Mel Gibson - Divorce?

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Call me all the names you want - I stand by my previous comment:

Since when is it EVER appropriate to discuss the private and inner workings of anyone’s marriage on a public forum? I don’t care if they are public people, they deserve privacy at this time in their lives, not a bunch of arm chair voyeurs speculating about who was more Catholic, or who drank too much. I think it is appalling and totally inappropriate to be discussing anyone’s marriage situation in this way. It frankly is none of our business.

~Liza
 
My opinion of the whole thing??? THEIR business
Now y’all stop your fighting!

Kathy
 
Call me all the names you want - I stand by my previous comment:

Since when is it EVER appropriate to discuss the private and inner workings of anyone’s marriage on a public forum? I don’t care if they are public people, they deserve privacy at this time in their lives, not a bunch of arm chair voyeurs speculating about who was more Catholic, or who drank too much. I think it is appalling and totally inappropriate to be discussing anyone’s marriage situation in this way. It frankly is none of our business.

~Liza
So, why did you read the thread, you keep reading the thread and you keep posting? Not trying to be rude or mean, but if you really don’t like this type of thread, why read it. Just skip it and move on. Plenty of other things to read!

I feel badly for them. I hate to see any marriage come to an end.
 
Tiptoeing in… I agree with Lizaanne…this is a Popular Media forum. We can discuss the body of Mel Gibson’s work etc.

But it shouldn’t be a gossip forum, especially on a Catholic Website.

Tiptoeing away…👋
 
As someone who has gone through a divorce, I would caution everyone to avoid speculation and just let the matter be a private one. We will never know what goes on behind the closed door of a relationship.

It is painful for all involved - so let’s all exercise the grace God has granted us and let the Gibsons live.
 
Tiptoeing in… I agree with Lizaanne…this is a Popular Media forum. We can discuss the body of Mel Gibson’s work etc.

But it shouldn’t be a gossip forum, especially on a Catholic Website.

Tiptoeing away…👋
When the divorce filing is reported widely in the media… we shouldn’t discuss it on the Popular Media forum? :confused:

It’s not like any of us staked out the courthouse waiting to find juicy stories. This appeared on news websites… reputable and otherwise.

So, which media are we allowed to discuss, and which not? Got a list?
 
We shouldn’t be judgemental of MG. We don’t know if he has confessed his sins. Even if he hasn’t, we shouldn’t be throwing stones at him. If we are truly honest with ourselves, I** think a lot of us may have driven drunk at one point or another and/or had racist comments/thoughts in their backgrounds.** We are called to love everyone, even sinners.
well…those aren’t my sins…but i get your point.

you wouldn’t like me if you knew what my sins were.
 
This is great. After this can we gossip about the lady down the road? She’s getting a divorce and I think she already has another fella.

Brian
 
My opinion of the whole thing??? THEIR business
Now y’all stop your fighting!

Kathy
Agreed. I only just read about this in the Boston Herald, so I’m figuring this news has a factual basis to it. Whatever the circumstances are, they’re none of my business, as it’s something for Mel and Mrs. Mel to come to an amicable resolution, whatever that may be. But I’ll be praying for them, that they come to a good resolution.
 
Like someone else said…“there but for the grace of God go I”

Kathy
 
Confession does not remove the temporal consequences of sin, like running off one’s spouse because she is too hurt to take anymore.

With all due respect, anyone can edit Wikipedia… it’s as good as a gossip site, too.
Okay, I know you’re banned, but I’m just going to clarify. MG’s article is currently blocked from being edited by anonymous users. And to anyone else who wants to post unverified “facts” about people’s personal lives, if even Wikipedia can provide sources, so can you.
 
To be fair to them both Mel Gibson has Bipolar ( manic depressive) disorder which makes people extremely hard to live with.
That on its own, without the drinking problem and fame leads many people to divorce much sooner than 28 years. So i think they did pretty well to say together as long as they did.
Bipolar tends to get more and more severe as the person ages and they can be a danger to themselves and others.
 
hmmmmm? Maybe I should come back when I can learn something more constructive on my first day!😦
 
