else we are no better than them.

Exactly, and thank you for not dismissing me based on my age.

 

[THEKING]

No, I don’t agree with reciprocity—we need to do good even if they return us evil (that is, grant religious freedom), or else we are no better than them.

as i read the whole thread, it seems there are 2 views; the majority against, few with. I think one needs to see the countries in which Christians became minorities and assess.

 

[undeserving]

Sure about that?

hrw.org/english/docs/1999/09/30/india1626.htm

holocaustinkashmir.50megs.com/ka04005.html

sscnet.ucla.edu/southasia/History/Current_Affairs/Current_affairs.html

CA Radio did a few shows on it, fact is Hindu violence against Christians is very well documented, and very common in India. Start looking at some news feeds other than CNN or BBC.

NOT TRUE.
I am a catholic who lives in India, my best friends are Hindus. The violence when it occurs is rare and committed by a bunch of loony fundamentalist organisations not main stream Hindus.