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dcmac
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Mel did attest to his loyalty to the current pope during his interviews on EWTN with Raymond Arroyo’s show “The World Over”. Mel is not an SV. He simply follows the ancient rite of St. Pius V.
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sonnydaniels
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I understand what you are saying, but please keep in mind…he incurred a lot of risk, both financially and reputation wise when making this film. Everyone told him that it would bomb at the theaters, and he would have to eat every dollar he put into it…plus he would not be asked to star in another movie ever again. History has proven otherwise…yet I admire the man for taking the huge risk he has taken in making the movie. It made me a stronger Christian…just like it did for others. That is admirable.
I don’t know what his exact stance is on the Church and the Pope…all I know is that I believe the Pope to be infallible…to think otherwise, goes against the teachings of the Catholic Church.
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I don’t know what his exact stance is on the Church and the Pope…all I know is that I believe the Pope to be infallible…to think otherwise, goes against the teachings of the Catholic Church.
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redkim
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yeah, sonny:
Who knew that a movie filmed in two dead languages with subtitles would be such a success ? :dancing:
Who knew that a movie filmed in two dead languages with subtitles would be such a success ? :dancing:
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dream_wanderer
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I think I remember an interview (The one with Diane Sawyer maybe) where he stated his preference for the Latin Mass and he said something along the lines of “Its ok that we do that’ or 'its acceptable that we can do this” or something along the lines that it was a licit Catholic practise that he Pope had given his approval to. I remember thinking if he didn’t think the Pope was the Pope…would he care if it were licit or not? I’m sorry I’m not making myself clear…I wish I could find the interview and that quote!
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BobCatholic
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I know Mel is a traditionalist, however whether he is schismatic (SSPX, or SSPV) is questionable at best. I have watched one interview, where he stated his Catholic views, and he didn’t come off to me as a schismatic (SSPV or SSPX) type. He believes JP2 to be a valid Pope. He doesn’t call the Pope a heretic. AFAIK, he is faithful to the magisterium.
However, I read somewhere he is building a church where the TLM is celebrated. I’m not sure about if this is being done with the bishop’s approval and where the priests for this special church to come from (if they’re from the FSSP, OK.), so I’ll give him the benefit of the doubt.
Look, if anyone is going to post anything negative about Mel, please post PROOF. He’s doing a lot to promote the faith, and cutting him down (with false or unverifiable information) doesn’t help us one bit.
However, I read somewhere he is building a church where the TLM is celebrated. I’m not sure about if this is being done with the bishop’s approval and where the priests for this special church to come from (if they’re from the FSSP, OK.), so I’ll give him the benefit of the doubt.
Look, if anyone is going to post anything negative about Mel, please post PROOF. He’s doing a lot to promote the faith, and cutting him down (with false or unverifiable information) doesn’t help us one bit.
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Paul_W
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In hindsight, it was a profitable deal. But at the time he wrote the check for $30,000,000 it was a matter of religious conviction. He was willing to lose his entire investment for the sake of sharing his Faith.
The fact that Our Lord rewarded Mel’s Faith, doesn’t make his Faith any less important. Do we downplay Abraham’s Faith because he never really had to kill his son?
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dream_wanderer
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Oh dear. I’m going to be guilty of one of those "I heard’ things that I just posted against…
but I did hear that Mel is building a private family chapel and not a church. I don’t know if that makes a difference or not. I know that families in the past (and may in the present…I have no idea) had their own private chapels and it was prefectly ok.dream wanderer
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OhioBob
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dream wanderer:
Regardless, Mel seems pretty Catholic to me
and I am certainly in no position to judge his piety or his orthodoxy.
Blessings.
I’ll do the hearsay thing as well and say that I also heard it is a private chapel. He has a priest come and offer Mass there. I don’t know what kind of priest it is, but I “heard” it was an SSPX priest. But don’t quote me.Oh dear. I’m going to be guilty of one of those "I heard’ things that I just posted against…
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Regardless, Mel seems pretty Catholic to me
and I am certainly in no position to judge his piety or his orthodoxy.Blessings.