  1. Several people presume Robyn Gibson is Catholic. Others express shock at the notion she isn’t. One person pointed out (correctly) that she’s Episcopalian.
  2. In every interview I’ve ever heard in which he talks about his beliefs and his family, he has pointed out that his wife is not Catholic. “I love her dearly, but the fact is she’s going to Hell.” While he may be right, I can’t imagine being married to someone who thought that of me (that’s why mixed marriages don’t work). I’m honestly surprised she hasn’t left him years ago, for that reason alone.
  3. I read somewhere a while back about how he had bought the mansion a couple doors down from his house, and people were wondering why. They were speculating that, as his eldest children are adults, he was trying to buy up the neighborhood to keep the family together. It was probably to give his wife a separate residence.
  4. As for any other “causes” of the divorce, we don’t know. Mel Gibson made a good movie. He’s a rarity in Hollywood for being outspoken about his faith, and being a RadTrad to boot, but he’s also expressed some very incorrect viewpoints. He has kept his life mostly shrouded, and people have basically read into him what they want. He’s had the opportunity to be for Catholic causes what so many celebrities are for other causes. Jim Caviezel, for example, has done active campaigning for pro-life and stuff. But has Mel Gibson ever done so? No.
A few months ago, I posted on my blog about a conundrum: when Mel Gibson made the “Passion” and Arnold Schwarzeneggar ran for governor, I started watching all their movies. While there are certainly some clear themes in the movies Mel Gibson has done more recently, most of his early films are merely empty action flicks. Schwarzeneggar’s movies are, ironically, far more likely to contain Catholic and pro-life subtext than Gibson’s.

So, he’s a guy who’s made some good movies, and who is kind of an oddity for his traditional religious views. He’s apparently helped some of his fellow celebrity friends, like Robert Downey, Jr.,–with their drug and legal problems. He provides a kind of an oasis for traditional Catholics living in Mahonyville.

But other than that, we don’t know much about his personal life. He hasn’t used his celebrity status to promote Catholic causes other than the Traditional Latin Mass. Lives an opulent lifestyle, and he drinks. There are many non-Catholic celebrities whom I admire much more for their abiliities to live relatively simply and to keep their families out of the limelight.

Divorce is a horrible tragedy. We cannot know what was going on behind the scenes, one way or the other, unless it’s publicized.

But this really shouldn’t scandalize anyone, because their marriage is mostly private, anyway. The Macfarlane divorce was much more scandalous, because Bud Macfarlane had made a career out of saying, “I have this great Catholic marriage, and you should do what we do, because we do everything right.” A guy’s giving the keynote address at Seton Home Study School’s convention one year, then accusing his wife of neglect for homeschooling the next.

Mel Gibson has never made any such example of his marriage, other than his seven kids. In fact, he has always been upfront about his problems with drinking and drugs, and about how is faith is so important to him precisely because he struggles with serious psychological problems and serious sins. We know his wife isn’t Catholic and doesn’t agree with many of his views. So they have never really put themselves on the pillar that others have put them on, and it’s unfair now to say that they’ve somehow tarnished their reputation.
 
sad really, I don’t really know whats up with them , but this can happen to anyone:(
 
I’m not into gossip, but when I read about the supposed impending divorce on our national newspaper site, I got straight onto this site cos I felt like I just had to make a comment where someone understood that I wasn’t just gossiping IYKWIM!

You see, the breakdown of any marriage is sad but there are some marriages which are kind of lighthouse marriages for the rerst of us to have a look at when ours goes through rough patches. I’m blessed to have parents, grandparents and in-laws whose marriages stood the test of time and survived “until death do us part”, but where do our young people get their models from ?

The Gibson’s marriage,whether they like it or not, has been a kind of beacon shining out for many of us through the years. So far, DH and I have only scraped through 14 yrs and we think that’s been really tough at times - 28 years is wonderful! On the other hand, when a marriage fails after so long, we say “Oh, no - I thought the worst was over - if their marriage can fail, how do I know mine won’t?” and it’s really depressing! All of us with fairly sound marriages know how shifting the sand beneath us seems to be in this day and age.

I’m not judging the Gibsons at all - I guess I’m merely echoing the “There, but for the grace of God” comment. I did say a prayer for them as soon as I read the article and I would so like to write a letter to them both, thanking them for the marvellous example they have set for all of us who’ve seen one of the rare lasting Hollywood marriages as an example in our own lives. I pray for them.
 
I am quite offended by what you said! This was not meant to be a tsk tsk tsk, shame-shame statement until you colored it that way. If admin want to take it down, then they will, but if all of this reconciles within the coming days, it will be in your prayer forum, the news forum, traditional catholicism, water cooler, etc… Real life stories are formed so that we can put ourselves in someone else’s shoes and be empathetic, not gossips! I think that is an accessment on how you read into things.
yeah, I agree. it’s pretty hard to tell what a person’s motive is on the i-net.

:confused:
 
I’ve been trying to restrain myself from commenting, but I truly believe his continued apsotacy is at the root of this downward spiral. He needs our prayers more than ever, because his soul seems to be imperiled. He did a great work in producing “The Passion”, but the spiritual warfare doesn’t end there. And being outside the Church is like walking onto a battlefield completely unarmed, when Satan has a score to settle. May God lead him back to Rome…

abcnews.go.com/Entertainment/CelebrityCafe/story?id=7346649&page=1
**Mel Gibson: Philandering Fundamentalist? **
Mel Gibson’s Alleged Infidelity Doesn’t Seem to Mesh With His Staunch Catholicism
By SHEILA MARIKAR
April 16, 2009 —
Apparently, there are multiple Mel Gibsons.
There’s the actor-producer-director, whose wife of 28 years filed for divorce Monday, who was spotted frolicking with a blonde woman on his $26 million Costa Rican ranch Tuesday, who may or may not be engaged in an affair with a Russian musician.

Then there’s the traditionalist Catholic who funneled $42 million into building Malibu’s Church of the Holy Family, who has talked extensively about his belief in pre-Vatican II values, who, during his 2006 DUI arrest, famously ranted, “Jews are responsible for all the wars in the world.”

Both are back in the spotlight after his wife Robyn Gibson’s divorce filing.

While it’s unclear if possible infidelity on the 53-year-old actor’s part led to her decision to end their marriage, recent photographs of Gibson with women in Boston and Costa Rica, and reports that he engaged in a relationship with Russian singer Oksana Pochepa have fueled speculation that he wasn’t faithful.

Gibson’s publicist declined to comment on reports of the actor’s alleged romantic affairs Wednesday.

The image of Gibson as a possible lothario stands in stark contrast to the church founder. Gibson created the A.P. Reilly Foundation in 1999 to fund the creation of his church, which a decade later still remains under construction on a 16-acre property in the mountains northwest of Los Angeles.

The Church of the Holy Family believes in the pre-Vatican II form of Catholicism. It has not been recognized by the Los Angeles Diocese.

The traditionalist form of Catholicism the church preaches grew out of the split within the Catholic Church following the passage of Vatican II in the 1960s, which attempted to modernize the church by doing away with mass in Latin and reconciling with the Jews.

Some notable traditionalists have been accused of anti-Semitism. They include the Rev. Stephen Somerville, who was Gibson’s spiritual adviser during the filming of “The Passion of the Christ.” Somerville, according to Southern Poverty Law Center, was suspended by the Vatican in 2004 for his divisive preaching. Gibson’s father, Hutton, who is also a traditionalist, has publicly expressed doubts that 6 million Jews were really murdered in the Holocaust.

“These people see themselves as an enclave of Catholic purity amongst a church that has become too liberal and a culture that rejects God’s word,” said Stephen Kent, professor of new and alternative religions at the University of Alberta.
Divorce Contrary to Gibson’s Catholicism
That means the Church of the Holy Family only conducts masses in Latin. Women are required to wear skirts or dresses to church and keep their heads covered. And divorce, as in most sects of Catholicism, is looked down upon.

“Divorce is a huge break with the faith,” said Christopher Noxon, who visited and reported on Gibson’s church for the New York Times magazine in 2003. “The intactness of the family and the sanctity of marriage are values that traditionalists hold most dear. I can’t imagine that anyone in the traditionalist world is looking very favorably on Mel right now.”

Noxon described the Church of the Holy Family’s “small congregation” as a “weird mix of Malibu celebrity hangers-on and east San Fernando Valley, very white, very conservative Catholics.”

He speculated that news of Gibson’s potential divorce would cast doubt on his faith among other traditionalists.

“There are plenty of traditionalists who never trusted him to begin with, and for them, they’ll probably look at the divorce as further evidence that he’s just a Hollywood nihilist and not really one of them,” Noxon said.

Gibson’s soon-to-be ex-wife does not share his Catholic beliefs, though their seven children are part of the church, according to Noxon. In 2004, the actor told Australia’s Herald Sun that, because she’s not a traditionalist Catholic, Robyn Gibson is probably going to hell.

“There is no salvation for those outside the church,” Gibson said. “I believe it. … Put it this way: My wife is a saint. She’s a much better person than I am. Honestly. She’s, like, Episcopalian, Church of England. She prays, she believes in God, she knows Jesus, she believes in that stuff. And it’s just not fair if she doesn’t make it. She’s better than I am. But that is a pronouncement from the chair. I go with it.”
 
Prayers for Mel. There is something about the pendalum swinging to the extreme one way and to the extreme the other direction before finding balance.
 
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