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RBushlow
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I saw an interview with him. He fully acknowledges the authority of the Pope and his local Bishop. Just because you don’t agree with him, is no reason to malign him, it is a SIN to do so.
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Paul_W
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This is a discussion group, not a gossip-spreading service.
When you know what you’re talking about, THEN post. Because someone else will also say they heard several people say (blah blah blah) and pretty soon your gossip becomes “fact.”
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OhioBob
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Paul W:
On a thread like this, unless Mel drops by and posts for himself, everyone will be posting what they have heard from other sources or opinions that they deduced on their own. None of us are out to bash Mel. Heck, maybe the boy should be canonized.
Lighten up, buddy. :tiphat:
I do know what I am talking about. I am talking about what I heard in interviews and other boards and I said so. I don’t know Mel, so I don’t know whether what I am talking about is factual or not. Since I fully disclosed my post as heresay and unsubstantiated, I am comfortable with my place in the universe.
On a thread like this, unless Mel drops by and posts for himself, everyone will be posting what they have heard from other sources or opinions that they deduced on their own. None of us are out to bash Mel. Heck, maybe the boy should be canonized.
Lighten up, buddy. :tiphat:
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Paul_W
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Except those (I won’t name names, but have you looked in mirror lately?) who say they’re not sure, but they heard someone else say that he might be a member of a heretical group.
It may not be “bashing,” but it’s at least gossip, perhaps slander, and definitely sinful.
If you can cite a particular interview, or reference a direct quotation, then your comments are relevant. If you’re so unsure of your sources that you have to add a disclaimer, why not, in Christian charity, wait until you have some facts before posting an opinion?
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OhioBob
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Paul W:
Hey, I was defending Mel’s Catholicity, not attempting to besmirch his reputation.
If you were referring to the SSPX reference, while they seem to be considered schismatic (although I have heard - there’s that word again
- that Rome has explored some possibilities for reconciliation), I don’t know that that makes them heretical. Maybe I am incorrect in considering heresy and schism to be different animals.
That being said, I agree that I probably should have kept my mouth shut. Mea culpa, Mel.
Blessings.
I try not to look in the mirror. I frighten easily.
Hey, I was defending Mel’s Catholicity, not attempting to besmirch his reputation.
If you were referring to the SSPX reference, while they seem to be considered schismatic (although I have heard - there’s that word again
- that Rome has explored some possibilities for reconciliation), I don’t know that that makes them heretical. Maybe I am incorrect in considering heresy and schism to be different animals.That being said, I agree that I probably should have kept my mouth shut. Mea culpa, Mel.
Blessings.
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ppolz
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Thats what ive heard. Thank God for Mel and his Passion !**
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Friar_David_O.Carm
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Well now, its Mel’s Passion? I though it was Christ.
As I said, I have no reason to doubt the man but I have heard somethings he has said in interviews that make me wonder.
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deogratias
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Mel Gibson is not a sedevacant - his father is.
Mel Gibson is not an SSPX.
Mel Gibson is a traditional Catholic who attends Tridentine Mass and is faithful to the Pope and has had several audiences with him.
The press has maligned him confusing him with his father, and confusing the SSPX TLM with other TLM’s.
Many reliable Catholic sources and magazines and EWTN have intereviewed him and attest to this fact.
Mel Gibson is not an SSPX.
Mel Gibson is a traditional Catholic who attends Tridentine Mass and is faithful to the Pope and has had several audiences with him.
The press has maligned him confusing him with his father, and confusing the SSPX TLM with other TLM’s.
Many reliable Catholic sources and magazines and EWTN have intereviewed him and attest to this fact.
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Scholastic
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I hear Mel Gibson say in his interview with Diane Sawyer(or whoever it was) that he is a catholic like they were up until 1959. The only significant thing that happened around that year is the election of John XXIII in late 1958, so it seems that he buys into the conspiracy theories about John XXIII to have been invalidly elected, or forfeiting his papacy by being a heretic. So it seems that Mel Gibson is a sede vacantist schismatic.
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deogratias
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Well it appears that this is a subject that cannot be resolved and all of our answers really amount to speculation so why continue to discuss it?
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